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We had a POTUS that wanted us to believe that.

The more I think about it. The more I wonder if we're just a stalking horse to drive up the price of Watson.

I could see Berry being content helping to make whoever ends up with Watson hamstring themselves by giving away as many prime picks and players as possible. I don't think anyone's worried about the Texans being able to use the picks well.

Alternatively, if we are actually interested in Watson at all I'd try to string them along until the draft. See if a player we covet is available at our pick or not. It would also allow more clarity on the civil cases.

If someone throws a ridiculous deal at the Texans now, I'm fine riding with 6.

IT started well and by 7 minutes it turned to absolute poop..

This thread reminds me of...

Let them have DW. No way I'm giving up 3 first-rounders plus assets. Just no way....

It’s pretty rough given the circumstances. If there were no off the field issues I’d give up more than that.

I don't know how good a fit New Orleans would actually be. They could be losing their LT in free agency. Michael Thomas went on IR in 2020 and didn't play at all in 2021. Alvin Kamara has legal trouble from the fiasco in Las Vegas while there for the Pro Bowl. They gave Taysom Hill that rather strange contract where they're on the hook for 19M this season and potentially a lot more if he's playing QB, which is more likely if Watson is there and suspended. Sean Payton is gone. They've already done a bunch of contract restructuring.

Maybe we'd be able to pry a DE away from them if they need to make cap room for Watson. I remember liking Davenport when he was coming out.

Is that you Mike Ditka?

Mike Ditka gave up his whole draft for the second best running back in the draft. Not quite the same. I get the joke though.

I long for the censorship days of 1980s television, if it were up to me, I'd delete the entire topic.
Since the start I've kind of had a hunch that Watson was guilty of making angry the wrong billionaire.

Is there an Echo in here? Lol

Would Kevin Stefanski's (no throw) offense ruin DeShaun Watson if he came to Cleveland?

I think it is a legit question to answer.

I'm pretty sure people have been making weird assertions about "kids these days" since time immemorial.

By every quantitative metric -- teen sex is way down since when you were a teenager:


https://ifstudies.org/blog/fewer-american-high-schoolers-having-sex-than-ever-before

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/

Great Question.......

If they don't get their price, or at least close.

I don't know for sure. I would think it probably counts. If Watson decides to sit out, then it doesn't.

In your opinion. There is nothing to keep the court of public opinion from finding a person guilty, but that carries no legal weight. You might feel that he is guilty, but you don't know that he is guilty.

I myself am glad we live in a country where proof is needed to find people guilty over having public opinion polls to determine their fate.

If it was determined in that manner, way more innocent people would be found guilty and way more guilty people would be deemed not guilty, or deemed innocent if you will.

I think President Clinton went down that road.

Interesting. Seemed like he was on the "to Carolina" boat.

And in the end, I don't think we will knowing how much our FO values draft picks.

can someone explain to me why carolina would be a front runner?

remember, the texans dont have to trade him, and Watson doesnt can say no regardless. also, he already declined Carolina last season. Carolina tried to trade for watson when there was NOTHING cleared up, but he declined it.

what circumstances in carolina changed that makes the destination more attractive to watson now than last season?

Maybe he is at the point where he knows he needs to play if he is to attain any goals he may have?

Maybe he's got a bet and he's trying to will it to happen?

Can someone start a Derek Carr thread?

I believe if we make a move at QB it will be him. It just makes too much sense. Hoodie Jr. loves Baker. It was reported the Patriots wanted to trade up for him in the draft.

And Carr would fit what we want to do, and is essentially a Kirk Cousins type. Plus as a little added bonus he's already played with Cooper. Chemistry is there.

Josh needs his QB. And he's not afraid to make a splash. Baker is the perfect guy for him. And I would imagine we were good with Baker until McDaniels came along and asked us about him. He's pushing us to trade him. And perhaps the media heard we were in heavy talks for a QB and assumed it was Watson...


This is all my speculation of course.

could be. when i look at the panthers, they dont really have much to offer the texans. so even if he wants to go to carolina, the texans have to agree to the trade first.

According to Spotrac, Watson will not be an UFA until 2026 which means he has 4-years left on his deal 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. Other notes: Watson's contract is fully guaranteed for 2022 (35M salary and 5.4M signing bonus that Houston is responsible for.) Houston is also responsible for the signing bonuses of 5.4M in 2023 and 2024. The Browns minimal commitment if trading for Watson would be: 2022 - 35M, 2023 - 37M, 2024 - 32M and 2025 - 32M with no dead cap any year after 2023. 2022 has a Roster Bonus of $17M for 2023 (guarantees 3/20/2022, due the 5th league day of 2023). IMHO, the Texans will trade Watson before 3/20/2022 so as to pass that roster bonus to the acquiring team.

It could be a myriad of reasons. I added my comment because he recently double-downed on it being Carolina over the weekend only to change his tune rather quickly. And I think it is worthwhile because Allbright is usually spot-on when it comes to his information, which is a primary reason why I don't think Cleveland is a front runner for Watson. My guess is new info from sources changed his opinion-- happens all the time, obviously.

Saints are the trending favorites. I wonder if Sean Payton wishes he would have stayed now?

Of course, they’re going to give up a lot to acquire him

At the end of the day, I do not think Watson will end up here. The price tag may just end up being too much. Watson will go somewhere and I suspect he will raise that team to another level.

The question is what conversations will we be having in February about our QB position.

The interesting thing in all of this, at least to me, isn't really the compensation teams will offer. It's the decision of where Watson wants to go. He holds all, or at least the majority, of the leverage and not the Texans playing teams off of one another. Now, the team Watson chooses to go to, they will have to offer a significant package but it's not a trade market in the truest sense of the term, IMO.

Out of the mentioned teams, I think the Browns have the best team to win now. However, if I'm Watson, playing in the NFC verses the AFC, seems like a more palatable route to make it to a Superbowl at this time. However, Brady coming back might have made that more difficult, which ironically enough, is in the same division as both the Saints and Panthers-- the two alleged front runners.

The dumb thing about it is that the Texans are probably in the easiest division in the AFC and sure you have quarterbacks to deal with in the playoffs, but at the moment the quarterbacks in the AFC south are beatable. The Texans botched this majorly and could have had a nice run with Watt, Hopkins, Watson, etc. The best place for Watson is Houston.

Seems clear OBJ has been talking to Watson and advising him where to (and not to) go.

And yet for some inexplicable reason, the Saints own Brady.

we couldn't be that lucky

I don't want to sound like an arbiter of this thread, but IMO, this post is the closest of yours to reality.

Another poster before this post mentioned that they wanted to look at a Watson trade without the cloud of the ethics... but you can't yet. The truth is his civil lawsuits are still pending, and the bar is much lower. This means there will absolutely be movement on those fronts. He'll have to defend himself, which means sordid details will leak out. If we're going to jump to any conclusions, I think the most reasonable one is that Watson is probably a giant creep. If he actually did anything wrong is another argument but, at the very least, you don't generate this much smoke without at least being a giant creep.