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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Given Haslam's crooked history, no one should be surprised by this move.

I was surprised. Cleveland owners usually sit back and do nothing to improve the team in an effort to get better. They usually run bottom third payrolls and trade away our best players for garbage.

This is refreshing IMO.


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Haslam is no different than the owners of the Falcons, Panthers, and Saints.

They all did their own investigations. They made their decisions right or wrong.

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It did cost in picks, but worth it IMO.

It cost a lot more than that. Some people just refuse to step up to the plate and admit it.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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After 4 and a half years, the New York (this time calls for a cuss word), have spent so much effort, peer pressuring the Haslams to give up the Browns two best assets, OBJ, Baker, and Myles Garrett.

The NY dolts, who run the league, and never want (pitiful old) Cleveland, to have nice things...
Couldn't by rule, (aka) the first overall pick, keep the Browns from acquiring Myles Garrett, and Baker Mayfield, and somehow the Browns got OBJ, But!!!

After dozens of news stories, and rants by folks like Colin Cowherd, and all the myriad of Psychological warfare against Cleveland Browns' success,
the son of a gunning jets fan, and giants fan, losers from media ville, have successfully gotten the Hasalms to cave. frown in my opinion, to the pressure to part ways with the only things that were better than the other teams,
and made the Browns hard to beat.

Now! Never forget the idiots from other cities only want the Browns to be one thing, and that is, "in last place" . That's all they'll ever want and ever did want, and they'll say-print, have debates on, and play their stupid tv networks like espn and fox and nfln,
none of which are probably based in Cleveland, or even the Midwest. frown

Once the Los Angeles, / New York, / wherever/ crooks have successfully pressured the Browns to part with 2 of their best players, they will once again,
Turn up the Heat to pressure Jimmy Haslam and the Browns to part ways with Myles Garrett next!
Because

They are terribly bad people in those selfish arrogant markets that like those (#2) teams.


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One report that was mentioned a couple of days ago, before Haslim and his A-team panicked once Mayfield made it clear that they were not welcomed in Texas and their attempt to smooth things over after Watson made it known that Haslam, his A-team along with the city of Cleveland were the last place he wanted to play for...and Watson informed the Browns that they were the first out of the Watson sweepstakes.

Jimbo and the boys had played their hand so poorly that they were now in a deep dark hole with only Keenum a possibility at QB. You can't make this stuff up..!

Mayfield was not about to compromise his sense of morality and allow Jimbo and his front office boys to use him any longer. Mayfield was not about to crawl for the Browns slimy owners.

Jimbo's only way out of the deep, dark hole he was responsible for digging was to use his wallet, that was now WIDE-OPEN, allowing Watson and the Texans to name their price while hoping that Watson would go back on his word and his very public statement concerning where he wanted to play.

Waston DID NOT WANT TO PLAY FOR HASLAM and HE DID NOT WANT TO PLAY IN CLEVELAND.

It wasn't a surprise to me to see Deshawn Watson go back on his word and proclaim that he now thought Cleveland was a great place to attempt a resurrection of his own morality, by proclaiming it was always his desire to play for the Cleveland Browns and their morally corrupt owners.




Baker Mayfield’s plan to boycott Browns may have revived Deshaun Watson effort

Posted by Mike Florio on March 20, 2022, 9:04 AM EDT

So how did the Browns end up securing the rights to quarterback Deshaun Watson after they were the first of four finalists to be eliminated? The Browns by all appearances sweetened the financial pot, to $46 million per year for five years. And the sweetening of the pot apparently was prompted by the fact that the relationship with their incumbent started had irreparably soured.

As explained by Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Browns actually did intend to pivot back to Mayfield after missing out on Watson, and that they were moving on from Mayfield only if they could get someone like Watson, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, or Derek Carr. Mayfield, per Cabot, wasn’t on board with that.

As Cabot explained, Mayfield reached the “breaking point” when the Browns sent a delegation to Houston to meet with Watson. Adding injury to insult was the report from ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that the Browns want “an adult” at quarterback. Mayfield’s camp believed the comment came from within the Browns organization. (It likely came from the very top.)

So while Cleveland’s plan seemed to be “if you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with,” Mayfield was done. Cabot reports that he “likely” would have skipped the offseason program. That he would have skipped the mandatory minicamp. That he “probably” would have held out of training camp if not traded.

It would have gotten expensive for Mayfield, but every player’s rights are set forth by two contracts — his personal deal with the team and the broader agreement between the league and the union. He had a right to stay away. Even if he showed up, he likely would have continued to ask for a trade. And he quite possibly would have been even more of a handful for the Browns to deal with.

Frankly, it’s stunning that the Browns thought they could chase a franchise quarterback without crossing the Rubicon with Mayfield. It shows that those inside the building failed to read a situation that was obvious to most on the outside.

Mayfield wasn’t going to tolerate an effort to supplant him. You can call that whatever you want — competitive, immature, territorial, shrewd, gutsy, impractical — but it was obvious based on what we’ve seen and heard from Mayfield that the last thing he would do is shrug and keep going.

Thus, the Browns had to keep going for Watson. And they got him. Now, they simply have to hope that the still-boiling legal situation won’t go off the rails. Even though it still could.
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You know what they say about birds of a feather. Haslam and Watson are a match made in heaven. Neither seem to give a damn about character or ethics.


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In this world, certain things are inherent truths: The sun will rise in the east and set in the west. Your toast will land butter-side down. And any large and powerful organization will dump its difficult news on a Friday. So, of course, it was on a Friday when the Cleveland Browns announced that they were trading for quarterback Deshaun Watson. In this case, though, the word trade, while correct, feels as if it downplaying how well the move worked out for Watson—who is still being sued by 22 women who say he sexually harassed them during massage appointments, including three lawsuits in which women say the QB forced them to perform oral sex. Three other women also have said publicly that the QB sexually harassed them during massage appointments, but one dropped her lawsuit instead of refilling it with her name, and the other two women have not filed suits.

Here is how last week went for Watson. After not playing football for a year, the Cleveland Browns gave Watson a $230 million, fully guaranteed contract, making it one of the richest deals in NFL history. The contract intentionally gave Watson a meager (by NFL QB standards) base salary in the first year of just more than $1 million, a move that appears to be done to significantly reduce the amount of money he would lose if suspended from playing by the NFL because of what those 25 women say. That assumes he’s suspended at all. Collectively, this means that, at least money wise, Watson came out a far richer man than he was before the the women came forward.

This led to a lot of anger, from NFL fans and, specifically, Browns fans. How could it not? I don’t want to pretend that every NFL fan cares about violence towards women—plenty of people were celebrating this move for the Browns. But there are fans who care because how could there not be when hundreds of millions of people follow the league. (Yes, those fans include women but, as the abuse by Richard Strauss at Ohio State and Robert Anderson at Michigan show, sexual violence happens to men, too.) After the Watson deal was announced, the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center said it got more than a thousand donations.

In response to this anger, the Browns issued several statements on Sunday, most notably from team owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam. Their statement is worth going over in detail because a lot can be gleaned about the mores of pro sports team ownership by what is said and, also, what is not. The statement opened with this:

We spent a tremendous amount of time exploring and investigating the opportunity to trade for Deshaun Watson.

If the Browns spent “significant” time looking into what happened, I’d expect this statement to go into detail about those steps. As the saying goes, show, don’t tell. But no surprise, this statement gives none of those details. You and I must take the Haslams—who made their fortune owning a truck-stop company recently involved in a massive fraud case —at their word. (The lead attorney for the women suing, Tony Buzbee, has said that no NFL team reached out to him.)

Next, the Haslams said this:

We are acutely aware and empathetic to the highly personal sentiments expressed about this decision.

Translation: Whatever sexual violence you have suffered in your own life is “personal.” Please stop tweeting about it. Thank you.

It went on:

Our team’s comprehensive evaluation process was of utmost importance due to the sensitive nature of his situation and the complex factors involved. We also understand there are still some legal proceedings that are ongoing and we will respect due process.

Translation: We once again will not tell you what we did, because we own the team and you do not.

The statement continued:

It was pivotal that we, along with Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski, meet with Deshaun to have a straightforward dialogue, discuss our priorities, and hear directly from him on how he wants to approach his career on and off the field. He was humble, sincere, and candid. In our conversations, Deshaun detailed his commitment to leading our team; he understands and embraces the hard work needed to build his name both in the community and on the field. Those in-depth conversations, the extensive evaluation process, his dedication to being a great teammate and devotion to helping others within the NFL, within the community, and through his charitable initiatives provided the foundation for us to pursue Deshaun.

Or, rather, the Haslams mean this: We will say nothing about our “investigation” but we will go into great detail about what Watson said because that is the only part that makes us look good.

And finally:

We are confident in Deshaun and excited about moving forward with him as our quarterback and supporting his genuine and determined efforts.”

Translation Let’s do some winning! Please ignore what all 25 women have said! Let’s freaking goooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

The statements from the rest of the Browns organization all struck similar tones. General manager Andrew Berry also insisted that their investigation was “extensive,” without actually saying what was done, and talked about “positive contributions to our team,” a.k.a. winning. Head coach Kevin Stefanski’s statement also pointed out the “extensive” work done to make them comfortable signing Watson, and also did not say what that work was. Neither of these statements matter, though. If the Haslams were bothered by what the women have said about Watson, they would have vetoed any move to sign him by their employees. Clearly, they were not.

Ever since the move was announced, much of the chatter has been about what the league will do and what sort of bind the NFL is in. This ignores that league “investigations” still largely remain kangaroo courts that do little beyond try to guess the amount of suspension that will make angry fans shut up. They are public relations, wrapped up in the language of justice, which always becomes apparent when a really, really good player is involved—and Watson is a really, really good player. He also has had more than two dozen women say he sexually harassed them, or worse, during massage appointments.

What’s most difficult about Watson’s new contract is how it serves as a reminder to anyone who cares about sexual violence and harassment that those wrongs, like so many wrongs, only count for so much in our society. You can be good enough at a lot of things, including football, and those in power will find a way to ignore what you have done because it’s convenient for them and their bottom line. This is not a new story for sports or our society. It is the same old story, the same old lesson, and what’s hardest is not knowing how many more times you and I must hear it and experience it and do our best to fight for change before those in power start finally to shift.

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Every person has the right to respond to this.

Haslam owns the team. Three other owners submitted trade bids and others expressed interest.

Fans have their right to boycott all things Browns. They can cancel season tickets. Not attend games. And stop watching tv.

The same can happen to other teams who have paid players that have committed other crimes or have been charged with crimes.

Watson still faces civil suits. So, his case is actually on going. Perhaps more information will come to light.

People have every right to make decisions on how they wish to handle this.

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let's remember that Dee Haslam also signed off on this, and went down there to meet with Watson and reviewed the situation with everyone else involved.

keep that same energy on Dee that yall are on Jimmy.


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Aditi (the reporter who's last name I'll just butcher) put it that way.

Did Dee actually make the trip, though?


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from all the reporting and "sources", she did. and i would expect her too since she's very involved with the team.

and its not just her. if we're gonna be this ticked off about it, then that means all the fans need to be ticked off at the players on the team who are gonna fully embrace Watson as their QB. or the players that try to follow Watson here. are the players endorsing a sexual predator as well? are they endorsing him over the accusers?

if people gonna play morality police, they better keep that same energy across all aspects of the franchise. from the owners, to the players, to the fans that are gonna pack the stadium on sundays.


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Given Haslam's crooked history, no one should be surprised by this move.

I was surprised. Cleveland owners usually sit back and do nothing to improve the team in an effort to get better. They usually run bottom third payrolls and trade away our best players for garbage.

This is refreshing IMO.


Exactly! Could you ever imagine in your wildest dreams the Dolans doing something like this. I am glad about this, because I know Haslam truly cares. He gets emotional about it and wants to succeed. I've never seen any type of emotions from Dolan, ever.


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There are 1696 active players in the NFL.

There are 3581 people employed in the NFL.

Some percentage of all these people are going to be bad people. Andy Reid's son was found guilty numerous times of DUI.

The last time he seriously injured a five year old girl. Do the KC fans cheer for the Chiefs?

What would be the right thing to do to Watson? Should he play football again? If Ben was suspended six games was that enough?

Did the Steeler's lose fans because of accusations of rape that their quarterback was accused of?

Every team owner who was interested in Watson was no different than Haslam.

Like you said should the players all shun Watson? Should they tell the players union to kick him out of the NFL?

Should all the Browns coaches quit as a protest?

Should the NFL just close down?

Let's get real. Watson was going to play. He is now a Cleveland Brown.






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Our team’s comprehensive evaluation process was of utmost importance due to the sensitive nature of his situation and the complex factors involved. We also understand there are still some legal proceedings that are ongoing and we will respect due process.

How can a review of this situation be comprehensive if they never got the other side of the story.. They didn't speak to any of the women or their attorney.

Ask any law enforcement officer what they get when they only look at one side of the story?


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The ongoing civil cases from a legal standpoint limit access.

Busbee was not contacted by any team.

At the same time it seems Watson is convicted by some people. Has he received due process?

How about we let this play out?

People have read statements from the accusers.

Is that enough to convict Watson?

Both parties deserve to be heard. That is what trials are for. Each side gets to question the other.

Then a jury decides.

Has that happened? The Grand Jury decided Not to indict. So, NO it has not happened.

The civil cases as yet have not been tried. How about we watch and listen before we decide?

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FWIW, the legal experts on Twitter say it'd be highly irregular for those directly involved with ongoing cases to talk. If true, Buzbee presenting it this way is dumb.


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Witness who allegedly coordinated Deshaun Watson's massage sessions pleads the Fifth

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A person who "allegedly worked closely with the Texans organization and coordinated massage sessions" for Deshaun Watson invoked her fifth amendment right during a deposition instead of answering questions about the Texans quarterback, according to Tony Buzbee, the attorney representing 22 women in civil lawsuits that include allegations of sexual assault during massage sessions.


On Thursday night, Buzbee emailed several members of the media with an update on the ongoing depositions being taking in the civil suits against Watson.

Thirteen of the 22 women who filed suit have been deposed by Watson's legal team and the rest are being scheduled, according to Buzbee. Brian Burney, Watson's business manager, and Quincy Avery, Watson's private quarterback coach, will be deposed as fact witnesses, which are people with knowledge of a case who describe only the facts as they know them.

The person Buzbee describes as someone who coordinated Watson's massage sessions also was a fact witness, but pled the fifth throughout questioning on the advice of her attorney.

Buzbee sent a transcript of the deposition, which included questions like, "You knew that Watson had a fetish to go to a massage and then try to convince the unsuspecting therapist to have sex with him, right?"

The only question her attorney advised she could answer was when she was asked if she knew a lot of Texans players. The witness replied, "Yes, I've worked with them for a long time."

Watson himself can be deposed as early as late February and Buzbee has said he intends to use his "full forty-plus hours" to question him, according to League of Justice's Amy Dash.

In addition to the 22 civil lawsuits, there are also 10 criminal complaints against Watson. The NFL also has an open investigation into the quarterback's conduct.




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Witness who allegedly coordinated Deshaun Watson's massage sessions pleads the Fifth

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A person who "allegedly worked closely with the Texans organization and coordinated massage sessions" for Deshaun Watson invoked her fifth amendment right during a deposition instead of answering questions about the Texans quarterback, according to Tony Buzbee, the attorney representing 22 women in civil lawsuits that include allegations of sexual assault during massage sessions.


On Thursday night, Buzbee emailed several members of the media with an update on the ongoing depositions being taking in the civil suits against Watson.

Thirteen of the 22 women who filed suit have been deposed by Watson's legal team and the rest are being scheduled, according to Buzbee. Brian Burney, Watson's business manager, and Quincy Avery, Watson's private quarterback coach, will be deposed as fact witnesses, which are people with knowledge of a case who describe only the facts as they know them.

The person Buzbee describes as someone who coordinated Watson's massage sessions also was a fact witness, but pled the fifth throughout questioning on the advice of her attorney.

Buzbee sent a transcript of the deposition, which included questions like, "You knew that Watson had a fetish to go to a massage and then try to convince the unsuspecting therapist to have sex with him, right?"

The only question her attorney advised she could answer was when she was asked if she knew a lot of Texans players. The witness replied, "Yes, I've worked with them for a long time."

Watson himself can be deposed as early as late February and Buzbee has said he intends to use his "full forty-plus hours" to question him, according to League of Justice's Amy Dash.

In addition to the 22 civil lawsuits, there are also 10 criminal complaints against Watson. The NFL also has an open investigation into the quarterback's conduct.

It sounds like this is her in grey...

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Our team’s comprehensive evaluation process was of utmost importance due to the sensitive nature of his situation and the complex factors involved. We also understand there are still some legal proceedings that are ongoing and we will respect due process.

How can a review of this situation be comprehensive if they never got the other side of the story.. They didn't speak to any of the women or their attorney.

Ask any law enforcement officer what they get when they only look at one side of the story?

I know this sounds like it should happen, but the easiest way to avoid potential witness tampering charges is not to talk to them. The Browns aren't in law enforcement, and there are ongoing legal cases. The Browns had/have a vested interest in Watson winning his cases. The Browns talking to the accusers could have and likely would have been painted in a bad light by Buzbee.

They could very well have gotten access to the accusers' filed complaints and depositions from Watson, Rusty Hardin, or some random court clerk for all we know.

We don't know what the Browns know.


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Sounds like this Busbee guy is trying to have this case tried by public opinion. Using the media to taint the process. And by reading some of the responses, it is working. There were no criminal charges levied, I will wait until these civil trials are over before I pass judgement on the guy.


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and Quincy Avery, Watson's private quarterback coach,

NFL QBs work with private coaches?


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Thirteen teams inquired about trading for Watson.

They were all prepared to deal with the backlash.

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Thirteen teams inquired about trading for Watson.

Yep. A snippet the Jason Lloyd article in The Athletic:

The Browns were one of 13 teams to express interest in Watson, who held a full no-trade clause. That left him in control of the proceedings. He reviewed the rosters of all 13 and submitted a list of five for which he was willing to waive his no-trade clause. The Texans eliminated one of his five teams because they were within the division. The four finalists were the Panthers, Saints, Falcons and Browns.

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Watson was impressed by the Haslams. Jimmy admitted he’s made plenty of mistakes since taking over the Browns and discussed what he’s learned and how Watson fits into the Browns’ long-term view. Dee spoke about her involvement in the community and what would be expected of Watson.

Watson told his people after the meeting he thought the Haslams were sharp and invested in the roster. He liked how they knew every player and how the players fit within the team. He also was impressed by the fact when he started talking, both Berry and Stefanski were taking notes on what he was saying.

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The Browns PR machine is out in full force. We soon is to believed that we have sign the NFL equivalent of Mother Theresa.

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Thanks for providing more evidence as to what a scum bag Haslam is.


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Sounds like this Busbee guy is trying to have this case tried by public opinion. Using the media to taint the process. And by reading some of the responses, it is working. There were no criminal charges levied, I will wait until these civil trials are over before I pass judgement on the guy.

It sounds like you're afraid of the public hearing the truth.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Steubenvillian
Sounds like this Busbee guy is trying to have this case tried by public opinion. Using the media to taint the process. And by reading some of the responses, it is working. There were no criminal charges levied, I will wait until these civil trials are over before I pass judgement on the guy.

It sounds like you're afraid of the public hearing the truth.

Public opinion is formed from half truths or false information. Like your signature calling him a predator. He was not designated a predator yet you call him that. That is not a truth it is an opinion founded by someone without all of the factual information. Those that were made aware of the factual information decided no crime was committed and did not indict. But their obviously not as enlightened as you are.


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22 women designated him one. The police said they are credible witnesses. Overlooking the obvious to make yourself feel better may be a road you wish to travel down, but not me.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
22 women designated him one. The police said they are credible witnesses. Overlooking the obvious to make yourself feel better may be a road you wish to travel down, but not me.

Those same woman did not go directly to the police. They tried to extort Deshaun and he and his lawyer told them to file a police report. There are also 18 other women who have given Deshaun the same kind message and were contacted the same way these women were and all of them dais he treated them very well and no inappropriate behaviors were made toward them. The FBI investigated, the Browns lawyers thoroughly vetted the story and found comfort with what they found. So far the evidence has suggested that Deshaun is telling the truth. Actually 1 accuser has already stated she lied. Extortion, lying, a thorough investigation. But public opinion is lagging behind. Why? What the national media decides is news. Isn't it rather fishy that the ME Too movement is not all over this case. Why is that?


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How is guilt determined in the United States?

By a trial in a court of Law.

In a trial jurors get witness first hand the interrogations of both parties involved. And all allowed evidence is presented.

Prosecutors would get to interrogate Watson. Defense attorneys would get to interrogate the accusers.

And when it is all said and done. The jury gets to determine guilt or innocence.

Has That Happened?

Has anyone of us been witness to that process?


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I'm glad you think O.J. is innocent.


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We know already. Your claim is all 22 of these women must be scum bag liars and Watson is the beacon of truth. We get it.


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How did you determine that?

Have I said a thing about OJ?

Did I say trials always get it right?

That was not the question. Read what I asked.

Have you been a part of the trial of Watson? No you have not.

Yet you have determined his guilt. Bravo for you

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Hey pit; not trying to tell ya what to post or not post, but are you going to make the same posts every day for the next few months (years?) and not talk about anything else that is football/Browns-related?


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Originally Posted by bonefish
How is guilt determined in the United States?

By a trial in a court of Law.

That's how.


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Originally Posted by lampdogg
Hey pit; not trying to tell ya what to post or not post, but are you going to make the same posts every day for the next few months (years?) and not talk about anything else that is football/Browns-related?

I will most likely address those who support Watson at all times. In just the last day or two I have addressed what I think the change in the offense will be concerning the pass verses run ration. With a more accurate QB and WR's with a higher catch rate, that should mean according to the numbers we will be passing more. I addressed those who asked if the run option was taken away from Baker by saying with a torn labrum one would think both Baker and Stefanski should have agreed to take Baker's run option away. I mean how dumb would it be to open the playbook to have designed plays that give the option of having a QB with a torn labrun running the ball?

I hope that answers your question.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm glad you think O.J. is innocent.

He was not guilty... If you had other information, you should have shared it at the time.

What you think doesn't mean anything.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
Did Dee actually make the trip, though?

With a glint in her eye and a bottle of rubbing alcohol in her hand.

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Did Dee actually make the trip, though?

With a glint in her eye and a bottle of rubbing alcohol in her hand.


LOL..that actually pretty funny!

I don't see you post much very often. Guess I will see you in a year.


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