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Maybe he isn't all that good? I agree, he seems pretty solid.

Maybe they want someone else to sign him so that get two 3rd round comp picks? You don't get picks if it is a internal hire, and that makes sense.

My guess is because Bowles has HC experience, and Tampa does not want the growing pains of a first year HC when they are built to win NOW and have only this year probably to accomplish it.

And honestly, for all the love Leftwich has gotten during the last 2 years, you have to wonder how much was Leftwich and how much was Brady, I am sure the team knows.

j/c:

I have different takes on Arians retiring.

--First and foremost, I give BA a ton of credit for how he was always so willing to embrace diversity in the work place. I'm pretty sure he hired the first female assistant coachi in the NFL. I know he hired a lot of black men. Hell, both his coordinators in TB are black men.

--I heard about the supposed rift between Brady and BA, but I don't think Tom forced him out. I think BA chose to retire now rather than at the end of the season for two reasons. The first was that there was obviously a lot of chaos surrounding the organization w/Brady's announced retirement. I believe that BA didn't want to add to that mess. I also believe that he really wanted Bowles to succeed him and felt this was the best way to go about it.

--I also think Bowles got the job over Leftwich because he has prior HC experience and is familiar w/the Patriot way, which should make Brady more comfortable. I also think that some of their defensive talent might come back now that Bowles is the HC. Leftwich has a solid shot of becoming a HC next year and let's face it......going to Jax this year was not an ideal situation for a first-time HC>

I am not sure why Bowles would be familiar with how the Patriots operate. Because he was the Jets head coach?

...How is Bowles familiar with the Patriot way? There could be a link, I'm just not seeing it.

I think the ages and history played into it. Bowles is 58 and had been HC twice before without much success (Jets and Dolphins interim.) The teams he had to work with were definitely a factor in that lack of success. He probably wasn't going to get many more shots as an HC and almost definitely not for a team with recent success. Leftwich is only 42. He'll have plenty of future opportunities (or at least, one would think, time for opportunities,) and could potentially even replace Bowles down the line.

Didn't Tom remove himself from the whole 'Patiot Way' thing?

Yes. He is about the TB12 way and has been for years.

He coached for the Browns for four seasons, that was after BB. 2001-2004. There maybe a connection somewhere, not sure though.

Hmmm........I thought he had ties to them. I apologize if I was wrong.

I will say that I thought my two points about BA helping w/diversity and taking care of one of his guys was far more important than the Patriot way or the Leftwich takes.

LOL.........I actually thought I made a really good post that would get people to think about how BA is a special man. I guess not....

You may be thinking of Brian Flores. It was the first thing I thought when they announced Bowles was the new head coach. I'm thinking it was odd Tampa hired him away from Pittsburgh and nothing was mentioned. Then I realized I was thinking of the wrong person.

I always liked BA. It was good seeing Bowles get the job too.

there had to have been some obvious beef between Brady and Arians, even if it’s not the only reason he’s “retiring”

Bowles is a decent choice to fill in there. Truthfully, it doesn’t matter who the coach is when Brady is there

maybe. My guess it is a little easier on Arians health in thew FO.

Yeah thats true

Or Jimmy and Dee Haslem.