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I have seen the pass rushing class having a good bit of depth from a quantity standpoint, but not a quality one. There isn't a single one of them I would place in the Bosa/Myles category. So once the top three or so are gone, I don't see any value at that the position for the #13 pick.

I think there will be FA signings that will put us in a position to not be desperate at any single position. That's how they usually operate. If that is the case I think there will be even more value at the WR position when our pick rolls around.

I do agree with you that it will depend on how the draft falls. But if it's anything like normal, DE's, LT's, QB's and CB's will go pretty quickly as it pertains to actual value.

I don't see any receiver in the Calvin Johnson/Julio Jones/Chase category.

I don't see a QB that's even in the Baker category.

We're already pretty heavily invested in OT (and I don't see a Joe Thomas category guy) and CB. I'm guessing Sauce is probably gone when we pick anyways.

I see a lot of potential 10 sack DEs. They're not Myles, but ones like him don't come around very often. More like Danielle Hunter types.

We'll have to see who is there.

I am just saying what I think it would cost. I have mixed feeling on if we should.

I don't worry about "cap hell" simply from a dollar amount. All good teams push the boundry from time to time.

Getting rid of a bunch of 1st and 2nd rounders is what can push you in to cap hell. Good vets cost money. The key to managing the cap is to keep an infusion of good talent who become your next good players as you cycle away from your old good players.

A good new example might be Harris and cycle away from Treeter. We might need to shave some of those veteran dollars and replace them with younger dollars.

* I am not saying Harris is the answer, but it may be the plan, or hope.

We certainly aren't seeing the same thing at the DE position in this draft and only time will tell who is right. There comes a point where the #1 talent at a position is better than the #4 talent at another position. I think that's exactly the situation we'll be looking at.

Sometimes it works that way. Other times the #5 player at a position actually does provide more value to a team than the top player at a different position.

Style of play on both sides of the ball plays a factor.

If the grades are close, I see pass rush trumping WR. While there are good receivers available, I'm not sure the grades are as high as some seem to think.

Unfortunately, 5 pass rushers could very well go before we're on the clock. We'll have to see how it plays out.

We certainly agree that a pass rusher has more value than a WR in the draft. That also depends on need even though many people make the claim it doesn't. I agree that if they are close, I too would lean towards a pass rusher. I agree with you that all we can do is see how it plays out. Two other factors I will consider as we get to draft day is who did we sign on the FA market and how invested is the FO at giving Baker a full compliment of talent to succeed at the QB position?

j/c...

...Looks like it's time to start watching QBs again.

With you guys talking about Skyy Moore I went and watched some highlights. Came away impressed with his Qb Kaleb Eleby. I would love to grab him in the 5th round or later as a developmental guy.

Could be a good plan. We might even be looking for a guy a little earlier in the draft.

If we get Watson, does this whole forum then get shut down?

well, the Draft would still happen, just not until like the 6th round for us.

I don't think it would be that bad.

They may now be considering taking a QB with pick #13 in light of all that has transpired in the last few days.

Willis and Ridder could both be in play.

I would be curious how much (if any) time they spent meeting with the QBs at the combine.

Picking a QB in the second round in a weak QB draft doesn't seem wise.

If we're going to use a draft pick on Baker's replacement, then we should wait/stock up for next year.

If we feel we have to move on from Mayfield now/yesterday, we need to do that via FA.

It may not be this FO that makes the choice on Baker. It may be Baker making that choice. Since they've blown this all to hell I think the odds just got much higher we may be drafting a QB in round 1 and being forced into giving up resources to do it. Oh what a tangled web we weave.

If they target a QB in the 1st round I hope we trade down (maybe twice) and pick up a lot of draft capital and target Ridder, I think he will be available late 1st and IMO he is probably the best QB in this draft ...

If you like a QB you take them as soon as they are available to you. Don’t let someone else take your guy.

It doesn't have to be this year. We have Baker this year.

I suppose he can choose not to play, but that only puts him another year away from playing anywhere.

The Texans had Watson last year.


After reading the responses other people posted (especially Florida's post) it seems like it would be more likely Baker will play this year than not. But make no mistake, whether he plays or not has nothing to do with whether he's under contract. I mean hell, we were willing to sell the farm for QB who many people claimed refused to play for a team he was under contract with. Then I see you bring up Baker and how he is acting. That's hilarious.

How so? Baker is under contract. If he chooses not to play, his contract rolls over to the next year.


As for Bakers actions, read his open letter. It sounds like something a 8th grader would write, and keep in mind I support Baker, but that action is pretty punk. You write something like that once you are gone, not before.

The guy was a bottom tier QB last season. He elected to play, and played poorly for the most part. He shouldn't be so naive to think we might not look at options. I am not letting Stefanski off the hook, but we are talking about Baker here.

Baker had a problem at Texas Tech and left, he played at Oklahoma, had a problem with Jackson, which I can understand, and now Stefanski. I don't know, maybe it is just bad luck with the kid, but having problems with coaches seems to be a pattern, like it or not.

We have Baker for next season and can even tag him for a prohibitive number for a season or two after that is we choose to do so.

Ow! Coach I just pulled my hamstring. And it hurts like really bad.

That could happen, but is that really the way Baker is going to play like a guy worth a big contract moving forward, be it here or elsewhere? Also, if he went about doing things that or in a similar manner, would that not prove the guy is a weak minded individual?

If he is the type of competitor and QB we hoped he was, that wouldn't be a option. No?

That bridge was lit at both ends. IMO, you're asking the FO to bake into their assumptions that their starter for the past few years would act like he is vs acting like a pro.

j/c...

Stupid turf.

Hopefully it's just serious enough for him to drop to us after round 1, but not serious enough that he misses games.

I like Matt Corral over all of them. He came into 2021 as the #1 QB prospect, and although his numbers weren't as good as in 2020 statistically, he did show growth.

You must have missed what I said. I said I find it more likely than not that he plays.



So let me see if I get this straight. According to some, Watson refused to play for his team last year because he didn't get a say in who was hired as HC and you think Baker acted like a punk? Maybe he is gone and you just don't know it yet. He didn't attack the FO or anyone else. It wasn't a punk move and you know it. I don't blame him.


You sound like some of the fans who act like Baker wasn't playing hurt. If anyone knows this it's the FO and coaching staff. If they were really basing their move at QB on Baker's injured play in 2021, they're dumber than some of the fans. Nobody in their right mind would suggest people that deserve to run an NFL team wouldn't base that decision on a healthy QB rather than an injured one. Why are you claiming Stefanski is on the hook for anything? What possible evidence do you have getting Watson was his idea? The only thing we know for sure is that Haslam wanted Watson and was willing to do anything to get him. Outside of that everything else is speculation.


College players move to a different school many times for a better chance to play. That tells you nothing. By the time Freddie left, everyone had a problem with Freddie. I was one of those who said we should see what he could do with some talent. We watched him flounder once he had talent. I was on board with getting rid of him when we did too. What evidence do you have that Baker is having a problem with Stefanski?


We do. The difference is do you want a QB who no longer wants to be here? Do you think holding him hostage is going to help the image of this organization and our ability to sign FA's moving forward? Once you burn a bridge you can't unburn it. It's time you start placing the blame where it belongs. I know it's your beloved Haslam family. But it's time you step up and admit this is the mess they created instead of trying to blame Baker for it.

There are consequences for your actions. Unless of course you can get people to accept you shifting the blame to someone else.

Allowing someone to shove it up your ass and acting like that didn't happen is "acting like a pro"? Oh dear God.

Are you talking about Baker's situation or Watson's?

Ah, poor Watson. They didn't let him help pick his next HC so he refused to play. I mean if you believe that narrative. So no, I'm not talking about Deshawn "The Predator" Watson.

I could buy into Corral, too.