Ah, poor Watson. They didn't let him help pick his next HC so he refused to play. I mean if you believe that narrative. So no, I'm not talking about Deshawn "The Predator" Watson.
I was more talking about sticking things in behinds being more Watson's thing.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Explain to me the ocean-sized difference between Baker's situation and JimmyG's/Matt Ryan's/whoever-used-to-start-in-DC. How come they can handle it, and Baker can't.
I'm not saying our FO was some high-performing machine in all this, but Baker Mayfield's temper tantrum is just that.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
JC...Anyone else think we are now in the mode of trading back to accumulate some of those picks we lost via Watson?
You don't get much trading back in the later rounds.
I just meant, perhaps trading our 2nd round pick....to say late 2nd round, and picking up an additional pick or two in return (as we still have voids everyhere) Hopefully we aren't done in FA.
Ojabo seems like a high character guy with a really high ceiling (notwithstanding the whole Michigan thing). Would we be crazy to draft him in the second round?
Ojabo seems like a high character guy with a really high ceiling (notwithstanding the whole Michigan thing). Would we be crazy to draft him in the second round?
2. Most didn't expect him to play major snaps as a rookie and saw him as a role rusher with upside to become a starter. That could help keep him in the 20s of Round 1.
3. Supply vs. Demand still favors Ojabo due to limited rushers in this class with his athletic upside.
4. Achilles (like ACL) isn't the rehab it used to be and teams are much more comfortable with rehab (some more than others).
I could care less being a Buckeye fan where he went to college if he is available at #44 Grab Him !!!
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Ojabo seems like a high character guy with a really high ceiling (notwithstanding the whole Michigan thing). Would we be crazy to draft him in the second round?
I think I would pass. Much has improved, but I don't think I would like to draft a player with an Achilles injury. At least that high. Maybe the 5th round as a boom or bust choice..
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I don't know what the big deal is about that. If I am Houston, my plan is to be crappy again this year then get my Franchise Qb at the top of next year's draft. So I want as much ammunition for next year as possible in case I win 3-4 games and have to move up a spot or 3.
Don't blame the clown for acting like a clown. Ask yourself why you keep going to the circus.
When it is all said and done after this draft is over.
IMO the Browns and Bills will have the two best rosters in football.
Maybe it is the Lake Erie water?
I agree, we are in a good spot and we will continue to be in good shape.
Any year is a QB year, meaning there are always going to be teams who spend a 1st rounder on a QB. Next year there might be 5-6 1st round QB's taken. That means more good player fall deeper in to the draft.
We are going to continue to be able to draft good players for the next few years even missing a 1st rounder.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
If not the 2 best we should have a roster that is in the top 5 or 6 in football. Depending on whom else we land in FA and the draft it could be higher. Hopefully, we can get a 2nd rounder for Baker. Our drafts for the next 3 years will be starting in the 2nd round.
Well in his defense, "best roster" is subjective. I know what you're saying though. As Browns fans many overvalue and overrate their team and its players. You'll have a certain portion of fans in every NFL city do the same thing.
And you also have to see how it stacks up on paper. You see, before all the injuries set in, which every NFL team must endure, things look pretty peachy. But as time wears on in the season, what looked good on paper becomes nothing more than a paper tiger.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
We now have "potential" at Center - the guy looked really good in his ONE start last year and has practiced A LOT with the team since he's been here. Looks good...unproven though.
We have a RT playing LT who looked quite "meh" last year but fought an ankle all year. There is some smoke about work ethic. He'd be a better RT.
We have a vet RT who severely hurt his knee (again) after severely hurting his elbow. He's quite good IF he makes it back.
He have "potential" at TE...still...or again...with both guys.
We have a #1 WR and...a bucket pull of...wait for it..."potential"...elsewhere.
Yes...FA isn't over and we have a draft with some mid-round picks...but our O is anything but a powerhouse right now.
We have (1) starter on the DL and he's so over-rated it hurts...I didn't say he isn't very good...he's talked about like he's great...and he's not.
Our LBs are simply an enigma outside of JOK.
We have good players and depth at CB...and need another safety.
If I were to over-analyze the Bills roster, I don't think I'd have as many keystrokes as I have here. JMO.
Explain to me the ocean-sized difference between Baker's situation and JimmyG's/Matt Ryan's/whoever-used-to-start-in-DC. How come they can handle it, and Baker can't.
I'm not saying our FO was some high-performing machine in all this, but Baker Mayfield's temper tantrum is just that.
Baker Mayfield has been more consistently ridiculed and abused in the media than any QB I can think of over the last few years.
It was published right after the season that the 49ers intended to trade Garoppolo... our front office insisted that they plan was for Baker to be the starter at the beginning of next season...
But I'm curious, he wrote a very nice "no matter how this works out I want Cleveland to know how much you have meant to me" social media post.
Then it came out that even without Watson the Browns wanted to move away from him because he wasn't "an adult".. so he asked to be traded, Browns said no.... we don't want you but we need to keep you under contract just in case we end up with no other options? Yea, that would have been a GREAT way to go into next season...
I guess I just don't see anything all that irrational about his "temper tantrum"... seems like how almost any competitor would feel under the same circumstances...
You could make the argument (not sure I would, but IMO it's worth debating) that our WR corps is actually better off now than they were last year (with the knowledge that we'll be adding more via FA and/or draft). The fact we have a #1 WR that'll command double teams AND fits better in this offense AND wants to be hear (please please please not another sideshow) is by itself huge. We have DPJ who should be a fine #2 so long as Amari is drawing the double-teams. We still need a slot receiver and all the depth behind them, but I believe in AB.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
When it comes right down to it, Watson really threw a hissy fit in Houston, and right after he signed a new contract.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
In the past drafts I have rarely gone beyond 1st round candidates.
Mocks after the first round are close to impossible to predict.
Now with all that has happened. Time to start looking at position rankings beyond top five and see what could be out there.
I still believe we are not done in free agency. But even with additional signings we could be looking at a possible starter with pick 44.
Two guys that I feel could be there and be considered. One guy is Perrion Winfrey. He is a favorite of Quincy Carrier. I have watched some of his tape and he looks like a good fit for us. IMO he could play the 1 or 2 gap and stunt and loop. He can penetrate and is a inside rush threat.
Another player is I like is Skyy Moore. If we don't bring back Jarvis. He looks like he could play the slot. I like everything I have seen from him. He is short but has good hands. He shows long speed but he has the short area quickness. He just looks smooth. At the combine I loved the way he caught the ball.
I started a thread about George Pickens. He is beginning to draw lots of attention. If he is there at 44 he would be hard to pass on.
The only valid reason would be a more highly ranked DL player which includes edge and interior.
It is imperative to get a guy opposite Myles. Clowney was a good fit. If he signes elsewhere.
Keep Danielle Hunter with Vikings in mind. We may try a trade for him. He would cost us a good player for sure.
It's hard to peg, and this year there are a lot of 2nd and 3rd round guys who could make an impact.
The problem is with all the picks before us, each pick made can and will dictate the next in many cases, so trying to pinpoint down to who might be there when we pick is futile.
The best we can do is pick any 3 round mock draft out there, find our pick and take names maybe 5 picks before our pick and 10 picks after and some of the names will probably be available.
I like to use stock drafts rather than drafts I generate because I think there is a subliminal factor there that somehow the guy you want always seems to be available. LOL
I am not even sure what draft this is, but here is the random list of players who might be around.
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CHI Jahan Dotson WR Penn State 5' 11" 170 40
SEA Trent McDuffie CB Washington 5' 11" 192 41
SEA Daniel Faalele OT Minnesota 6' 8" 400 42
IND Roger McCreary CB Auburn 6' 0" 188 43
ATL Breece Hall RB Iowa State 6' 0" 215 44
CLE Christian Watson WR North Dakota State 6' 4" 200 45
BAL Travis Jones DT UConn 6' 4" 336 46
MIN Jalen Pitre S Baylor 6' 0" 197 47
WAS Daxton Hill S Michigan 6' 0" 190 48
CHI Kaiir Elam CB Florida 6' 2" 187 49
NO Jaquan Brisker S Penn State 6' 1" 190 50
KC Marcus Jones S Northwest Missouri 6' 0" 180 51
PHI Demarvin Leal DE Texas A&M 6' 4" 290 52
PIT Dylan Parham
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If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Listen to the draft guys like Jeremiah. Most seem to believe the strength of this draft is the talent that will be there in the mid rounds.
I can only go so far.
In the end when it is all done and we made our picks. That is when I will really dig into the players.
It always kills me that sometimes I will see a guy and think. "Why in the world is this guy not considered a first rounder?"
George Pickens? I guess because he missed most of 2021. When I turn on the tape. I am like why would a team not take this guy in the first round?
I see a really good receiver here.
I am still stunned that we got JOK last year. I don't see how he got out of the first round. His tape from ND was as good as any I have seen.
When you think about it the NFL does not know as much as they are given credit for. Quarterbacks please. Teams whiff like crazy on qb's even after they are in the league.
That is the deal, you never know who might be a 1st rounder. I like George Pickens as well. He would be an excellent pick in the 2nd, even the 1st.
We will get a better handle on who we might select once we get about 4-5 picks away from our pick in the second round.
Right now, we need to hope a bunch of QB's get selected before our pick Running backs would be good as well. We won't take any of those in the 1st two rounds.
OH...we will have to wait to see how free agency plays out over the next few weeks. The signing of Cooper quelled the call for a receiver to some degree. Add another and it might make it real quiet.
I think as fans we place more on needs over what a team does, and teams do take that in to consideration. The difference is I think teams also factor in needs 2-3 years down the road because they take in to account expiring contracts and such where us fans tends to place more weight on the here and now. Us fans might be concerned most about who is going to catch the ball this season where a FO might have more concern about having no cornerbacks, as an example, a few years down the road.
It is easier to find a short term fix than a long term fix, and the draft is about long term.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
All good points. This is why organizational continuity is so very important.
There are short and long term plans.
I have become a major supporter of Berry. IMO the combination of him and Depo provides a good perspective balance. The draft, existing contracts, the current roster, player development, free agency, trades all go hand in hand.
Berry has that - plan my work, work my plan mantra. He is aggressive now but also plans for the future.
I have complete faith in him to handle the roster and cap.
Good point on continuity. Plans sometimes take several years to see through. What one person was planning all of a sudden gets torn apart with the next person, and many times unintentional.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
George Pickens? I guess because he missed most of 2021. When I turn on the tape. I am like why would a team not take this guy in the first round?
I agree, and that's why I don't think Pickens makes it out of the first round.
imo the way this off-season is shaping up ... I can see us using our first couple of selections on the DL unless like in the case of JOK one (WR) falls to the second.
I am really curious how Berry uses his draft capital. Because of how teams prioritize positions; the first round will go deep into those premier positions.
Also, we still may sign some free agents.
My guess at this point is we may be able to load up on interior DL, and look to provide depth at other positions.
Currently on the DL interior we have: Tavan Bryan, Jordan Elliott, Togiai.
We might bring back Sheldon Day who is serviceable. Overall that looks like a position we need some help with. Berry may still sign some short term deals with 30+ year old vets.
Elliott begins his third year. He has not done a whole lot. Togiai was a rookie. Hopefully he makes the second year leap.
So, I could see Berry going after players there. In fact he may use his capital to go get guys he really likes.
I like Perrion Winfrey. There are some others like Devonte Wyatt who could be there in the second that we might have to move up for.
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