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I agree. Watson may be able to void a trade on the back end, but Texas can void a trade on the front end. If the Browns offer wasn't good enough by the Texans standards, we wouldn't even be allowed in the building.

I guess this means that Watson did not say no to the Browns?

One thing is for sure that team building, creating a healthy and player friendly culture isn’t Andrew Berry’s strongest asset. Talk about lose and lose situation.

Either give up the next couple of years by trading two maybe three well established players and a multiple of first and second rounds picks or just end up with a total clusterfck. Take your pick.

Those aren't the only possible picks.

I worry more about the loss of picks. Until we know what we might lose if all of this goes down, there is no sense in taking a deep dive in to what that might mean to this team

How set are we at various positions for the next several years would be one of the issues to discuss.
I like picks as much as anyone, but if the roster is fairly stable, picks don't have to be used on college players.

We also have to take in to account Baker. How much would we want to pay v how much would he want? Or with all that has happened, would he even want to sign? He may decide to move on or be happy to play under a expensive franchise tag. Baker has moved on from college programs. I don't think it beyond his personality type to hold a grudge. He may have already told Berry that he won't sign with us unless it is the top dollar offer. He may have already said he is going to give a discount to some other team if our offer isn't far and above the best offer.

I like Baker, but I wouldn't put that past him.

man screw those picks. im tired of winning the draft every year. that hasnt done crap for this team since 99. if you have the opportunity to go get a certified franchise QB, you do it.

also, player friendly? you dont think browns players are gonna welcome Watson with open arms if he gets traded here? stop it.

Jarvis Landry 2020 (injury free) vs. Amari Cooper 2022. = I’m not so sure…

Baker Mayfield 2020 (injury free) vs. DeShaun Watson 2022 (22 lawsuits distraction, not playing for 21 months, not used to windy and cold weather) = Watson is a better QB but when we factor all the circumstances….

Kareem Hunt 2020 vs. D’Ernes J 2022 = Hunt hands down.

2022 and 2023 without multiple draft picks. I’m not so sure the Browns is taking such a a huge step forward with trading Watson and losing a couple of established players.

LeBron waited to make his "Decision" in that circus well after all the other free agents were signed. If he cared one bit about the fans he would have let Cleveland know he wasn't going to resign earlier so they could have tried to get someone to replace him. I see your point about Watson creating a circus, but his wasn't a planned event. Watson is a POS and I don't want him in Cleveland regardless of his talent. He and Lebron are birds of a feather, talented but despicable human beings IMHO. Yes, I'm still bitter about the "Decision".

Anyone got anything solid on a Cleveland meeting ? I am not seeing or hearing that. It's all Panthers, Saints.

More confirmation.

I wonder if the Browns and Watson's team had this planned days ago but just not confirmed by reporters or if this came about as a result of yesterday's meetings w/ the Saints and Panthers.

I think this is def. a possibility.

If Mayfield is so affected by this, then he's not the guy some think he is.

Maybe. But Baker is human just like the rest of us. The Browns said they were committed to him and that he would start the year at QB (which clearly was PR speak and they are looking to replace him) and they would need to sell the farm to get Watson, which they are willing to do.

I think that would affect most people in any industry. I don't think we should assume Baker, just because he is a QB in the NFL, means he has to have this emotional kevlar vest on at all times. I think it would be a perfectly natural reaction.

Forget the Hunt Dernest deal. DJ is more long term. Hunt is gone after this season. I am perfectly good with Chubb and DJ as the top 2 backs. It will still be one of the best tandems in the league.

I brought it up a little earlier this morning. Baker seems to me to be the type to hold a grudge. I think we better go all in on Watson because I have a feeling that if we don't just use the expensive franchise tag on the guy, he isn't going to sign with us unless the offer is way above anything else he receives. He may even sign somewhere for much less.

We seem fairly set at critical positions. We must feel that getting the QB is more important than anything a rookie can contibute the next few years.

With the cap going up, we can rely more on free agency for a year or two. I like picks as well, but sometimes using picks for established players is the move to make.

How would it work out? Who knows?(shrug) Just like you never know how it is going to work out with drafted players.

JC...I also wonder if the Browns are looking at the market for contracts, and realizing even if Baker has another soso year, that it is still going to cost a ton to retain a QB whom isn't elite...And they can obtain a QB whom is considered elite (Watson) for near the same salary. And I think Watson is under contract for 3 or 4 more years. (As Watson's huge contract, now seems more feasible in what we've seen with 2022's contracts)

i disagree a bit. i think its natural to feel some type of way if your franchise is actively searching for an upgrade at the position you start at. i think what you say is true IF he decided to throw a hissy fit and sit out or something, but its a natural feeling to be ticked off about an organization trying to replace you.

Maybe I should rephrase....

One of the narratives on Mayfield is that he's a winner and has the mentality of a winner and can handle adversity per the path he took through college (he had to walk on two different teams or something?). He took that adversity in stride and just did his thing and 'won'.

This should be no different.

Berry is really starting to irritate me and is acting desperate and starting to make really questionable decisions.


Watson doesn't want to be here.

Most Browns fans don't want Watson here.

Watson will likely be suspended by the NFL (6+ games is expected) and we will be sacrificing 2022's season before it begins.

We will be in cap hell

how do you know he doesn't want to be here?

something tells me the dawgpound will be sold out cheering for watson week 1, if he's traded here.

1. it's been reported in every way possible that he was choosing between Saints and Panthers and he didn't want to waive his trade rights

2. IDK there are a lot of pissed-off women in Cleveland that we are enraged that we are even considering trading for him.

Acting desperate? Why, because people actually believed their comments that it was set in stone Baker was the starter next year? It's his job to try and upgrade every position on the roster and he has always said as much



Why has agreed to meet with the Browns?


Until he wins games. The same was said about Kareem Hunt.

1. clearly the reports are wrong, because he's meeting with the team today. he doesn't have to meet with us, and the texans didn't have to grant us a meeting with him.

2. there were ticked off women when we signed hunt too. seems like the stadium didn't lack women in the stands whatsoever.

There has been a LOT of "reporting" regarding Watson. None of what I've read would I call 'solid'. Rumor at best, IMO. Jumping to conclusions doesn't really help until we know we actually have something to get bent outta shape about.

So along those lines, knowing full well that Watson still has a long road to go to get out from under his legal issues (not even talking about morality here, just his legal cases), I don't think Berry and KS would suddenly swing for the fences for a guy that's going to cost a ton AND might not be available for a while.

If nothing else, KS and AB are way too pragmatic to sell the farm for Watson (at this point).

j/c...

Not necessarily... the more teams that actually meet with Watson the higher the Texans can drive the price...

Yeah bring that piece of trash rapist in here. Cant wait, go browns. Disgusting

I'd be sending Nick Chubb, Haslam, and Cooper as well...

If the trade does indeed go down, I'm hoping the Texans throw Brandin Cooks into the deal.

Watching the back on forth on this, talking about the cost of getting Watson. It basically comes down to a single point, if you don't have the QB on the team, nothing else matters. Thats why they are willing to part with whatever to get him. It's also why getting your QB in the draft is always the best move long term because of the cost to acquire later. As far as Watson himself, noone on this board knows what they actual situation is. All that really matters is that a grand jury didn't even find enough to charge him, which usually doesn't take much probably cause to atleast level a charge at him. They couldn't even do that. As far as the accusations of the women, well I'm not sure how much is true and how much is a money grab. Also the fact that the timing of this coming out when he asked for a trade is a bit suspicious. But only those close to it know for sure. I also don't think a suspension is a sure thing. Not being charged criminally def puts the brakes on the civil stuff and gives Watson a leg to stand on he didn't have before. From a player perspective, its easy to see why the browns are looking at him.. Baker hasn't had the growth they expected and can't make plays consistently. They obviously don't see a fit with he and stefanski. If i'm be honest, I don't think Stefanski's system will work long term if he don't adjust to the rest of the NFL, Giving Njoku the franchise tag was a bad move imo. But I think Baker can still be successful in the right system, its just not here. So no sense in prolonging it and at the end of the day, Berry and Co's job is directly tied to the moves they make and the success they bring. But Watson is a CLEAR upgrade. He would make cleveland instant contenders. But one thing is for sure, there isn't any chance Baker is here next year, even if the browns want him

Exactly, I think the Browns already know exactly what the NFL plans on doing with Watson and have a plan in place for it. Berry doesn't seem like a guy to leave a stone unturned and when he makes a move he has all the info.

what does he have to answer for if the trade doesn't happen...that doesn't even make sense. Its pretty obvious, they aren't behind Baker long term. His job is to get players his coaching staff feel good about running their system. Its obvious they don't feel thats baker, nothing to answer for.

if AB pulls something like that off, go ahead and hand him exec of the year.

I think AB and KS are very intelligent and they have had to plan this all along.

Initial Plan - Pursue Watson once he was acquitted of criminal charges and trading Baker as partial compensation.

Contingency Plan - Watson not attained, Baker alienated, trade for Garropolo, trade Baker, draft Willis/Ridder.

j/c:



Hmmm. We'll see.