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People bring up the number of "massage therapists" as evidence that he was doing something wrong. Would it change your thinking if you thought of them as job interviews? If you were considering bringing in a full time massage specialist, would you hire the first candidate?

What you're describing is just as close to prostitution as it is to sex assault.

Has there been any discussion of these ‘massage therapists’ former clients?

JC
The one thing I haven't seen mentioned is the burden of proof in civil cases is much lower than that of a grand jury or criminal case. He could very easily be "innocent" and still lose the civil cases.

This isn't wisdom, it's compliance with unfair norms. He shouldn't humble himself or settle if he is 100% innocent. To be honest at this point, sticking to his guns and proving his innocence is the best way out. If he can do that there will be no black marks (question marks) left on anything he accomplishes. If he settles, his entire career will be tainted by that. And fans will despise him.

Has there been any discussion of these ‘massage therapists’ former clients? Is Watson the only former client that’s been discovered? I have to wonder if any of these women have other, no name, clients that have had ‘release’ during their sessions? I’d think the investigators would have tracked down some other former clients… right?

I’ve not read every document or listened to/read all the press. Can anyone answer?

Bottom line: whether or not any are/were prostitutes has no real bearing. An unwelcomed or forced interaction is still what it is; sexual assault and borderline rape.


No. Nobody from the team seems to have spoken with anyone other than Watson's lawyers. They intentionally did not contact any of the women, and the women likely would not have shared info on past clientelle.

My questions were not in an attempt to victim blame. Let me make that clear. It was more out of curiosity for more of the overall picture.

Seriously, it'd be about finding the right fit. I definitely wouldn't hire one that I thought might try to falsely accuse me of sexual assault.

J/C

Even if they were tracked down, who would admit such a thing on the record?

The massage therapists social media/"business" accounts would be a place to look for evidence and establish patterns, but it appears some of them have scrubbed their accounts. link

[color:#99FF99]The key sentence in your answer is “if he is 100% innocent”

This is where you and I have different views. I and many with me doesn’t see him as totally guilty or 100% innocent. From a legal standpoint regarding the risk of being sent to jail he’s so far innocent but these 22 civil law suits is still left and can in a worst case scenario cost him a fortune both economically and with the chance that more unsatisfactory information about his behavior will see the day light. Or maybe if he wins all 22 cases they will not cost him anything at all except cost for lawyers and so on. The probability of him losing some of the cases is probably rather high if you listen to experienced lawyers. His own lawyer is in a win and win situation so I shouldn’t count him as an fair adviser and expert.

His career is already tainted by these law suits and nothing will change that these allegations will follow him and the Browns as long as he’s a NFL player. Unfairly? Probably. But that’s how the (social)media works in these days. People will think that where is smoke it’s probably some fire.

So what can he gain from fighting his innocence?

In a best case scenario he can probably maintain his initial stance without having to over and over explain himself and he will probably win a few people over to his side. Maybe the media will be more kind to him. It can boost his self confidence but apart from that his personal situation will probably be the same as it is today. Some will believe him others will not.

The other road to walk is to end all media drama and settle these cases.

22 women can move on and both parties can put this sad story behind them. That’s worth a lot. He can still maintain his innocence but admit that things could have been handled better. That will satisfy a majority of the public opinion and probably most of the media. He will have a few days of media storm but after that it’s probably out of interest for the vast majority of people. But the most important thing is that he don’t have to show up in court. Ask any lawyer and they will tell you that’s a lottery where the total truth often isn’t always part of the negotiations.

So once again. Take the good with the bad. Buy yourself a costly insurance but move on. He can easily afford it and it will not economically affect his future life. See it as a lesson in life and avoid to do the same s h i t again. 22 legal law suits should tell you that something went totally wrong, if not you’re probably stupid or misled by the wrong people.

A civil case still needs that, but doesn't need to be beyond reasonable doubt. It just needs to be some level of doubt.

Yeah, that would have to be nefarious, right? It's not that they're receiving threats and nasty calls from people like you can see undermining their credibility making them out tpo all be liars and hookers.

Rich athlete good. Accusers are gold diggers and liars. And then you wonder why women are afraid to come out and tell the truth about the rich and powerful. This isn't the first time you've undermined the women this way.

Yeah, that would have to be nefarious, right? It's not that they're receiving threats and nasty calls from people like you can see undermining their credibility making them out tpo all be liars and hookers.

You say you don't know but seem to repeatedly imply they are liars, some type of hookers, are only in it for a money grab and an assortment of things that shed a negative light on these women. It's only obvious that if someone who claims they don't know actually means that, there would be a balance to their opinions that head in both directions. That hasn't been the case from you thus far.

All I've seen is how the fact there are 22 accusers doesn't mean anything. Make an inference that canceling their accounts is somehow a nefarious act. Insinuating they are hookers.

You see, making a disclaimer is only as good as what comes after that disclaimer. And making such a disclaimer doesn't even come close to the content of your posts on the topic.

And yes, with 22 accusers I do think he's guilty of at least some of the things he's being accused of. I'm not naive enough to try and convince myself that 22 women are just all making everything they're saying up. But then I've never tried to disguise or hide that by putting out some false disclaimer to say otherwise.