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Keep deluding yourself. How do you live with yourself. 22 women aren't liars. Go back under the rock you crawled out from under.

For the people that want to be informed.

Some troubling pieces for those that dont want to bother, I am leaving off any of the more descriptive crap...

The plaintiff immediately ended the massage and started to cry. After telling him to leave, Watson said "I know you have a career and a reputation, and I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don't want anyone messing with mine."

Another lady:

She said he told her “I make a lot of massage therapists uncomfortable and it’s really hard for me to find someone who will meet my needs.”

Another lady:

The lawsuit claims the woman was “embarrassed” and “humiliated” as the player allegedly made several inappropriate advances, including demanding sexual acts before leaving the spa.

Another lady:

The lawsuit claims Watson told the woman not to talk about the appointment, which she considered a threat.

Another lady:

During the first appointment in September, the woman said Watson became aroused and asked her what she was going to do about it. She told Watson that his behavior was inappropriate.

She said she was afraid and wanted to end the session, but she is a single mother and the spa job was her only source of income. The session ended without further incident.

Another lady:

Watson told her not to be afraid to "touch him". She told him that she was not being paid to do that. Watson then responded that it was what he paid for. She declined and quickly ended the massage.

She said Watson only paid one-third of what he owed.

Another lady:

Watson quickly began aggressively dictating the massage. As she became more uncomfortable with being told to massage his buttocks, he allegedly told her made it clear that he could help, or hurt, her career.

Plaintiff began shaking from fear, as she worried what the repercussions of upsetting him could be.

Another lady:

She was uncomfortable but felt she could not afford to upset Watson so she complied.

So now you are accusing the grand jury of cover up and lying?

How about the testimonies of other clients?

Why don't you go to instagram and check the services provided by masseurs? Its pretty obvious, unless you think happy ending is the girl reading you a bed time story

No, I'm accusing you of being in denial to feel better about yourself. And also of being a mysogynist

this was posted by the Jaquars ? Just asking

Tell me you didnt read anything with out telling me you didn't read anything.

A mysogynist.... why would anyone think that?

You are the one failing to understand that paying for massages with happy endings is quite common, there is nothing misogynist about it.

I know you aren't bright enough to understand anything. So maybe go read the link LexDawg provided. If you can't even be bothered to do that, then I have nothing else to say. You are are just a low intel troll.

The grand jury had the opportunity to read the accusations and the defense, you are only posting a small part of the evidences provided. They looked at all the evidences and saw no crime. To my knowledge there were testimonies from other masseurs who acknowledge the sexual services provided, and also the testimonies of other clients.

That's why this cases go to a court of law

"I know you aren't bright enough to understand anything. So maybe go read the link LexDawg provided. If you can't even be bothered to do that, then I have nothing else to say. You are are just a low intel troll."

You are now resorting to insults, which only proves my point.

All this discussion would be solved if you took 2 minutes to go to instagram and look up for masseurs.

That's irrelevant to the facts of the case. 22 women don't lie. Only misogynists' do.

First, many werent masseuses. You are right, I only posted a small part of the evidence, there is a lot more but I doubt it will make him sound any better.

Were you in the grand jury?

by the way

"The person Buzbee describes as someone who coordinated Watson's massage sessions also was a fact witness, but pled the fifth throughout questioning on the advice of her attorney."

"Buzbee sent a transcript of the deposition, which included questions like, "You knew that Watson had a fetish to go to a massage and then try to convince the unsuspecting therapist to have sex with him, right?"

The only question her attorney advised she could answer was when she was asked if she knew a lot of Texans players. The witness replied, "Yes, I've worked with them for a long time.""

Neither of us were, but one of us has a problem dealing with discussing the issue. You keep parroting 'grand jury grand jury' but it doesn't change any of the information does it?

Reading just these two conversations is rather telling.

Person 1: "guys do this is disgusting"
Person 1: "I am normally the one that coordinates his therapists when I cant make it (due to this issue actually)"

Second Message

The whole damn thing I guess...

I keep on referring to the grand jury, because contrary to you, they had access to all evidence, not part of it, and for sure they had access to information that led them to reach the verdict.

Posting part of the evidences, which we don't even know if they are really evidences, changes nothing.

This case went to a grand jury, its not being judged by you or me, we have no competence.

If you were a member of the jury, you could shed a better light on what happened. I imagine you are not, you are just a Baker fan pissed DW will be the new QB.

Real quick, what did the jury find him 'innocent' of?

Any criminal actions, i.e. any actions that could constitute a crime, which was what he was being acused.

You has a member of the grand jury should know this better.

No, not any criminal actions. Only the charges which were brought, which are secret and not known. So for example if he had been charged with rape but he only sexually harassed a woman the grand jury would not indict him. If he were charged with rape and the grand jury didn't feel there was enough evidence for a possible conviction there would not be a trial either. It takes a super majority to indict, so if there are four dissenters you will not get an indictment.

Nope.

So here’s another hypothetical, more relevant to the case:

You as a father find out that your daughter was marketing herself as an unlicensed massaged therapist on IG, and willingly met up with a NFL QB at his home or a hotel room. What do you think she’s doing?

I really didn’t want to go here, but damn people seem to want to believe the best in some people in the worst in others.

Everybody will swear up and down that “my daughter/son would NEVER <insert situation>”

Yea, it was your daughter/son who did that.

That’s somebody daughters who’s all up on P-Hub. That’s somebody’s daughter who decided to make an only fans account. That’s somebody’s daughter who decided to make a secret IG account that way her parents didn’t find out about it. That’s somebody’s daughter who decided to market themselves as an unlicensed massage therapist. That’s somebody’s daughter who decided to marry some dude 20+ years her age for money. That’s somebody’s daughter who falsely accused an athlete to try and get a settlement check. That’s somebody’s daughter who decided to get with the one dude you wanted her not to. That’s somebody’s daughter selling her farts on the internet. That’s somebody’s daughter who got sloppy drunk at the club and went home with some random dude.

Like please, we need to stop acting as if women are just innocent flowers in absolutely every single situation. I get it that it’s our instinct as fathers to believe that our daughters could/would never put themselves in such disgraceful situations. But take a step back from the parent perspective and look at the big picture here: somebody’s a daughter did that. Willingly, consensually, and happily.

Once again, as I’ve said a thousand times, Watson is a certified creep. But let’s stop acting like there aren’t millions of women all of the world marketing themselves to said creeps.

No matter how we look at it, being a creep isn’t illegal. Marketing yourself to creeps isn’t illegal. 22 accusations says you take the accusations seriously, but believe the evidence. A grand jury decided there wasn’t enough evidence to charge Watson. Watson has maintained his innocence and is actively fighting the civil cases instead of settling, as of now.

If we’re gonna convict people based on he said/she said, I wonder how many dudes on this board would be sitting in a jail cell right now.

Trust me Swish. Don’t take that road.

What we have seen so far is bad enough. To dismiss these witnesses because they maybe selling (what we think but don’t know) shady services doesn’t give anyone a right to be slimy and demanding something. Being a mega famous and well paid QB in the NFL comes with responsibilities. He shouldn’t even contact them or invite them home/be at a hotel room in the first place. That’s the crucial part of all criticism apart from his creepy behavior.

After getting $230m he has the money to pay them and move on. $5m or whatever it will cost, see it as a speeding ticket and accept that you drive to fast at the wrong place.

i answered your hypothetical. i think its strange that you couldn't answer mine.

i have to because it works both ways. being slimy isn't illegal. if you're gonna say "he shouldn't <insert>" doesn't that mean a woman shouldn't <insert>? this isn't a "what was she wearing" situation here. i'm not victim blaming. that's why i have no issues going down this road. selling shady services means you know there's people out there willing to buy. looking for shady services means you know there's people out there willing to sell. there's a whole lot of consent and mutual agreements going down right now.

bro, if i didn't think i did anything wrong, why would i pay up? he's maintaining his innocence. if you are innocent in a he said/she said - which is currently what this is right now - are you saying you would bite the bullet? settling comes with the unwritten rule of admitting guilt. you're asking Watson to do something you wouldn't do if you were in this current situation.

again, take a step back and view it from different perspectives. that's what i try to do. if people want to call me a certified creep for contacting massage therapist on IG, i gotta live with that. but i'm not about to bite the bullet and admit to sexual assault if i didn't sexually assault anyone. i'm not about to settle the case if that comes with the unofficial admission of guilt if i'm not guilty.

if Watson is found liable in these cases, then i'm with you 100%. but until then....all we can do is wait for the facts to come out.

j/c,...

Wow! I never realized just how many (self) righteous people come to post comments here.

aight man.

all imma say is that atleast im willing to engage in you guys hypotheticals and not dodge the questions. you guys ask the questions, i answer them. i gave you a straight up response, you didn't. if this is how the convo is gonna go, i'm not interested in discussing this aspect of the situation any further.

Hey buddy, some people don't consider what they don't know. They only care about what they think they know. It really stands out when they start throwing out hypothetical situations in an effort to bolster their position.

Don't waste your time.

The hypothetical I offered up was to get people to be honest with themselves about their opinion of watson. If you truly feel that he is innocent, then you should have no hesitation recommending your daughter as a massage therapist to him.

Swish - I'm not caught up on all the hypotheticals and not really part of that discussion.

I can tell you that if there are women that Watson met with who are non-licensed massage therapists that are implying or providing happy endings - I have zero problem with that. I don't even think that is all that slimy - pro athlete, no time for a girlfriend, just wanting to scratch an itch? I can live with that. The numbers are a bit of a red flag - I think I have read that the total number of women identified is over 50? But if they were all consensual agreements, I have no issue.

The problem is that is not the case - and while I can accept that there is a good chance some of the 22 fall into this category and are band wagoning - that doesn't explain or deflect the licensed massage therapists that most definitely don't offer rub n tug. Their stories are 100% credible. Their stories appear corroborated with seeking advice on how to handle things after the incidents. Their stories are consistent with sex abuse which rarely gets prosecuted because it's so hard to prove in a court of law. Hell just read the SI article about the women's interviews with the NFL where they all felt like the NFL was victim blaming.

There are a lot of good takes out there - sadly there are a lot of over reactions and there are a lot of people 100% deflecting and suggesting that all these women are a bunch of whores and freeloaders trying to trap a famous athlete.

My daughter is a lawyer, not a massage therapist. Why would I recommend he go to my daughter for a massage in the unlikely event I ever spoke to Watson or he to me asking if I knew where he could get a good massage?

LOL...to play your game, if some guy who was mostly a stranger to me starting asking where he could get a massage, I'd probably tell him no and go start talking to someone else.

Someone correct me if I am wrong - there was no jury that found Watson innocent of anything. . . . . my understanding is that the decision is based on whether to prosecute. Not being prosecuted and being found innocent in cases that are exceedingly hard to prove is not the same thing.

It also sounds like this whole thing started when 1 of the 22 accusers was calling Deshuan and tried to extort $30,000 or she was going to go public with a consensual act. Deshaun took this to his lawyer. At the lawyers advice they encouraged the accuser to go to the police. Only then did the original accuser go to the police. It was after that moment the accuser got a lawyer and they reached out and encouraged other women to join the compliant.

I know I have heard time and time again that 22 women can't be lying. Well the whole thing started as an extortion plea. Makes more sense now why the grnd jury found no crime to indict and take to trial.

j/c,....

In America one is >>>assumed<<< innocent, until proven quilty.

[Disclaimer] ... does not apply to the NFL penile system.

Edit: the law is like the goal post and should not be moved.

A person doesn't have to prove their innocence. You are innocent until proven guilty.

If I can't offer proof, it isn't up to me or you to determine guilt. You or I may have feelings, but feelings don't count.

You are talking about in the eyes of the law.

As an individual I can look at the facts and form an opinion. So can you - or you can hide behind your last statement if you choose.

The law found OJ Simpson not guilty - which is two steps more than Watson - but overwhelmingly most of America thought of him as a murderer.

The Law is an ass. It is limited. And as I just posted in another thread sex abuse is notoriously bad area of prosecution.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ms-face-emotional-physical-consequences/

Less than 1/3 of rape is reported.
Less than 6% leads to arrest.
Less than 1% gets a conviction.

Maybe all those 94% were lying in your eyes?