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Are you suggesting he would have videotaped his own criminal activity? Actually some of these women were message therapists he contacted while he was on the road. Whether they cam to his hotel or he went to them I have no idea.

FIFY

And before you pound the 22 women drum again. It is one attorney that looks like he is on a fishing expedition and may have convinced women they were assaulted and could get paid.

Or they could be telling the truth. But since nothing has been proven they are alleged actions he has been accused of.

Well in that case, that's exactly what we need then. A QB with 22 civil suits for sexual misconduct hanging over his head. That sounds like a brilliant business move.

I didn’t suggest that at all.

I pointed it out because this isn’t a massage parlor situation. You have randoms linking up with Watson, either at home or in a hotel, for a massage.

Again, I have made it clear he’s a creep. But being a creep isn’t illegal.

If he's more qualified than every other "applicant" and already been found not guilty of anything criminal, it'd be irresponsible not to consider him from a business standpoint, and Haslam belongs to the business world and Berry is an Econ guy.

I could very well see how Berry could see the black cloud of the civil cases being a market inefficiency to exploit.

How else would you have a chance to acquire a legitimate franchise QB in his prime?

It comes down to how they truly feel about Baker (and Watson), what they know and whether or not they believe Watson, and (sadly) how much he's going to cost.

I'm sure they'd have a plan to rehabilitate his image. If they win with him, they'd likely pick up more than enough bandwagon fans to offset the losses. Plus, a fair number of those currently outraged would probably come back.

It's time to go get Deshaun Watson. Let's get it done. Mary Kay seems to be all in.


The Browns are still exploring a trade for Deshaun Watson, and will have to offer multiple first-round picks, Baker Mayfield and maybe other players
Updated: Mar. 13, 2022, 5:30 p.m. | Published: Mar. 13, 2022, 2:41 p.m.
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Baker Mayfield greets Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson following a game in 2018.
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By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns, who have been doing their due diligence on Deshaun Watson for months, continue to explore a trade for the controversial quarterback, sources tell cleveland.com, but must be prepared to surrender multiple first-round picks, Baker Mayfield and possibly other players.

With a grand jury deciding on Friday not indict Watson on criminal charges in connection with accusations from 22 massage therapists who accuse him of sexual assault and harassment, the Browns have moved forward with their possible strong pursuit of the quarterback they passed on in the 2017 draft. That year, they traded down from No. 12 with the Texans and enabled them to draft him there.


The Browns are still conducting their own thorough investigation into Watson and the allegations, and must not only be comfortable with what they find but also confident that no such accusations will be made in the future.

They must also receive the green light from Browns ownership, who would have to be prepared for the enormous backlash that will accompany such a move.

The Browns would have to put a strong support program in place for Watson, which would have to include working with women’s groups, undergoing counseling and making restitution.

But it wouldn’t be the first time they took a chance on a player with a past, including Kareem Hunt, who was captured on video kicking a woman in the hallway of his downtown Cleveland apartment building. The Browns have helped rehabilitate Hunt and he’s become a positive influence who gives back to the community. He’s still a work in progress, but they’ve surrounded him with a robust and multi-pronged support system and he’s turned himself around.


They gave defensive tackle Malik McDowell a second chance last season despite his criminal past, and he went off the rails after the season when he stepped outside of the Browns’ support structure. The Browns were hopeful they had not only found a tremendous talent, but also changed a life. They are still involved in McDowell’s care and are hopeful he can get well.

It would be the same for Watson, who still has civil suits pending and will likely be suspended by the NFL for the first part of the season under the personal conduct policy. The Browns would have to set forth a comprehensive plan and implement a zero-tolerance policy. It’s not an easy decision, and one they’re taking very seriously.

If they decide to seriously pursue a trade — and they seem to be leaning that way — they’ll have to act fast and come big with an offer to the Texans that will include multiple first-round picks and most likely Mayfield.

They’ll also have to sell Watson — who has a no-trade clause in his contract — on the notion that they’re an elite quarterback away from winning a Super Bowl. They can point to the championship-caliber defense, running game and offensive line.


They strengthened their case considerably Saturday by trading with Dallas for four-time Pro Bowl receiver Amari Cooper, who will make any quarterback look good, let alone one of the best in the NFL.

They’re also trying to keep Jarvis Landry by lowering his $16.379 cap hit, while also granting him permission to seek a trade. If he knows Watson might be coming and Cooper is here, he might want to stay.

The Browns will also continue to add to the receiving pile either in free agency or the draft. It’s a deep class, and even without a first-round pick, they could land a good one in the second or third round.

Their trade offer will obviously have to include Mayfield, who wouldn’t be sticking around with Watson here. But unlike some of the other teams interested in Watson, the Browns have a starting-caliber quarterback to throw into the mix. The Browns, who would save Mayfield’s $18.86 million salary for 2022, might have to surrender other key players to pull it off, but if they really want to win a Super Bowl — and they do — they might have to acquiesce.


If the Texans don’t want Mayfield, the Browns would have to trade him elsewhere — and there would be suitors.

Another player who comes to mind in the trade package is two-time Pro Bowl cornerback Denzel Ward. There’s no way the Browns would want to part with their lockdown corner, but if the Texans insist and it gets the deal done, they shouldn’t rule it out.

The Browns have shown they can draft defenders, and they’d find a way to replace him, perhaps even in this draft. They’d also have another starting cornerback on a rookie contract in Greg Newsome II, and not for the $19 million a year Ward will get in his upcoming extension. As it is, he’s heading into his fifth-year option year at $13.294 million.

New Texans coach Lovie Smith is a defensive coach, and might see the wisdom in such a move. With Watson averaging $39 million a year through 2025 and Myles Garrett’s big cap hits kicking in for 2023, the Browns will need to save some pennies somewhere. Watson — who’s five months younger than Mayfield and will turn 27 in September — also has an out in his contract after 2023, with only $5.4 million in dead cap space thereafter.


According to NFL Network, the Saints and Panthers have already made offers for Watson, and other teams are willing to give up the three first-round picks the Texans are seeking. Watson also plans to meet with any potential suitors before making a decision.

If the Browns bring him in for a visit — and the chances are increasingly likely — they should have Cooper, Nick Chubb and Garrett greet him at the door. There aren’t many teams with the resources and roster of the Browns, and it makes for a tantalizing presentation.

The Browns passed on the player Clemson coach Dabo Swinney called “Michael Jordan’' in 2017, and now they have a second chance to land him.

It’s a bold and controversial move, but one they just might find worth making.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...er-mayfield-and-maybe-other-players.html

If you pay someone to give you oral sex it's not prostitution?

She also quit working with him... these are her texts.. She later backtracked and said they were taken out of context.





A whole lotta "goofy" going on with this story.

My understanding of a lot of the Watson complaints is that he was not going to a rub n tug parlor, he was exposing himself and pressuring and manipulating/coercing them into a situation where they did what they did. That is not what Patriots owner did at all.

Civil suits are far less of a concern that criminal complaints.


To be fair I think the cost of getting him is too high, especially with the distractions around him regardless of how those play out.

Have you ever posted a reply to someone without being snarky?

Maybe this sounds cold but as long as he can get it done on the field, most people won't care what he did as long as it wasn't terrorism or murder.

At this time he is still considered innocent becaue he has not been charged with a crime and found guilty. Innocent UNTIL proven guilty. Not guilty until proven innocent by the court of public opinion. That is the difference. At this time the grand jury said there was not enough evidence to proceed to a trail. Thus DeShaum Watson is still an innocent man and should be treated as such. If he was convicted and found guilty then and only then he would be considered a criminal found guilty of a crime. Public opinion does not get to decide guilt or innocence only a jury of his peers in a trial. Right now this man does not even face a criminal trial.

I think he did once back when we were still on the Browns website.

Well, no Watson to the bucs.

Now would be a good time to dump the Watson trade news.

so its now seahawks, saints, browns?

It matters. The Texans don't have to trade him.

depends on if you are married to them or not

carolina and saints

Kirk staying with the Vikings. That was a possible destination for Watson.

He blocked Carolina before right? What changed since then?

Neither do I, but my feeling is Watson wasn't heading out to the Oriental Spa, out by the truck stop at exit 234.

Again, just a guess.

All this chatter about Watson and Browns being pursuers. This would be a great time to come out and extend Baker. Take all the pressure off him. Give him guaranteed money to lower the cap hit this year to sign another WR or another FA or even Jarvis if we want.

We could have no QB soon if we don't get Watson. Whom I don't want anyway. Give Mayfield all the confidence in the world. If the rumors are true or not. Extend Baker.

(I know it's not going to happen)

But where do we go from here....? no Watson, and tell Baker "oh, we were close to getting a guy we really wanted but now we're stuck with you so please be good."

Being innocent and being found not guilty are not the same thing.

This projected trade was from CBS Sports-Are they out of their minds

Projected offer: 2022 first-round pick (No. 13), 2023 first-round pick, 2022 second-round pick, 2023 second-round pick, 2022 sixth-round pick, QB Baker Mayfield, RB Kareem Hunt, TE David Njoku

Unlike the Seahawks with Drew Lock, the Texans would at least be getting a proven serviceable starter at QB in Mayfield, who may or may not warrant a long-term deal but is still just 26 himself. Hunt plays a replaceable role but is also 26 with Pro Bowl flashes at a position of need, while Njoku, 25, is a prime candidate to be moved under the franchise tag.

Yes it is. You are innocent until proven guilty. That is our law and rights as a citizen.

Seems like a recurring situation since the "99" return

Innocent means that you didn't do anything wrong.
Not guilty means. it cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you did.
Not the same thing.

And sit on a treasure trove of assets?

But they kind of do need to trade him. They paid him to not play last year, and I'm pretty sure he asked for the trade then. What makes anyone think he will play for them now after he was benched for the year? I wonder if that was a year against his contract, or since he didn't play at all, if his contract extends a year? I mean he was paid, so it should count, right?

No kidding... Texans are trading him... Watson has a no trade clause so he gets a big say in where he goes... I guarantee you the only thing not happening is Watson staying in Houston unless DeShaun has a dramatic change of heart...

Some millennials and gen Zs think oral/anal are not sex at all. At least it doesn't count against their chastity vows. Heard kids talking about it and thought it was nuts.

Pretty sure it counted since he was paid... he's got two more years on his contract, I believe, before he could walk... so yes... they are trading him... no way they don't....

I fully expect it to take 3 first rounders plus more

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Being accused and being guilty aren't the same thing, either.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged." Especially if you don't have all the facts. My .02. *shrug*