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Hard to believe a 37 year old career-long dome QB with a no trade clause would agree to be traded to a cold weather team at this point in his career. JMO.

His (Ryan) cap hit is like 50 million dollars??

if he goes anywhere, it would be Indy. He isn't coming to Unbelieveland.

Try reading some posts. Maybe you'll learn something.

What did I miss?

PS, thanks for the snark.

So it would be a lateral move then?

Out of these options, the best one I can see is Matt Ryan, and he spends one, maybe two years tutoring either Kenny Pickett (with our first pick) or one of those other guys, like Carson Strong (second round). I don't love it, and it seems like a trip back to QB hell. But maybe Pickett could be good if he watches for a year.

There were some good times with Baker, and he didn't get a fair chance with the injury. But he is a prima donna and we're supposed to always worry about his feelings. He needs Keenum as a "mentor" in his fourth year. And how many receivers who are good or even great elsewhere just couldn't develop "chemistry" with him? We just dumped a tight end, Hooper, who was really, really good before he got here but couldn't click with Baker. We all know about OBJ. What receiver did he ever seem to have chemistry with?
Baker would've won almost all of us over if he had said at the end of the season: "Look, I was hurt and I tried to play through it. I stunk and I know it. I don't blame the fans because I was the weak link. But I'm going to work my ass off this off-season. I'm gonna watch film and work on footwork until my shoulder is healed, and then I am going to bust my ass on the rest of my game. Give me one more chance, Cleveland, and I won't let you down."

Apologies !! I meant to quote and reply to SuperBrown who right below you was posting about $50Mill cap hit when someone has just posted the cap hit for 2022 and 2023.

Thanks for clarifying.

Is Jameis Winston available? Love me some Jameis!

We get it. You hate Baker. You wanted him gone and now that he is in agreement with you he's a prima donna? You should be HAPPY he wants out of here. That IS what you wanted. Now we get to draft a QB and this season we get to have a rookie or some washed-up has been at QB. But that is what you and a lot of others wanted. Baker gone. The guy that did what no other Browns QB had done in DECADES. But he has to go... *snicker* This team gets what it deserves.

How are the crab legs in Cleveland these days?

If there is no baker, I'd sign him over Jimmy G or Mariota. Hell I'd sign Kaep before those two. Or roll with Keenum.

Gotta eat the W .....

Pass.

Matt Ryan actually doesn't have a no trade clause.

Take Matt Ryan and his family to brunch aboard the Goodtime III and he'll waive that no trade clause in the blink of an eye!

IF we trade Baker, Ryan might see us as his last chance for a SB. We would contend with him, he could give us two or three good years and allow the guy we draft in 2023 a chance to develop.

If I was Andrew Berry I would tell Baker to go shop himself. If he can find a team willing to part with a #1 draft pick then I will grant your wish and trade your sorry butt. A #1 overall pick that thinks sooooo highly of himself should surely find a suitor willing to trade just 1 #1 draft pick for you. After all, us and 3 other teams were willing to pay 3 1st round picks plus players for Watson. If you can find just 1 team willing to part with a 1st round pick we'll make it happen. Maybe then he will find out that his self evaluations are incorrect and he needs to stay off social media, stop with the commercials and his celebrity and start working hard, watching more film, and be who he was drafted to be. Not, the reason a team built to win now is held back.

Do you seriously think some team wouldn't give a first for Baker? Call BB. I bet he'd take Baker in a heartbeat for a lower third first rounder. Baker can make all the throws and is normally (when not injured), one of the most accurate QBs. Somebody would easily give up a 1st.

Actually Baker being accurate is pretty much urban legend at this point.

No, it's not.

Sadly, BOB's not in Houston any more.

Baker is not an accurate qb. He’s never been above 63% completion and he’s thrown more picks than any qb during the time he’s been in league. I know people want to believe we finally have a qb but the reality is he isn’t a fit here and the FO sees it as well. Thus the drama

yes it is... for his career his completion percentage is 61.8%... in his, arguably, best year, 2020, his completion percentage was 62.8 which was the 30th best completion percentage in the league...

Matt Ryan has been on a decline since 2018

2018
69.4 CMP
4,924 YDS
35 TD
7 INT
108.1 Rating


2021
67.00% CMP
3 ,968 YDS
20 TD
12 INT
90.4 Rating


2022 he could end up looking like Big Ben did last year

Completion stats after OBJ was out there playing Mr. Stone-hands? When Baker gets to a legit organization, let's revisit this.

Not having Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley going AWOL didn't help last year.

Bleh, looking at that Roster, why the heck would Watson want to go there? Is Chad Hansen their top WR right now?

Sorry... forgot that his NFL career stats aren't his and are OBJ's fault... you said he was one of the most accurate QBs in the league... I said his stats don't reflect that...

The Falcons suck every year. They are famous for getting a lead and then blowing it. Matt Ryan is not the answer.

If he could get a team to trade for him and give the Browns a 1st I believe the Browns FO would take that in a heartbeat. The problem is no team would. Indy was his choice of destination. They don't have a 1st this year. Sorry they are out. Would Seattle, no I don't think so. His best play is to grow up, man up, and work hard. Give the Browns a great season. Win big this year. To the point the Browns franchise tag him. Then if he remembers this moment in time and wants to say he wants out of Cleveland he will actually have some power to do so. At that point he could say I refuse to play in Cleveland like Watson did Houston. He might force their hand. He might not. If he has a great season he might get a few teams willing to give the Browns multiple 1st for his services. His problem is to this point in time. His best season has yet to even get him a pro bowl invite. It is still been pretty pedestrian.

You summed up the situation, on point.

Well for sure whatever trade value Baker had before this clusterfk - his value is WAY WAY less now than before. So you are right - we won't get a 1st round pick for him now. Before this all happened I think there are FO personnel in the NFL who think a lot more of Baker than some of the fans do and some sort of conditional 1st might well have been feasible.

I don't blame Baker for wanting to be traded after this fiasco. It's like your boss telling you everyday that your doing a good job and then one day as he's walking away he says "Oh by the way if we can find someone better we're going to replace you." Then a week later you see the boss interviewing someone and you ask someone else what's going on and they say "The boss is interviewing your replacement". And I don't blame the Berry and the Browns for wanting to get a better player but I do blame them for how they handled this. They should have just put out feelers to Watson on his thoughts about being a Brown and when they found out they would be long shots to acquire him they should have dropped it right then instead of meeting with him and trying to convince him to come to Cleveland.

But that's what happens all the time in pro football. Every FA, every draft.

Sort of. I think this excuse if being over used and is over simplification of the situation.

There are probably 24-25 teams in the NFL that don't have an ELITE QB. In Theory if the talking heads and posters on this board are correct that Watson is a top 5QB in the NFL.... 27 other teams should have been trading for Watson. But they weren't.

The Browns FO and every FO in the NFL does this for every single position on every team. Why is the Browns QB position any different? Because, th Browns current QB is immature and does not realize business is business and not personal.

Sort of. I think this excuse if being over used and is over simplification of the situation.

There are probably 24-25 teams in the NFL that don't have an ELITE QB. In Theory if the talking heads and posters on this board are correct that Watson is a top 5QB in the NFL.... 27 other teams should have been trading for Watson. But they weren't.

Sort of, but with the draft and FA you are trying to shore up the positions where you have holes not positions you are OK with.