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Jan 6...

At 2:38 p.m., Trump called for people to "support our Capitol police and law enforcement." He added that people should "stay peaceful" and that officers are "truly on the side of our country."

"I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!" Trump tweeted at 3:13 p.m.

At 4 p.m., hours after the mob started clashing with police, Trump released a video on Twitter telling the crowd that he understood their "pain" and "hurt."

"We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now," he said. "We have to have peace. We have to have law and order.... So go home. We love you, you're very special.... I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace."

https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-jan...esident-said-during-capitol-riot-1665967

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Thank God!

I can't get enough of reading about these dirty, insidious, seditious insurrectionists!


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Crap, forgot fascists (sorry OCD).


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I was horrified at the delay! Gotta Get Trump!

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The delay... because nothing gets between der Fuhrer and his "TV time"...
Dude was watching it in real time while his daughter pleaded with him to stop the madness.

If this were a piece of fiction, no house on Earth would publish it.


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As more and more of them go to prison they're still in denial. When you show them tape after tape of Trump working crowds into a frenzy with the lie of the election being stolen they're still in denial. When Trump told the crowd they had to fight like hell, they're still in denial. So much for the party of personal responsibility.


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Originally Posted by FATE
Crap, forgot fascists (sorry OCD).

You're catching on, just slow on the uptake. wink

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Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
Jan 6...

At 2:38 p.m., Trump called for people to "support our Capitol police and law enforcement." He added that people should "stay peaceful" and that officers are "truly on the side of our country."

"I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!" Trump tweeted at 3:13 p.m.

At 4 p.m., hours after the mob started clashing with police, Trump released a video on Twitter telling the crowd that he understood their "pain" and "hurt."

"We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now," he said. "We have to have peace. We have to have law and order.... So go home. We love you, you're very special.... I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace."

https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-jan...esident-said-during-capitol-riot-1665967

Talk all you want... But the bottom line, Trump started this mess,, he caused it (he and his minions that is). There can be no denial.... He's a lousy Human Being...


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The people who started this mess and those who committed it are going to jail for their crimes.

But Trump....

pfft.

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Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
The people who started this mess and those who committed it are going to jail for their crimes.

But Trump....

pfft.

you are probably right about Trump not going to jail... the law works differently for the criminal wealthy....


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Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were in touch before US Capitol attack, texts reveal

The messages could strengthen a theory being explored by the House committee that January 6 included a coordinated assault

Top leaders in the Oath Keepers militia group indicted on seditious conspiracy charges over the Capitol attack had contacts with the Proud Boys and a figure in the Stop the Steal movement and may also have been in touch with the Republican congressman Ronny Jackson, newly released text messages show.

The texts – which indicate the apparent ease with which Oath Keepers messaged Proud Boys – could strengthen a theory being explored by the House January 6 committee and the US justice department: that the Capitol attack included a coordinated assault.

Oath Keepers text messages released in a court filing on Monday night showed members of the group were in direct communication with the Proud Boys leader Enqrique Tarrio in the days before the Capitol attack.

In an exchange on 4 January 2021, the Oath Keepers Florida chapter leader, Kelly Meggs, indicates an attempt to call Tarrio after learning of his arrest.

“I just called him no answer,” Meggs texted a group chat. “But he will [call if] he’s out.”

That close relationship is certain to be of interest to the House committee as it zeroes in on whether the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys coordinated an attack on the Capitol in an attempt to stop certification of Joe Biden’s election win over Donald Trump.

As the Guardian first reported, the committee has amassed deep evidence of connections between the far-right groups which could play a role in establishing whether Trump oversaw a criminal conspiracy as part of his attempt to hold on to power.

The newly released text messages also show a new link between the Oath Keepers and an unnamed figure from the Stop the Steal movement, which has ties to the pro-Trump operative Roger Stone and to Ali Alexander, a prominent Trump ally and activist.

On the evening of 1 January, Stewart Rhodes, the national leader of the Oath Keepers, texted to say he was adding an unidentified person affiliated with Stop the Steal to the group chat, to help them prepare for January 6.

The name was redacted in the released texts but Rhodes described an “event producer for Stop the Steal. He requested I add him here. He can sort out who is doing what in the creative chaos that will be Jan 5/6.

It was not clear whether Rhodes misattributed an affiliation to Stop the Steal, given the January 6 rally at the Ellipse was a Save America event. Neither Alexander nor Stone appeared to message the group chat or were otherwise involved.

New Republican connection

The Oath Keepers text messages also show a connection to Ronny Jackson that allowed one of its members to learn that the Texas congressman – Trump’s former White House doctor – needed protection as the Capitol attack unfolded.

The potential connection between the Oath Keepers and a Republican member of Congress could mark a new investigatory direction for the committee and the justice department: whether Jackson or others might have had advance knowledge of the Oath Keepers’ plans.

In the exchange on January 6, an unidentified Oath Keeper texts the group chat that “Ronnie Jackson (TX) office inside Capitol – he needs OK help. Anyone inside?”

The same Oath Keeper provides an update less than 10 minutes later: “Dr Ronnie Jackson – on the move. Needs protection. If anyone inside cover him. He has critical data to protect.”

Rhodes quickly responds: “Give him my cell.”

In a statement to the Guardian, a spokesperson said Jackson “is frequently talked about by people he does not know. He does not know nor has he ever spoken to the people in question”.

Asked if Jackson was never in contact with the Oath Keepers, the spokesperson did not answer.

The House committee has not given any indication that Republican members of Congress were connected to a potential conspiracy overseen by Trump that would connect his plan to have then-vice president Mike Pence overturn the election with the Capitol attack.

The Oath Keepers texts were included in a motion for release from pre-trial detention by Ed Vallejo, one of 11 group members facing charges of seditious conspiracy. On January 6, prosecutors say, Vallejo was at a Comfort Inn in Virginia with a cache of weapons, meant to act as a quick reaction force.

The messages show the Oath Keepers discussed providing security for prominent Trump allies including Stone, Alexander, Alex Jones, Lin Wood and Mike Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser.

One week before January 6, Rhodes, the leader of the Oath Keepers, mentioned requests to provide security for Bianca Garcia, president of the group Latinos for Trump, for which Tarrio, the Proud Boys leader, was also chief of staff.

The next day, Meggs, the Florida Oath Keepers leader who would ultimately lead Stone’s security detail, boasted that he had spoken to Stone the night before. Jessica Watkins, another member of the Oath Keepers, said she was also in touch with Stone.

“Roger Stone just asked for security,” Watkins texted the group chat on 1 January, to which Meggs responded: “Who reached out to you? I [spoke] to him Wednesday.”

Meggs – using the alias “OK Gator 1” – added: “I just texted him.”

Though the Oath Keepers discussed providing security for other Trump allies, the extent of their voluntary services remains unclear. Alexander said in a recent statement that the Oath Keepers did not perform security duties for him on January 6.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/19/oath-keepers-proud-boys-capitol-attack-texts


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"Actual fraud is irrelevant if the election is illegal...."


No proof of fraud, but throw out a bunch of legal votes and Trump wins.

And people still think Trump had this election stolen.


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Pretty big move here.

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Yikes,,, if not for a few good people Trumps team might have pulled it off..

that right there is something we need to think about for the future...


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Durham has a trial going on in Washington right now for the LIARS about Trump/Russia Collusion.

Have any of you guys been subpoenaed yet?

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I'm surprised you weren't here waving a Trump flag with a swastika emblem on your jacket.


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Originally Posted by 40YEARSWAITING
Durham has a trial going on in Washington right now for the LIARS about Trump/Russia Collusion.

Have any of you guys been subpoenaed yet?

None of us are QAnon types who would LIE LIKE DOGS on the stand for Trump.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm surprised you weren't here waving a Trump flag with a swastika emblem on your jacket.

Bro not cool. Isn't 40 Jewish?

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Man who sat in Pence’s Senate chair amid Capitol attack pleads guilty

Christian Secor, 23, was a UCLA student at the time who had founded a far-right conservative student group, authorities say

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/20/capitol-attack-christian-secor-pleads-guilty

You mean it wasn't ANTIFA?


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
You mean it wasn't ANTIFA?


Nobody with a brain thought it was...


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I'm surprised you weren't here waving a Trump flag with a swastika emblem on your jacket.

Bro not cool. Isn't 40 Jewish?

Not for nothing, but if 40 is Jewish, you'd think he'd know better than to support a Hitler Clone


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I'm surprised you weren't here waving a Trump flag with a swastika emblem on your jacket.

Bro not cool. Isn't 40 Jewish?

Not for nothing, but if 40 is Jewish, you'd think he'd know better than to support a Hitler Clone

I wouldn't call trump a hitler clone. Maybe a hitler wannabe.


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I'm surprised you weren't here waving a Trump flag with a swastika emblem on your jacket.

Bro not cool. Isn't 40 Jewish?

Not for nothing, but if 40 is Jewish, you'd think he'd know better than to support a Hitler Clone

I wouldn't call trump a hitler clone. Maybe a hitler wannabe.

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Example. Trying to undermine and overthrow the 2020 presidential election results.


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Hitler was the leader of an authoritarian regime.
Mussolina was the leader of an authoritarian regime.
Putin is the leader of an authoritarian regime.
Kim Jong Un is the leader of an authoritarian regime.

Trump has demonstrated numerous times and in various ways that he wants to be the leader of an authoritarian regime in America.

Thus he is a Hitler wannabe, a Mussolina wannabe, a Putin wannabe ...
This is different than being a Hitler clone which would include mass genocide and attempts to conquer the world


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Any person that aspires to, and gets elected POTUS, has an authoritarian mind set to start with. It is not limited to Trump.

EO average/year

Biden 67
Trump 55
Obama 35
Bush 36
Clinton 46
Bush 42
Regan 48
Carter 80
Ford 69
Nixon 62
Johnson 63

I understand not all EOs are created equal, but this is one way they get things done. Keep in mind EOs are authoritative. No one gets to sign off on them other than the President. There is no vote, debate, counter debate or majority. They are only checked by the courts or by Congress actually passing a law that overrides them.

it's not just Trump.

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Sorry bud, giving out executive orders and wanting to be an authoritarian are not even close.


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So, bud, issuing orders instead of allowing the congress to do their job, say on immigration, isn't being authoratative?

Sure, bud, President's rule by fiat but that's not authoritative, bud.

Or is it Trump got compared to your hero on the list and he wasn't as authoritative as that one? I know, I know, mean orange man bad and could do no right cause he has little hands. rolleyes When politics quits being religion maybe people will think more critically.

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I don't like Trump either, but the mindless rants by extremists trying to compare him to Hitler and Republican party to the Nazis is so off-putting. It's baseless rhetoric designed to divide and conquer. Childish.

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It is the religion of politics these days.

Both sides scream the other is evil, horrible, racist, trying to destroy "our democracy" (even though we actually have a republic and not an actual democracy). The religion is fed by the church (OAN, Fox, CNN, MSNBC and others). The priests are the anchors. It is so obvious. Joy Reid says something and the next day you hear it everywhere. Tucker mentions something else, and it is all over the next day. The church structure is fed by the parties. It's all done to keep us arguing and keep our eyes off them as they all get fat and happy off the public good.

Neither party will ever admit theirs is not the true way to heaven. If you consort with the other party you consort with the devil. The goal is to vilify the other to the point that each side cannot even listen to the other.

It isn't those fascist republicans, it isn't the leftist democrats, it is politicians. It is money and power derived.

With apologies to Dennis Miller, you best be careful, I might go off on a rant here.

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I enjoyed how you crafted the words to make a story, almost as if it is an allegory. I appreciate fine writing. Nicely done.

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There is a difference between being authoritative and being the leader of an authoritarian regime.
EO's are standard practice for our President. I amy not have agreed with some trump gave or biden gave but I never criticized their ability to give them.
If congress doesn't like it they can pass a law against it or against EO's in general.

An authoritarian regime is a government that holds power and makes policies without the consent of the people that it rules.
If trump had his wahy our elections would only be valid if the candidate he wanted to win won. He is that way now, he just doesn't have the power to do anything about it.

Had trump won a 2nd term, I have no doubt he would have replaced as many people in government with his lackeys and done everything he could to get rid of to the 2 term limit for President. He would have done everything he could to remain in power for as long as he remained alive. He wants to be America's Putin.


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Please stop w/your insane comparisons.



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You have no doubt he would have done what he could to remove the 2 term limit? Obama is on film suggesting all he needs is a willing partner so he can get a third term.

Again, people who run for President are pretty impressed with themselves, and their abilities to get things done. This is not a Trump issue, it is an issue with anyone that seeks the office.

Just as aside, the number of EOs Trump issued was certainly a talking point during his term, especially early. You know "it showed he wanted to rule by fiat." and "he is authoritarian". But let's not use the same measuring stick for others. I am sick and tired of the duplicity in politics.

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Vers, i said i didn't think trump was a hitler clone. I said I didn't think he wanted genocide. Tou are the ine making thise comparisons. Either you aren't paying attention to what i am saying or you are creating your own narrative.


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