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I am adamantly a Baker supporter. I have no idea what KS was trying to do on offence last season. Have the: Second most open receivers Third best pass block win rate Most yards per carry in the league
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I am adamantly a Baker supporter. I have no idea what KS was trying to do on offence last season. Have the: Second most open receivers Third best pass block win rate Most yards per carry in the league 8-9
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I am adamantly a Baker supporter. I have no idea what KS was trying to do on offence last season. Have the: Second most open receivers Third best pass block win rate Most yards per carry in the league 8-9 With terrible QB play.
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ESPN - just made a surprisingly insightful and accurate comment on Baker/Browns and going after Watson.
Using "Good" as the grade on Baker when healthy - and acknowledging the Browns roster is good enough to chase a championship:
Giving up on Good to chase Great and not being successful can set you back years. That's about where we are I think.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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I am adamantly a Baker supporter. I have no idea what KS was trying to do on offence last season. Have the: Second most open receivers Third best pass block win rate Most yards per carry in the league 8-9 With terrible QB play. ..and worse play calling.
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I am adamantly a Baker supporter. I have no idea what KS was trying to do on offence last season. Have the: Second most open receivers Third best pass block win rate Most yards per carry in the league 8-9 With terrible QB play. From an injured QB who tried to gut through it, but was too limited by the injuries. The coach should have seen that and replaced him.
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I am adamantly a Baker supporter. I have no idea what KS was trying to do on offence last season. Have the: Second most open receivers Third best pass block win rate Most yards per carry in the league 8-9 With terrible QB play. ..and worse play calling. So the receivers got open, the blockers were among the best, and the running backs thrived but the coach was calling the wrong plays?
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ESPN - just made a surprisingly insightful and accurate comment on Baker/Browns and going after Watson.
Using "Good" as the grade on Baker when healthy - and acknowledging the Browns roster is good enough to chase a championship:
Giving up on Good to chase Great and not being successful can set you back years. That's about where we are I think.
...Hue Jackson...Jimma Haslam's idea.
Hire a baseball guy to run your football team...again, Jimma's idea!
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This whole fiasco has turned into a mess.
No matter the outcome.
Watson comes to the Browns all kinds of BS comes with him.
The Texans don't want Baker. Then he has to be traded. Traded not from a position of strength. You end getting whatever you can.
Watson goes to another team.
Baker could still be dealt which puts the team behind the eight ball.
Baker remains. Great locker room. Jarvis gone. Tretter gone. So, Baker is supposed to lead the team which does not want him.
This is a bad situation. That could kill this season before it starts.
It has become Watson or bust. All this drama could have been avoided if Haslam would have just said no. Or, if Dee said "Jimmy no."
So, here we are stuck in the middle.
I don't feel good about any of this.
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There should be a pretty decent market for Baker if we decide to trade him. All the teams that want/wanted Watson still need a QB.
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I am adamantly a Baker supporter. I have no idea what KS was trying to do on offence last season. Have the: Second most open receivers Third best pass block win rate Most yards per carry in the league 8-9 With terrible QB play. ..and worse play calling. So the receivers got open, the blockers were among the best, and the running backs thrived but the coach was calling the wrong plays? when your star running back (one of the best in the NFL) is on the bench on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1... yeah. I'd say that's bad playcalling. meanwhile, we asked our injured QB to throw the ball to a temper tantrum who intentionally dropped 3rd and 4th down passes so he could get traded.
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There should be a pretty decent market for Baker if we decide to trade him. All the teams that want/wanted Watson still need a QB. I think Bones summation was more accurate. You've got rose colored spectacles of convinience on.... Surely the other teams will view Baker like you do, a below average QB and the free agent QBs on the market have minimal differential.... We'd be incredibly lucky to get a 3rd round pick and we are negotiating from weakness.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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There should be a pretty decent market for Baker if we decide to trade him. All the teams that want/wanted Watson still need a QB. I think Bones summation was more accurate. You've got rose colored spectacles of convinience on.... Surely the other teams will view Baker like you do, a below average QB and the free agent QBs on the market have minimal differential.... We'd be incredibly lucky to get a 3rd round pick and we are negotiating from weakness. Everyone knew the Colts wanted to be rid of Carson Wentz and Washington traded two thirds for the right to pay him his entire salary.
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Of course how I feel doen't mean a damn thing.
But this unholy affair stinks to high heaven.
I would rather be rolling with Baker and looking at the draft. Now this sh** storm.
Watson is a damn good player. He has proven that. He is only 26 entering his prime. I know how quickly the news cycle turns.
The stink blows away with the wind. Kraft, Snyder, and all that went out the door fast. Players get second chances. The league is ripe with hypocricy.
The Browns have taken on troubled players. McDowell, Takk, Hunt.
The NFL has some bad people in the game. Joe Mixon punched a woman in the face breaking bones. Tareek Hill broke the arm of his two year old son. Adrian Peterson got taken to court for beating his kid.
Before this coming season is over. Wherever Watson lands it will become about results on the field.
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Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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when your star running back (one of the best in the NFL) is on the bench on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1... yeah. I'd say that's bad playcalling.
meanwhile, we asked our injured QB to throw the ball to a temper tantrum who intentionally dropped 3rd and 4th down passes so he could get traded. Well, most likely the star running back was hurt and couldn't do it, or do you think Stefansky would throw the games just to make BM look bad? Fact is Baker was called to the plate and couldn't do it. 2 times in 3 seasons, its not like it was the first time....
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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From the horse's mouth...
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Haslam strikes again (with a little help from KS ) As Purp. said , the Browns will Brown .
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What's wild is to think, what if Baker/Browns just shut it down and had surgery after the injury in week 2 or even after the Cardinals game? Butterfly Effect.
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from a line in the Godfather 1 - "Nothing Personal Baker, just business!"
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damn Watson has Baker writing his resignation letter already
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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while i get it, Duke has no business talking trash. like, he's not that dude. he's JAG.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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Wouldn't that be such a Browns and Haslam thing to end up with after this cluster f. I'd say Browns are probably in 4th place in the running right now. Atlanta has multiple connections to Watson apparently, and they are making a play. Not sure if I'd head home with these allegations hanging around my neck, if I was him. But then again, I would never force myself on a woman, or do whatever sexual crap he is accused of doing.
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What's wild is to think, what if Baker/Browns just shut it down and had surgery after the injury in week 2 or even after the Cardinals game? Butterfly Effect. We'd be going into the '22 season feeling good with a lot of optimism. Stefanski should have pulled Baker for good at halftime of the Pats game when it was obvious the injury was affecting his play. There's no way Baker was going to voluntarily call it quits for the season.
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Hey Swish,
Baker should have thought about that after the season when the Browns looked at all that game tape. The Browns looked like fools dealing OBJ and everyone knew Baker was not passing worth a damn. Baker's stats are not good and Old Jimmy was not happy!.. So Baker is on the hot-seat for sure even if the trade does not go through
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Hey Swish,
Baker should have thought about that after the season when the Browns looked at all that game tape. The Browns looked like fools dealing OBJ and everyone knew Baker was not passing worth a damn. Baker's stats are not good and Old Jimmy was not happy!.. So Baker is on the hot-seat for sure even if the trade does not go through he's probably gone even if we dont get Watson. as of right now, the FO had better be damn sure they are gonna land Watson. anybody else - whether its Jimmy G or whoever - would be a catastrophic failure.
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Nobody feel bad for Baker. He is getting well paid to.play a game. He will start somewhere
In the NFL. But its really funny to think that some believe the Browns will never ever
Be able to land another good QB in Cleveland if Mayfield is jettisoned out.
People act like Mayfield took this team to a AFC Championship.game..
He simply is not consistant enough to be considered a top 10 QB.
He has yet to beat a upper tier QB in.the playoffs
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Hey Swish,
Baker should have thought about that after the season when the Browns looked at all that game tape. The Browns looked like fools dealing OBJ and everyone knew Baker was not passing worth a damn. Baker's stats are not good and Old Jimmy was not happy!.. So Baker is on the hot-seat for sure even if the trade does not go through he's probably gone even if we dont get Watson. as of right now, the FO had better be damn sure they are gonna land Watson. anybody else - whether its Jimmy G or whoever - would be a catastrophic failure. It seems like they went after Watson because they knew were done with Baker.
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As I thought earlier today a total clusterfck. Andrew Berry and Stefanski. Right now it’s Watson or nothing and both will cost this organization more then a fortune. Same old Browns strikes again.
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messages like this only make FA question the FO.
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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As I thought earlier today a total clusterfck. Andrew Berry and Stefanski. Right now it’s Watson or nothing and both will cost this organization more then a fortune. Same old Browns strikes again. we dont know what it is. and if we land watson, that's a fortune any team needing a QB will pay.
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That's wildly petty. I don't hate pettiness.
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Who gets the Baker hit piece after he’s out? MKC is too obvious. Jake Trotter is too close to Baker. Zac Jackson is too much of a goof. A national writer?
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At this very moment, I don't give a damn what the Browns do at QB. The Baker haters got their way, now we get SNAFU. Watson is a pipe dream, and a creep. If he comes, he better damn sure take us to the Super Bowl year one. All I have to say on this until we see how it plays out. AND OBJ sucked, if you ask me, beyond injury, he was what happened to the team in 21. OBJ derailed the browns in the locker room, period. Anybody saying anything else is a damn liar in my book. This sickens me.
I ride with 6.
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That's wildly petty. I don't hate pettiness. How much do you have to be disliked by other players to do something like this? Wow.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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As I thought earlier today a total clusterfck. Andrew Berry and Stefanski. Right now it’s Watson or nothing and both will cost this organization more then a fortune. Same old Browns strikes again. we dont know what it is. and if we land watson, that's a fortune any team needing a QB will pay. Come back after couple of months into next season when Stefanski has time enough to ruin another QB and destroy a couple of our WRs. Watson would be an idiot to chose Cleveland with Ski as a play caller. Nobody is that stupid.
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