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The Rumor mill is flying high and mighty with the Baker Mayfield is being traded and shopped by the Browns, How much of this is true? Is Baker truly on the market?




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We are meeting with DeShaun Watson. That tells you that if a big upgrade is available at QB they are going to take a swing. The real question is how will Baker Mayfield receiver this information. His head coach and general manager are meeting with a different player to play his position. I wouldn't think that foes over too well.

My guess is that we move on from Baker even if we don't get Watson. I would also guess that we could get a third round pick for him from a QB needy team. We would then sign a QB like Marcus Mariota and/or trade for a QB like Gardner Minshew.

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I think the Browns are after Watson and Baker was told by Berry.

However, he told him we plan to talk to him and the Texans. "You are the starter unless we sign him."

Baker knows the score. He knows he is on a one year deal. Nothing changes for him. His plan is to be as good as he can be.

Let the rest happen.

If Watson goes to another team. Baker is the starter.


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Getting a 3rd round pick for Baker and signing Mariota or Minshew would be really dumb. Neither has the ceiling Baker has.

Getting Watson - I understand even if I don't like it.

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Originally Posted by mgh888
Getting a 3rd round pick for Baker and signing Mariota or Minshew would be really dumb. Neither has the ceiling Baker has.

Getting Watson - I understand even if I don't like it.

I’m only saying that if the bridge has been burned. Obviously keep him if you can.

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If we lose out of Watson the FO needs to turn attention to Jimmy G.


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I like the Jimmy G Idea




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Hopefully the bridge is not burned. Chances of getting Watson seems a 1 in 4 or one in five shot at very best. Putting aside any personal opinion of his legal woes, if the Browns went hard after Watson, knowing they have a slim chance of getting him while also knowing there was a high chance of burning any bridge with your current QB who has potential to be a top 10 QB based on what he has already done when healthy ... that'd be dumb also.


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Originally Posted by 86hunter
I like the Jimmy G Idea

Hell no. A healthy Jimmy G showed the world what he is this year. There is a reason he won't be a 49er next year.


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Mayfield also showed the world this past year! We have most of the pieces in place to finally make a run at it, Mayfield scares me!




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I just heard an interview on Bull & Fox with Brown's voice, Jim Donovan. For the first time, I now believe that Mayfield is finished in Cleveland, regardless of the teams' pursuit of Watson. Donovan's tone and tenor when asked about current events was not what I would expect from him. Over the years, listening to announcers like Donovan and Tom Hamilton with the Indians, I have always thought you could tell when a player was on the outs based on what the announcer is willing to say about them. Announcers are PR mouthpieces for teams and when they go negative on a player its my opinion that its because they have been turned loose by their masters to spill the party line.

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If I were Baker I would certainly refuse to play for the Browns at this juncture in public. Make it national headlines. That would drive the price down on what the Browns could get for me. Treat me like crap and lie to me and that's exactly the way I would treat you.


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Originally Posted by 86hunter
The Rumor mill is flying high and mighty with the Baker Mayfield is being traded and shopped by the Browns, How much of this is true? Is Baker truly on the market?

Every single player in the NFL is always on the market. Yet you point out Baker why??????????


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IMO, that would be very un-Baker of Baker. I think it's more likely that he returns to his earlier form (just before injury) and THEN snubs the Browns. That would be more his MO (IMO, of course).


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Originally Posted by 86hunter
Mayfield also showed the world this past year! We have most of the pieces in place to finally make a run at it, Mayfield scares me!


Yes - Baker showed the world what a guy with a broken humerus, a torn labarum , wearing a harness the size of Rhode Island will do in the NFL. I think he played at the same level and other QB with similar restraints would have played. But you go ahead and judge him on that. Very smart.


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Originally Posted by mgh888
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I like the Jimmy G Idea

Hell no. A healthy Jimmy G showed the world what he is this year. There is a reason he won't be a 49er next year.

The problem with Jimmy Garoppolo is that there is no healthy Jimmy Garoppolo.

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Originally Posted by Dave
I just heard an interview on Bull & Fox with Brown's voice, Jim Donovan. For the first time, I now believe that Mayfield is finished in Cleveland, regardless of the teams' pursuit of Watson. Donovan's tone and tenor when asked about current events was not what I would expect from him. Over the years, listening to announcers like Donovan and Tom Hamilton with the Indians, I have always thought you could tell when a player was on the outs based on what the announcer is willing to say about them. Announcers are PR mouthpieces for teams and when they go negative on a player its my opinion that its because they have been turned loose by their masters to spill the party line.

I never really thought Baker would be back.

Thought is was 65% chance he wouldn't be here.

The end of the season press conferences were weird. He never mentioned the the Browns, fans or city of Cleveland when he made his post-surgery video. Also, after the loss to the Steelers Baker said, "I'm going to discuss it with my agent and family to do what is best for me now as far as playing the game and surgery."

Never bought into Berry or Stefanski saying he was going to be the starter next year. They had to say it at the time.

Berry used a huge qualifier when he said, "we expect Baker to be the starter next year."

After the season ended and on the last episode of Browns Redzone, Donovan said then that he felt that Baker had played his game as a Brown.

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Why? everyone knows he was badly injured last year. Everyone has his 2020 tape. Everyone who knows anything about football understands that. Which speaks volumes about this message board.

No, if I'm being shopped now, now is the time to strike.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
If I were Baker I would certainly refuse to play for the Browns at this juncture in public. Make it national headlines. That would drive the price down on what the Browns could get for me. Treat me like crap and lie to me and that's exactly the way I would treat you.


It's a business. You gotta accept that - if it hurts your feelings to the extent that you don't want to be paid $18 million for a team that did their due diligence on every/any opportunity to improve the team ... well then we should move on from Baker ASAP.


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According to some, all he really has to do is show up for camp to get paid. If you believe that BS.


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Also, who's to say at the end of the season Baker wasn't open to a fresh start as well? Might be best for his career.

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I simply pointed to the fact that Baker is all over the internet with trade rumors everywhere!




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Originally Posted by Dave
I just heard an interview on Bull & Fox with Brown's voice, Jim Donovan. For the first time, I now believe that Mayfield is finished in Cleveland, regardless of the teams' pursuit of Watson. Donovan's tone and tenor when asked about current events was not what I would expect from him. Over the years, listening to announcers like Donovan and Tom Hamilton with the Indians, I have always thought you could tell when a player was on the outs based on what the announcer is willing to say about them. Announcers are PR mouthpieces for teams and when they go negative on a player its my opinion that its because they have been turned loose by their masters to spill the party line.

Dave I'm seeing a lot of people saying that Jim Donovan said during that interview: Baker quitting on his team week 18 did not go over well with the locker room and FO and basically sealed his fate. Said the locker room tired of his his attitude?

If Jim Donovan is saying that, whoa.

Did you hear him say that?

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I feel like this situation that Baker is in in the middle of is exactly how Drew Brees became Drew Brees.



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i was done with Baker after that embarrassing display against the steelers. then i was really over him when he didnt even play the last game of the season.

everybody keeps talking about Baker's injuries as if the whole team wasn't dealing with injuries and gutting it out just like him.


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I just heard an interview on Bull & Fox with Brown's voice, Jim Donovan. For the first time, I now believe that Mayfield is finished in Cleveland, regardless of the teams' pursuit of Watson. Donovan's tone and tenor when asked about current events was not what I would expect from him. Over the years, listening to announcers like Donovan and Tom Hamilton with the Indians, I have always thought you could tell when a player was on the outs based on what the announcer is willing to say about them. Announcers are PR mouthpieces for teams and when they go negative on a player its my opinion that its because they have been turned loose by their masters to spill the party line.

Dave I'm seeing a lot of people saying that Jim Donovan said during that interview: Baker quitting on his team week 18 did not go over well with the locker room and FO and basically sealed his fate. Said the locker room tired of his his attitude?

If Jim Donovan is saying that, whoa.

Did you hear him say that?

Yes, and I think its BS. Mayfield got his ass handed to him against Pittsburgh the week before. How many sacks? 9. How many QB hits? 11. The season was lost, there was no reason to play anymore, no further chance to make the playoffs. Guy played hurt all season, and now he's a shirker because he missed a meaningless game?

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You mean the game where Stefanski put our rookie 3rd string LT 1 on 1 with the best pass rusher in the NFL for more than half the game? And comparing his injury to what others played through on the team is just silly.


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Wow. Thanks, Dave.

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Heard the same thing from Jimmy Donovan and had the same reaction. Baker is trending towards being finished here in Cleveland. We will have a new QB, whether it’s Watson, Carr, Minshew, a draft pick, etc


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Minshew? what?


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I should qualify that. It was a conversation with Bull & Fox, who have absolutely brutalized Mayfield for 5 hours a day, 5 days a week for most of the season, so there may have been leading questions that Donovan responded to in less inflammatory words, but at no point did he say "no, that's not the case.". In other words he let the slander stand unchallenged, and appeared to agree.

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So Jmma and his analytics crew begin a new 5 year plan...had enough of Depo/Haslam rebuilding yet?




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Originally Posted by Swish
Minshew? what?


Wouldn't that be such a Browns and Haslam thing to end up with after this cluster f. I'd say Browns are probably in 4th place in the running right now. Atlanta have multiple connections to Watson apparently and they are making a play.

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This all starts with Stefanski ! I believe Baker got tired of his play calling. The look on his face when coming off the field spoke volumes to me . It may be a choice between the two.

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You have enough of ANALYTICS YET?




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Originally Posted by Swish
Minshew? what?
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Originally Posted by waterdawg
This all starts with Stefanski ! I believe Baker got tired of his play calling. The look on his face when coming off the field spoke volumes to me . It may be a choice between the two.
Well if that is the scenario - I'd absolutely roll with KS. But hopefully based on the success in 2020 that isn't the case. Who knows?


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You have enough of ANALYTICS YET?

What ????


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The conversation with Donovan can be heard here:

https://www.audacy.com/923thefan/authors/bull-fox

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I am adamantly a Baker supporter. I have no idea what KS was trying to do on offence last season.

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