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Ok so we don't have a first round pick...better get use to it cause we won't have one until 2025.

Our first pick will be at #44 I don't see why we can't have a discussion on who - yeah yeah its tough cause we don't know who will be gone.

But so what lots of guys to be available.

TE Trey McBride - I like this kid, real good hands and is a good blocker. Needs work on Zone blocking skills

WR Jahan Dotson - small which is why he will be available but I see him as a younger better version of Landry - kid can catch and score TDs will give his all for the team

DE Sam Williams - the perfect guy to go opposite of Garrett. Incredible speed I have him as the #7 DE in the draft he might just be there at 44.

DT DeMarvin Leal and I like the kid Travis Jones.

Safety Nick Cross

There is going to be a good talent available at #44 we have done well in the 2nd round I don't see why not now. Be realistic but who would be your favorites???

Go at it lets still have draft fun!


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First we have to find out about free agents? IMO Berry will try to find a pass rusher off the edge.

Clowney is still on the table. If he signs somewhere else. Berry may try a trade or go after another FA DE. It will be a priority.

Jarvis may sign? If not Will Fuller has experience with DW. He will not be to costly because of recent injury history. He is still a burner and still young.

So, given the first round goes deep into pass rushers. My guess is interior DL.

If Devonte Wyatt gets past the first round. He could be a early second round target. If not and we stay at 44. I think Perrion Winfrey could be there.

i really like him. I think he is diverse and could play more than one technique. I see him as a 1 and 2 gap guy.

Depending on receivers signed. If George Pickens is there at 44. I don't think we should pass on him. He is IMO a first round talent.

I love Skyy Moore. I think he will be there. Love this guy. He could play slot but he has long speed as well. Love how he catches the ball.
He is short but really put together. He is hard nosed football player.

We could also look at interior OL. A guy who could play center/guard. At 44 we would be looking at top 3 players in that position group.

In the end Berry wants to be flexible. He wants options. So BPA is important.

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I'd like either DT Travis Jones or WR George Pickens.


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John Metchie anyone?

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I do like McBride but don't see us taking a TE in the 2nd.

At Wr we should have a choice of Pickens, Bell, Talbot, Moore, Metchie and a few others. I doubt Dotson makes it to us, but I would love it if he dis.

At DT Winfrey, Hall, Neal could all be available.

At DE Williams, Ebiketie, and Enagbare could be available.


I have little doubt we will get a talented player at #44. The question is how complimentary the later rounds line up.


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Sidney Jones fell to the 43rd pick after blowing out his achilles at a pro day.

At the moment the "dream," is getting Ojabo, then Logan Hall, then a receiver. If Watson works out, we're unlikely to have a shot at a high end edge in the draft for awhile. Of course, the dream also involves Ojabo coming back from injury like Terrell Suggs.

Watson to Watson doesn't sound bad if Ojabo's gone.


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This would make me happy thumbsup

44. David Bell WR PURDUE

78. Perrion Winfrey, DT Oklahoma

98 . Jeremy Ruckert OSU


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Originally Posted by PastorMarc
This would make me happy thumbsup

44. David Bell WR PURDUE

78. Perrion Winfrey, DT Oklahoma

98 . Jeremy Ruckert TE OSU


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Hard to see Winfrey lasting to #78.

I guess it could happen.

Last year the unbelieveable happened we got JOK at pick 52. That was totally nuts to me.

I wonder if some other guy like that could drop to us?

Two guys that I am zeroing on are:

Perrion Winfrey and Logan Hall. Both of them should be there at 44.

They are different as players. Hall is longer at 6'6". He could move to DE. So where he would play and what technique is still to be determined.

Winfrey is more of inside guy but he can rush the passer from inside.

Both of them address a need.

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It's all just a guess. You could throw darts at names and be correct.

We just have to wait and find out.


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What is interesting. Is that most of the players we will end up with when this draft is over are guys we never heard of.

Then it will be about who are these guys?

Then going back and finding out.

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1a. Pickens
1b. Bell
1c. Dotson
1d. Watson
1e. Moore

One of these WR’s will surely be available at #44 and I would be happy with any of them.

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j/c,

Greedy Williams
Grant Delpit
JOK

All considered to be first round prospects at one point ... who's next?


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Originally Posted by Frenchy
1a. Pickens
1b. Bell
1c. Dotson
1d. Watson
1e. Moore

One of these WR’s will surely be available at #44 and I would be happy with any of them.

Would like to add:

1f. John Metchie III totally forgot about him

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John Metchie anyone?

I didn't.

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Originally Posted by PastorMarc
This would make me happy thumbsup

44. David Bell WR PURDUE

David Bell is the antithesis of an Andrew Berry pick.



I think someone like Skyy Moore is much more likely.

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Originally Posted by cfrs15
I think someone like Skyy Moore is much more likely.

If the Browns go WR at #44, Skyy Moore would be my pick. I'm on the Travis Jones choo choo train if he's available.

Sign me up for Christian Watson if he falls. Seems to be shooting up the draft boards, but that could just be media hype.


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Originally Posted by PastorMarc
This would make me happy thumbsup

44. David Bell WR PURDUE

78. Perrion Winfrey, DT Oklahoma

98 . Jeremy Ruckert OSU

Would you still prefer David Bell if Johan Dotson (both wrs') were still on the board? Just asking, I reserve the right to have two different mindsets on the topic.
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A receiver I like in the 3rd round is Romeo Doubs, Nevada. I think he can be a very good NFL receiver.

Just digging a little deeper in the draft since we are starting deeper.


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a slow, unathletic WR from Purdue. lmao

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My top 2 guys who could reasonably available at #44 are:

1, Arnold Ebiketie DE PSU
2, Perrion Winfrey DT Oklahoma

I really really like Jahan Dotson Wr PSU but I doubt he is available at #44. If he is than I probably take him.

My favorite player in the draft is Nakobe Dean Lb UGA. Again, I doubt he is available at #44. If he is available I don't know if we should take him. Mostly because I don't know how pairing him with JOK would work. Is that combination too small at Lb? I don't know enough to know if that would work.


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Depending on who goes when, I could see Nik Bonitto being the pick @44. He has an athletic profile pretty similar to Takk McKinley. Maybe even closer to Haason Reddick or a mix of those two. He could be the fastball off the edge in sub packages. Maybe even stand up and move around the defense paired with JOK.


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j/c,

DE Drake Jackson is another name to watch for the 44th selection.

He came into USC pro-day weighing 273 lbs, and was at 254 lbs for the Combine.

The weight loss was due to coaching, and a position change to LB, but he is a hand in the dirt DE.


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I think the Browns are looking real closely to Wydermeyer TE Texas A&M - dont know why he is dropping speed maybe as he ran a 5.0 40 but we might be targeting him. I like McBride but both are good additions.


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I'm pretty much out on the Texans A&M TE. He's slower than Hooper and not a good blocker.



He wouldn't seem to fit this FO's typical profile of plus athletes.

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He has had some good moments, but he is somewhat like a 80's TE.

In todays game, he looks somewhat cloddish.


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Would the Browns consider moving up to late first round?

My guess is - No.

However, there is one scenario that I believe is possible. That is if the Browns were to sign Clowney to a two or three year deal.

That would insure a bookend to Myles. Leaving the middle of the line in question.

Then "if" Jordan Davis were still there at say 27. That would be the Bucs pick.

We could offer Baker and our second (44) to move to 27 and select Jordan Davis.

He would be a cornerstone DL interior player. He is so athletic. He could man more than one gap. He could be used many ways. He would become the ultimate run stuffer.

Clowney is so good coming down the backside against the run. Damn our DL would be killer.

I would love for this to happen. Will it? I wish.

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Possibly, but I think you might have Baker overvalued. But, by saying maybe being overvalued also opens up the possibility I have him undervalued. What matters is what some other team thinks.

What I do know is I would be all in on Jordon Davis. Hey, nothing wrong with dreaming. Everything of worth starts with a dream or idea.


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It is about value to the Bucs.

Brady is old. He could get hurt. What happens next year? It would give the Bucs a starter to fall back on and have a guy in place next year.

At worst a bridge to a future pick. Baker was going to start for us. He is a starter and still young.

I want Davis. I would try something to get him.

I know analytics and the Browns do not place high investment value on interior DL. But Davis is an exception. He has dominant traits.

Just a thought. Like I said probably will not happen.

Another guy I would look to trade up to the bottom of the first is Jamerson Williams. I am looking for really good talent that may fall some because of how the first round could fall.

In the end we should get a impactful player at 44.


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Sorry. I sometimes skim a bit and missed the Buc's part.

That might make it a bit more possible. Who knows? Draft day brings events totally predictable to beyond imagination.
I suppose that would fall somewhere in between.


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And it would make sense for Baker to restructure his contract to play for the Bucs. Something like 2 yrs $25 million part as a signing bonus.
He sits behind Brady this year then is the de facto starter going into 2023 with a loaded Bucs offense.


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The Browns roster after free agency should be close to set.

If we can come away from this draft with three good picks we are golden. The 7th rounders can be used on kickers.

This would be a good draft to go after value and use the draft to move for value if it presents itself.

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Part of a larger article. Only posted what was relevant to this thread


ESPN's Todd McShay lists defensive tackles and ends who would make sense for Browns in second round

Right now, defensive line and wide receiver are still the Browns' most glaring needs, and ESPN's Todd McShay outlined some potential fits he believes could be available for Berry at No. 44.

McShay mentioned Houston's Logan Hall, Connecticut's Travis Jones and Alabama's Phidarian Mathis as options at defensive tackle.

“Logan Hall would be intriguing there,” McShay said Thursday during a conference call. “He's kind of a tweener five-technique who can play on the edge. You can play him at three-technique. He can provide some versatility.

NFL free agency is a factor in planning, too: Cleveland Browns have 'mutual interest' with Jadeveon Clowney, Jarvis Landry

“If you're looking for a pure defensive tackle, Travis Jones is a physical freak coming out of Connecticut. You just look at what he was able to do at the Senior Bowl and then combine that with the workout numbers that he had, I think he's got a chance to be a really good player.”

An edge rusher McShay singled out as a logical second-round target is Oklahoma's Nik Bonitto.

“You just need another guy on the opposite side [of Browns All-Pro defensive end Myles Garrett] to get pass-rush pressure,” McShay said. “I think Bonitto's going to come in with the explosive workout numbers he had and the unbelievable production he's had the last couple of years at Oklahoma, I think he's going to be at least as a rookie a designated pass rusher in sub packages, and I think he's going to put up some really good pressure numbers and sack numbers as a rookie.”


As for the receivers, McShay listed Western Michigan's Skyy Moore, North Dakota State's Christian Watson, Georgia's George Pickens and Alabama's John Metchie III as candidates to be picked 44th overall.

McShay raved about Moore and Christian Watson.

“[Moore] is silky smooth,” McShay said. “He's the kind of guy in a closet you'd have a hard time wrapping him up and bringing him down. He is so good in tight spaces. Tracks the deep ball well. He ran really well at the combine. I know he's a little bit undersized, but the way he plays he's so smooth. He's 5-9½, 195. He ran a 4.41 in his 40-yard dash. I think he's got a chance to be in that range around 44.”

“[Christian Watson] was like 6, 7 yards behind defensive backs on deep balls. It was like over and over again on tape. But I wondered leading up to the Senior Bowl how is he as a route runner. He just didn't have to [be a precise route runner in college] because he was running by guys at that level.

“[He faced Auburn's] Roger McCreary and some of those really top-end corners that are going to be second, third-round draft picks, and he was working them at the top of his stem and getting out of breaks. I like Christian Watson a lot. I think he's going to be in that range and would be a really good fit.”




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And it would make sense for Baker to restructure his contract to play for the Bucs. Something like 2 yrs $25 million part as a signing bonus.
He sits behind Brady this year then is the de facto starter going into 2023 with a loaded Bucs offense.

No matter the numbers or years, he is going to have to do that no matter who might want him. Nobody is going to take him on a 18-19 mil expiring contract.


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Those players are guys we have spoke of as possibles with #44.

One other in addition is Winfrey.

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Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
I'm pretty much out on the Texans A&M TE. He's slower than Hooper and not a good blocker.



He wouldn't seem to fit this FO's typical profile of plus athletes.

My guy is McBride the wydermyer thing I read on the Browns website. btw how did McBride score out on that chart?


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Jeremy Ruckert OSU 6'5.5 252 LBS

Ohio State tight end Jeremy Ruckert projects as a viable threat in an NFL passing game. Ruckert’s development as the primary tight end for the Buckeyes has spanned over several seasons—he’s been an enticing complementary piece of the puzzle but never someone who was asked to serve in a starring role as a pass-catcher. Ruckert’s best season in that regard comes in 2021 as the fifth option in the offense behind star receivers Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson, Jaxson Smith-Njigba, and running back TreVeyon Henderson. But when Ruckert does allocate targets, he’s efficient in hauling in passes and with the spacing challenges posed by Ohio State’s 11-personnel grouping, Ruckert is usually isolated in a one-on-one matchup. He’s been a killer in the red zone, too (all five of his 2020 scores came in the red area). In total, he hauled in 12 touchdown receptions in 51 career catches entering into his final contest, the 2022 Rose Bowl versus Utah. Many of those scores have come out of play-action, where Ruckert’s role as a blocker and his ability to climb to the second level on seal blocks can be well hidden and allow him to burst free on delayed releases out of stalk blocks and into the open. I think that Ruckert is a plus athlete for the position, or at least he plays like one. And with more freeing roles available to him in other offenses other than an OSU one that traditionally treats tight ends like afterthoughts, I think the ceiling is there for Ruckert to be a much better pro player than he is a college receiver. In the blocking phases of the position, Ruckert is used often in split-flow fits and has the mass necessary to crack the end man on the line of scrimmage effectively. That experience will prove helpful as he looks to acclimate to an NFL responsibility that is likely to ask him to play in the box.

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Originally Posted by eotab
My guy is McBride the wydermyer thing I read on the Browns website. btw how did McBride score out on that chart?

He didn't run at the combine, so I don't see his RAS yet. It should be much higher than Wydermyer.



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