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It's the same thing in terms of his claim. His claim was that Deshawn wasn't convicted. Neither was O.J.

Look at all the other mediocre-to-good QBs in the league and how they handle similar/same situations. One is not like the other.

Put a different way... being a fQB is HARD, and not everyone is cut out for the job. I'm still hopeful, but I also think I'm learning a lot about our FO, owners, and Baker.

Not for nothing, but OJ Simpson WAS found guilty... in the civil trial. That part of the Watson saga is TBD.

I believe personally that OJ is the murderer of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. But, he was found innocent in the court of law. I have to accept that. He should be treated as innocent of those crimes. Why, he had his day in court.

I believe personally that there was some unscrupulous things done that fixed the 2020 election. But, I feel the January 6th rioters were dead wrong. There were legal court cases that the past administration attempted and lost in the court. Thus there is a new President. Denying what the courts rule is a dangerous game.

We as a society either learn to live with our flaws or we break down as a society. What I personally believe holds no water. In this case if the courts will not charge this man because lack of evidence then I have to treat him as if he has done nothing worng. Respect the law.

DW turning down the Browns just proved to me that he is not interested in part of the package being to work on repairing his reputation. smh.

OK now that seems to be over, can we get back to figuring out who WILL be on the field for the Browns this season? I, for one, am thankful that Watson and his baggage will NOT be in a Browns uniform.

I think it confirmed what we already knew. Haslam is a scumbag. Analytics doesn’t value character over winning. And the coaches aren’t fans of Baker.

Thank goodness thats over and we get to keep our starters and 3 1's ...

Or since his entire career has been in a dome he has no interest in coming to the North or the AFC which right now appears to have a harder road to the Super Bowl...

So all of these other QB's had their FO and coaching staff make the statement they were the named starter moving forward only to go out and try to replace them a short time later? I have learned that our FO are a bunch of slime balls and that Baker has the balls to stand up for himself. I don't think standing up for yourself is a bad thing. Baker can start for other teams. When healthy in 2020 he proved he could lead a team to the playoffs. In 2021 he was playing injured. To pretend that those factors make him a "mediocre-to-good QB" just doesn't make sense. I'm sure there will be front offices around the league that do not share your view. He has choices where he could be a starter elsewhere. And from the looks of things the Browns don't place much value on him anyway.

The only people who lose from all of this FO jackassery are the fans.

Watson could feel the hate/anger seething from browns fans. We went from favorites late last night to out this morning. Good.

We were never the favorites.

There is a difference in accepting he didn't go to prison, and supporting someone the facts indicate are guilty. it seems even you don't accept the fact that O.J. is innocent. But here you sit acting like the rest of us should consider Deshawn innocent this time. Refusing to support a person who the facts strongly indicate was involved in several sexual crimes doesn't break down society. I'm not calling for an attack on Berea.

All of those QBs were the starter until their FOs looked (and most have succeeded) in replacing them. JG played (poorly) the majority of the year as a lame duck. Tua was yanked back and forth as the Watson saga dragged on.

I'll repeat. Being a fQB is HARD in many ways. I don't see how you can objectively look at this offseason as anything but argument against Baker, as far as the mental side of it.

If Watson ends up on Atlanta then the Texans should throw a party. They will likely still be terrible in 2022 (especially if Watson is suspended) and they would get the 8th pick instead of the 18th pick in this year's draft.

So you think that Baker should sit quietly by as this FO claimed only a short time ago he would be the starter moving forward and then right afterwords publicly have shown they really don't support him at all?

You do realize that's nothing more than total and pure disrespect, right? This FO wasn't forced to make the statement that Baker was the starter moving forward. That's a choice they made. Going after a degenerate is another choice they made. Point being this entire debacle was totally constructed and executed by the powers that be, not Baker. But you know how it works around here. People make excuses for the scumbaggery and attack the person who stands up for themselves.

Browns PR team getting the spin out that it will be Baker's decision not to return rather then them moving on. This impending divorce is going to be a messy one.

There won't be a divorce until the end of this season. After Baker balls tf out for 22, he'll hit FA in 23 and leave. Browns will browns.

So let me see if I got this straight according to you and others. According to you and others we should never believe what the FO says in a PR statement. I mean saying Baker was our QB going into the future was something we shouldn't have believed.

But now suddenly they come out with some "cover their ass " statement and we should believe them and take them at face value?

Funny how that works.

I don’t think we should believe either.

In the far-fetched scenario where Baker stays on the team and plays well then he gets franchised tagged.

It AMAZES me these millionaires can have their feels hurt so quickly, I feel so sorry for them. NO ONE is irreplaceable- except Tom Brady, smile, all pro sports have INTENSE competitions at every position. The Browns told all players they are always looking for improvements. Baker thinks he had great seasons, get real, he's had one nice season, yet as a NUMBER ONE pick- who's been better Baker or Miles....it ain't even close. Baker has sucked, thank God we didn't pay him and his very weak feelings.....GO Browns!!!

2 things....

1) Watson probably looked at the AFCN (Burrow, Trubiski, Jackson) and saw even as the best QB in the division, it's a tough division for QBs. NFCS, has Tom Brady for what 1 maybe 2 more years?, Matt Ryan, couple more years at best, Saints have Tasom Hill, Panthers have Sam Darnold. Add in weather and lifestyle and NFCS just looks a whole lot better.

2) If I am Mayfield, I play this year, play my butt off, and hope I play into a contract, then make them pay big or leave. Either way, his value is lowest right now, it is to his best interest to play to increase his value. If they trade me, I play with a chip to prove they were wrong.

In the end, NFL is a business and football is a team game, you can only control yourself and how you do things, the rest has too many variables to have a concrete plan.

Even Belichick tried to replace Tom Brady!

I think you hit the nail on the head with Baker... his best move is to rehab and play lights out... force the Browns to pay him big or franchise tag him... he has a shot to get paid big money if he can have a good year... on the other hand, if he has a bad year he'll still get paid millions but no where near his earning potential...

My only caveat is I'm not entirely sure where the scumbaggey begins and ends. What I do know is that Haslam had to sign off on and approve of such a bold move such as this or none of it ever would have happened. As to those who advised him and advocated for this move to be made I have no idea. On the surface it certainly doesn't appear like a move that some in the organization would have been in favor of. I have no way of knowing how the details of it all went down.

Insightful video on OJ...

We never were in. It was made clear before we met with him

j/c:

I wanted DW to be our new QB, at first. Then after a day or two of thinking about it I said to myself, "No, you don't." Most of us assume he is probably guilty of what he was accused of and from a pure player's standpoint as sweet it it would have been to have him as our new QB his background outside of football is murky at best. Personally, I think it would have cast a pall that we accepted someone (or should I say someone else) like this to head our team. IHMO

You are positive the adult comment wasn't invented....media and info these days are never wrong....and Trump won and will be President shortly. Also, I'm sure the organization HAD to have talked about being turned down. Baker is in the driver's seat, he's fully guaranteed. Don't know if that applies if he pulls a Watson and doesn't play yet gets paid....HOW???.....if he was a competitor and an adult, he'd play and play well and then have all the power. We will see how this all pays out.
Baker, boo-hoo, you can bring players in to compete except at my position. Cry for these millionaires. Go Browns!!!!

Baker talked about the bridge being burnt, well, he finished it off by asking to be traded ...

I think he has a right to be upset, but he has to realize he has no leverage at this point in time.

Yeah, that was the final straw lol

This is how I feel... he has every right to be upset... But I would have hoped he would have worked it out with the FO privately... even if he does want a trade... but instead he cries to the media... he has zero leverage... he's coming off a bad year and surgery.... honestly think the best thing he could have done was either privately ask for a trade or play all out and earn either a franchise tag or huge pay day

This.

I would have hoped too. However when your team calls you a child in public media your options get very limited.

Your QB plays injured for you. You go to find an upgrade and fail, thats not bad.

Your QB plays injured for you. You go to find an upgrade, publicly call him a child. Then get denied by the upgrade and go back to your QB like nothing happened. Haslam should be in the media looking to get to the bottom of things.

And all this is ignoring the taint that comes with sacrificing any morals or ethics or claiming that character and accountability are supposed to mean something playing for the Browns.