If there was a way to guarantee the nukes don't fly, I'd been for a joint allied invasion and toppling of Putin. But with nukes in the scenario and Putin looking desperate, I want no part of our troops fighting over there. So as painful as it is to do little to nothing for Ukraine, it beats the potential alternative. I'd be much sadder trying to survive nuclear winter.
Russia under false pretense and without just cause has invaded the sovereign nation of Ukraine. Its presence has cause death to its civilians, mass destruction of Ukraine's cities and displacement of its citizens at an unprecedented scale. Russia should immediately withdraw its military forces as they are not welcomed or wanted. Russia's presence in Ukraine is a menace to Ukraine and the world. Failure to do so shall result in the eradication of the Russian forces from Ukraine territories by any means possible. Russia should return its forces to its native land and compensate Ukraine for the damage that it has unjustly inflicted.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!…. That did not age well.
look guys, i know we've all taken shots at each other. but right now we need to come together as Browns fans. i say we all fly to israel, politely invite ourselves onto a yacht owned by a russian oligarch, and sail that boy into the atlantic. we get far enough, maybe the authorities dont even bother to stop us, and now we got a yacht to chill in lake Erie on gamedays!
The reality is we can't afford that yacht, even if was at no cost and we pooled all of resources. Start with paying a crew of 20, and think about fuel.
They play in a different league.
Insurance on the thing probably runs 200K a year with a big deductible to boot.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Insurance on the thing probably runs 200K a year with a big deductible to boot.
Still way short - hard to figure out exact prices when you get to the top of the upper eschelon - but insurance usually is about 1% - so about $6M/year
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
I don't understand why we keep asking these unsavory countries for more oil. Why can't we just ask Canada? I know the pipeline is not finished, but that's irrelevant. My understanding is they are delivering oil by tanker truck. So just get more trucks. Or put it on a train.
Hey Swish, what will 200 Million get them? Doesn't sound like much.
depends on the equipment. if we're talking from a defensive strategy, than 100 million in weapons is a nice boost. the kind of equipment will be key. you can get quality AA weapons in bulk for the cheap. combine that with ammo and rifles, and they're good. hopefully the equipment will be IBAs or IOTVs (body armor with plates), night vision, comms, etc. but that's a good chunk of cash for the ukrainian military.
we have to remember that 200 million doesn't sound like much from our perspective. but 200 million in ukraine/EE might as well mean the military won the lottery.
With the understanding that we're NOT sending them planes, tanks and such, I would imagine this could be a pretty sizable contribution, but I'm not current on the going rate for a Javelin. dawglover?
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by Swish
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Hey Swish, what will 200 Million get them? Doesn't sound like much.
depends on the equipment. if we're talking from a defensive strategy, than 100 million in weapons is a nice boost. the kind of equipment will be key. you can get quality AA weapons in bulk for the cheap. combine that with ammo and rifles, and they're good. hopefully the equipment will be IBAs or IOTVs (body armor with plates), night vision, comms, etc. but that's a good chunk of cash for the ukrainian military.
we have to remember that 200 million doesn't sound like much from our perspective. but 200 million in ukraine/EE might as well mean the military won the lottery.
With the understanding that we're NOT sending them planes, tanks and such, I would imagine this could be a pretty sizable contribution, but I'm not current on the going rate for a Javelin. dawglover?
Yeah $200M for a force of their size is pretty good, especially if they already have a lot of launchers and need the ballistics now. We don’t want to give them heavy equipment (ground at least) because it would play into Russia’s strengths. They need to take more of a Vietcong approach. It’s good asymmetry for them too to fire off a missile worth a few grand to destroy a tank that’s worth millions, although, in Russia’s case, the tanks I’m seeing maybe aren’t the most expensive.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
If there was a way to guarantee the nukes don't fly, I'd been for a joint allied invasion and toppling of Putin. But with nukes in the scenario and Putin looking desperate, I want no part of our troops fighting over there. So as painful as it is to do little to nothing for Ukraine, it beats the potential alternative. I'd be much sadder trying to survive nuclear winter.
I can’t remember where I read the theory, but I saw something like how he feels a huge sense of urgency to win at all costs, not only for his ego, but that he understands Russia’s poor history of defeatism leading to regime change pretty soon thereafter. I guess the people of Russia don’t like a loser.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The more info like this leaks out, the more it appears that Russia has been projecting a photoshopped image of their military competence and prowess for decades.
How do you not have this ground-level infrastructure on-hand and at the ready? WTF?
Arms/munitions such as these are supposed to still be the heart & soul/DNA of militaries built on WWII/Cold War models, am I right? So why is Putin running to Xi, hat in hand- for everyday gear any competent 1st-World military power would have stockpiled, with layers of redundancy?
Guess: Russia has never truly recovered to full health from the collapse of the CCCP. Their fragile military infrastructure could have remained gutted for decades, and no one (save a handful of Putin's insiders) would ever been the wiser, had not Vlad pushed all his chips into the center of the table.
ShortSh!t got waaaay out over his skis, this time. These people punched the playground bully back... in front of the entire school. And it landed just like Mike Tyson said it might: "Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
And now, ShortSh!t Playground Bully is calling on backup, from some other school district. Because he can't handle the schoolyard he sought to bully.
Damn. Dude's asking Xi for ground-level s#. That is scary telling.
As for Putin: I wonder how much ground-level s# would be currently available to his military if he hadn't spent the last 30 years transferring their funds into private jets and megayachts for him and his fellow mobsters.
Chickens can scatter far afield... but they always come home to roost-
I think this speaks more to the fact of Putin's investment in "shiny new toys" at the peril of "workin' man's guide to warfare"... but great post (as usual) nonetheless.
Insurance on the thing probably runs 200K a year with a big deductible to boot.
Still way short - hard to figure out exact prices when you get to the top of the upper eschelon - but insurance usually is about 1% - so about $6M/year
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The beauty of money is it works for you, if you have enough. A $billion even at a 2% return nets you $20 mil a year interest. I suppose a person with billions can afford to staff it, insure it and dock it
It would be a interesting conversation..."Honey, things are getting a little tight. Maybe we need to dump the boat and save 60 mil a year?"
That said, those people face a whole new set of problem guys like us don't face. But hey, who's not willing to take those on?
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Insurance on the thing probably runs 200K a year with a big deductible to boot.
Still way short - hard to figure out exact prices when you get to the top of the upper eschelon - but insurance usually is about 1% - so about $6M/year
I'll get worried if Putin figures out he needs competent and committed personnel to handle said equipment. His tanks and stuff are a joke, but it's nowhere near his biggest problem.
"I'll take your word at face value. I have never met you but I assume you have a face..lol"
I'll get worried if Putin figures out he needs competent and committed personnel to handle said equipment. His tanks and stuff are a joke, but it's nowhere near his biggest problem.
Well, I guess it shows how socialism fails at everything. Now if he can't get his way, he can ruin it for everybody.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I think this speaks more to the fact of Putin's investment in "shiny new toys" at the peril of "workin' man's guide to warfare"... but great post (as usual) nonetheless.
On top of that, he’s started to roll out a few shiny toys that weren’t probably all that necessary, at least yet.
Problem with using stuff like this is that you need to quickly take over the territory that you’re shooting into. He’s using it kind of haphazardly to try and just level everything. That’ll leave plenty of these types of things lying around that I’m sure will make their way into our hands. In that event, something that they have probably been designing and testing in a vault over the years to be used against a more sophisticated military will probably be nullified by the time that would actually come to pass.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Russia under false pretense and without just cause has invaded the sovereign nation of Ukraine. Its presence has cause death to its civilians, mass destruction of Ukraine's cities and displacement of its citizens at an unprecedented scale. Russia should immediately withdraw its military forces as they are not welcomed or wanted. Russia's presence in Ukraine is a menace to Ukraine and the world. Failure to do so shall result in the eradication of the Russian forces from Ukraine territories by any means possible. Russia should return its forces to its native land and compensate Ukraine for the damage that it has unjustly inflicted.
And that sounds like a fine message. But is that a message you feel we should actually back up to enter a war against Russia in Ukraine when and if Russia doesn't comply? Because as of now we have given the appearance that we make a lot of threats but won't back them up. There was Obama's "line in the sand". Then there was Trump threatening Kim about testing missiles. Kim paused and then went right back to testing missiles while trump was still president and nothing happened. We said we would stand with the Kurds in Syria then deserted them. In all three cases we did a lot of saber rattling but refused to back it up.
Plus I think you must consider, much of the world will not go that far in threatening Russia. They won't commit to attacking Russia under almost any circumstances. So the idea of this being some global statement simply isn't going to happen.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I'll get worried if Putin figures out he needs competent and committed personnel to handle said equipment. His tanks and stuff are a joke, but it's nowhere near his biggest problem.
Well, I guess it shows how socialism fails at everything. Now if he can't get his way, he can ruin it for everybody.
Putin is not a socialist. He's what Trump was trying to be, a dictator. And a commie.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The right wing needs to seriously analyze who they get their news from. I mean I don't think any of the board's right wing posters are pro Putin like their media is. And I can't believe y'all want to be associated with this 5th column label, basically saying he is a saboteur and traitor. I don't care what you do, because I'm not watching him, but this Russia using him for propaganda like this should be a red flag.
The title of that video is super dramatic, but I think I agree with the premise. Ukraine is a 'look-in-the-mirror' moment for the US, NATO, EU.
As well as Ukraine is doing, Russia might be able to grind this out if it really wants to. Remember how we were losing our minds when the story was that Russia was going to walk all over the Ukraine military/country? It's going to be 10x worse if we sit back and watch them slowly fall.
"I'll take your word at face value. I have never met you but I assume you have a face..lol"
Just watched Zelensky’s address to Congress. Man, that really hit me deep. I typically can keep my emotions in check, but this is an area where I can’t help but really feel something.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
I definitely felt Zelensky address. So many different things going on right now that we can second guess any decision up to now.
China taking a step back from Russia wasn’t surprising but a bit unexpected. The fighting continues, but more and more Russian soldiers are going AWOL, forcing Putin to recruit middle eastern mercenaries.
Elon challenging Putin like this is a Highlander movie. The weirdo Muslim warlord in Russia talking trash while his soldiers get mopped up.
NATO supplying Ukraine fast as hell. Other countries wanting to join NATO and the EU.
But the fact that we have a bunch of dream killers on this board who don’t want to be pirates is the most complex scenario out there.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
But the fact that we have a bunch of dream killers on this board who don’t want to be pirates is the most complex scenario out there.
Dude.... you KNOW I'm in. Hell, just a few years back I was trying to score a PMC gig doing the anti-piracy work off Somalia (turns out, guys my age don't get looked at). I'd gladly just as soon go full pirate, lol
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Just watched Zelensky’s address to Congress. Man, that really hit me deep. I typically can keep my emotions in check, but this is an area where I can’t help but really feel something.
I hate to be callous, but if Putin is mostly shelling these cities (not using planes but missiles and artillery), then what does closing the airspace do other than expand the conflict beyond Ukraine's borders?
"I'll take your word at face value. I have never met you but I assume you have a face..lol"
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