At 2:38 p.m., Trump called for people to "support our Capitol police and law enforcement." He added that people should "stay peaceful" and that officers are "truly on the side of our country."
"I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!" Trump tweeted at 3:13 p.m.
At 4 p.m., hours after the mob started clashing with police, Trump released a video on Twitter telling the crowd that he understood their "pain" and "hurt."
"We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now," he said. "We have to have peace. We have to have law and order.... So go home. We love you, you're very special.... I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace."
The delay... because nothing gets between der Fuhrer and his "TV time"... Dude was watching it in real time while his daughter pleaded with him to stop the madness.
If this were a piece of fiction, no house on Earth would publish it.
As more and more of them go to prison they're still in denial. When you show them tape after tape of Trump working crowds into a frenzy with the lie of the election being stolen they're still in denial. When Trump told the crowd they had to fight like hell, they're still in denial. So much for the party of personal responsibility.
At 2:38 p.m., Trump called for people to "support our Capitol police and law enforcement." He added that people should "stay peaceful" and that officers are "truly on the side of our country."
"I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!" Trump tweeted at 3:13 p.m.
At 4 p.m., hours after the mob started clashing with police, Trump released a video on Twitter telling the crowd that he understood their "pain" and "hurt."
"We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now," he said. "We have to have peace. We have to have law and order.... So go home. We love you, you're very special.... I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace."
Talk all you want... But the bottom line, Trump started this mess,, he caused it (he and his minions that is). There can be no denial.... He's a lousy Human Being...
Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were in touch before US Capitol attack, texts reveal
The messages could strengthen a theory being explored by the House committee that January 6 included a coordinated assault
Top leaders in the Oath Keepers militia group indicted on seditious conspiracy charges over the Capitol attack had contacts with the Proud Boys and a figure in the Stop the Steal movement and may also have been in touch with the Republican congressman Ronny Jackson, newly released text messages show.
The texts – which indicate the apparent ease with which Oath Keepers messaged Proud Boys – could strengthen a theory being explored by the House January 6 committee and the US justice department: that the Capitol attack included a coordinated assault.
Oath Keepers text messages released in a court filing on Monday night showed members of the group were in direct communication with the Proud Boys leader Enqrique Tarrio in the days before the Capitol attack.
In an exchange on 4 January 2021, the Oath Keepers Florida chapter leader, Kelly Meggs, indicates an attempt to call Tarrio after learning of his arrest.
“I just called him no answer,” Meggs texted a group chat. “But he will [call if] he’s out.”
That close relationship is certain to be of interest to the House committee as it zeroes in on whether the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys coordinated an attack on the Capitol in an attempt to stop certification of Joe Biden’s election win over Donald Trump.
As the Guardian first reported, the committee has amassed deep evidence of connections between the far-right groups which could play a role in establishing whether Trump oversaw a criminal conspiracy as part of his attempt to hold on to power.
The newly released text messages also show a new link between the Oath Keepers and an unnamed figure from the Stop the Steal movement, which has ties to the pro-Trump operative Roger Stone and to Ali Alexander, a prominent Trump ally and activist.
On the evening of 1 January, Stewart Rhodes, the national leader of the Oath Keepers, texted to say he was adding an unidentified person affiliated with Stop the Steal to the group chat, to help them prepare for January 6.
The name was redacted in the released texts but Rhodes described an “event producer for Stop the Steal. He requested I add him here. He can sort out who is doing what in the creative chaos that will be Jan 5/6.
It was not clear whether Rhodes misattributed an affiliation to Stop the Steal, given the January 6 rally at the Ellipse was a Save America event. Neither Alexander nor Stone appeared to message the group chat or were otherwise involved.
New Republican connection
The Oath Keepers text messages also show a connection to Ronny Jackson that allowed one of its members to learn that the Texas congressman – Trump’s former White House doctor – needed protection as the Capitol attack unfolded.
The potential connection between the Oath Keepers and a Republican member of Congress could mark a new investigatory direction for the committee and the justice department: whether Jackson or others might have had advance knowledge of the Oath Keepers’ plans.
In the exchange on January 6, an unidentified Oath Keeper texts the group chat that “Ronnie Jackson (TX) office inside Capitol – he needs OK help. Anyone inside?”
The same Oath Keeper provides an update less than 10 minutes later: “Dr Ronnie Jackson – on the move. Needs protection. If anyone inside cover him. He has critical data to protect.”
Rhodes quickly responds: “Give him my cell.”
In a statement to the Guardian, a spokesperson said Jackson “is frequently talked about by people he does not know. He does not know nor has he ever spoken to the people in question”.
Asked if Jackson was never in contact with the Oath Keepers, the spokesperson did not answer.
The House committee has not given any indication that Republican members of Congress were connected to a potential conspiracy overseen by Trump that would connect his plan to have then-vice president Mike Pence overturn the election with the Capitol attack.
The Oath Keepers texts were included in a motion for release from pre-trial detention by Ed Vallejo, one of 11 group members facing charges of seditious conspiracy. On January 6, prosecutors say, Vallejo was at a Comfort Inn in Virginia with a cache of weapons, meant to act as a quick reaction force.
The messages show the Oath Keepers discussed providing security for prominent Trump allies including Stone, Alexander, Alex Jones, Lin Wood and Mike Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser.
One week before January 6, Rhodes, the leader of the Oath Keepers, mentioned requests to provide security for Bianca Garcia, president of the group Latinos for Trump, for which Tarrio, the Proud Boys leader, was also chief of staff.
The next day, Meggs, the Florida Oath Keepers leader who would ultimately lead Stone’s security detail, boasted that he had spoken to Stone the night before. Jessica Watkins, another member of the Oath Keepers, said she was also in touch with Stone.
“Roger Stone just asked for security,” Watkins texted the group chat on 1 January, to which Meggs responded: “Who reached out to you? I [spoke] to him Wednesday.”
Meggs – using the alias “OK Gator 1” – added: “I just texted him.”
Though the Oath Keepers discussed providing security for other Trump allies, the extent of their voluntary services remains unclear. Alexander said in a recent statement that the Oath Keepers did not perform security duties for him on January 6.
Hitler was the leader of an authoritarian regime. Mussolina was the leader of an authoritarian regime. Putin is the leader of an authoritarian regime. Kim Jong Un is the leader of an authoritarian regime.
Trump has demonstrated numerous times and in various ways that he wants to be the leader of an authoritarian regime in America.
Thus he is a Hitler wannabe, a Mussolina wannabe, a Putin wannabe ... This is different than being a Hitler clone which would include mass genocide and attempts to conquer the world
Any person that aspires to, and gets elected POTUS, has an authoritarian mind set to start with. It is not limited to Trump.
EO average/year
Biden 67 Trump 55 Obama 35 Bush 36 Clinton 46 Bush 42 Regan 48 Carter 80 Ford 69 Nixon 62 Johnson 63
I understand not all EOs are created equal, but this is one way they get things done. Keep in mind EOs are authoritative. No one gets to sign off on them other than the President. There is no vote, debate, counter debate or majority. They are only checked by the courts or by Congress actually passing a law that overrides them.
So, bud, issuing orders instead of allowing the congress to do their job, say on immigration, isn't being authoratative?
Sure, bud, President's rule by fiat but that's not authoritative, bud.
Or is it Trump got compared to your hero on the list and he wasn't as authoritative as that one? I know, I know, mean orange man bad and could do no right cause he has little hands. When politics quits being religion maybe people will think more critically.
I don't like Trump either, but the mindless rants by extremists trying to compare him to Hitler and Republican party to the Nazis is so off-putting. It's baseless rhetoric designed to divide and conquer. Childish.
Both sides scream the other is evil, horrible, racist, trying to destroy "our democracy" (even though we actually have a republic and not an actual democracy). The religion is fed by the church (OAN, Fox, CNN, MSNBC and others). The priests are the anchors. It is so obvious. Joy Reid says something and the next day you hear it everywhere. Tucker mentions something else, and it is all over the next day. The church structure is fed by the parties. It's all done to keep us arguing and keep our eyes off them as they all get fat and happy off the public good.
Neither party will ever admit theirs is not the true way to heaven. If you consort with the other party you consort with the devil. The goal is to vilify the other to the point that each side cannot even listen to the other.
It isn't those fascist republicans, it isn't the leftist democrats, it is politicians. It is money and power derived.
With apologies to Dennis Miller, you best be careful, I might go off on a rant here.
There is a difference between being authoritative and being the leader of an authoritarian regime. EO's are standard practice for our President. I amy not have agreed with some trump gave or biden gave but I never criticized their ability to give them. If congress doesn't like it they can pass a law against it or against EO's in general.
An authoritarian regime is a government that holds power and makes policies without the consent of the people that it rules. If trump had his wahy our elections would only be valid if the candidate he wanted to win won. He is that way now, he just doesn't have the power to do anything about it.
Had trump won a 2nd term, I have no doubt he would have replaced as many people in government with his lackeys and done everything he could to get rid of to the 2 term limit for President. He would have done everything he could to remain in power for as long as he remained alive. He wants to be America's Putin.
You have no doubt he would have done what he could to remove the 2 term limit? Obama is on film suggesting all he needs is a willing partner so he can get a third term.
Again, people who run for President are pretty impressed with themselves, and their abilities to get things done. This is not a Trump issue, it is an issue with anyone that seeks the office.
Just as aside, the number of EOs Trump issued was certainly a talking point during his term, especially early. You know "it showed he wanted to rule by fiat." and "he is authoritarian". But let's not use the same measuring stick for others. I am sick and tired of the duplicity in politics.
Vers, i said i didn't think trump was a hitler clone. I said I didn't think he wanted genocide. Tou are the ine making thise comparisons. Either you aren't paying attention to what i am saying or you are creating your own narrative.
Z, I can't control what other people say or criticize, so don't project their issues on me. So let rhe EO thing go because I never criticized it. It being the number of EO's. It is very possible I criticized what he ordered. But I have an issue with with aome of biden and Obama's as well.
I am sure many former Presidents would have liked to have fotten a 3rd term. But trump. Was the only who had a plan to circumvent it and tried to implement it. No matter how poorly he did it.
Vers, i said i didn't think trump was a hitler clone. I said I didn't think he wanted genocide. Tou are the ine making thise comparisons. Either you aren't paying attention to what i am saying or you are creating your own narrative.
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I wouldn't call trump a hitler clone. Maybe a hitler wannabe.
That's unfair. No way in the world would Trump have executed 6 million people for any reason. No way in the world would have had the military roaming the streets w/machine guns and gunning people down. No way would we have been forced indoors.
Sorry Jester, but those comparisons are BS and are used by people who are overly melodramatic. I don't like Trump either, but that is an unfair comparison. Please don't diminish the atrocities that the Nazis committed upon the world by comparing them to anyone in current times.
I really want to go full nuclear on you guys because you are undermining the importance of those who told their stories after the nightmare that was the Nazi regime. DO NOT COMPARE anything in our country to those atrocities. During a Psych class, we were asked to read Man's Search for Meaning by a Jewish psychologist by the name of Victor Frankl. He was successful. He had his family ripped from him. Most of them were murdered. He had every possession that he owned stolen from him by the Nazis. He was packed into a train car where Jews and Negroes were packed in so tight that they urinated and crapped on one another during their journey to the Concentration camp. He witnessed the gas chambers. He was branded. He saw multiple beatings and murders. He saw firing squads and people steamrolled into ditches that were ultimately large graves. He wanted to either commit suicide or do something to get shot, but you want to know why he did not? Because he wanted to tell his story so that these atrocities would never occur again. Please do not dishonor the name of those who suffered similar injustices by comparing Trump to Hitler. Please?
I wouldn't call trump a hitler clone. Maybe a hitler wannabe.
And then I explained what I meant by wannabe:
Hitler was the leader of an authoritarian regime. Mussolina was the leader of an authoritarian regime. Putin is the leader of an authoritarian regime. Kim Jong Un is the leader of an authoritarian regime.
Trump has demonstrated numerous times and in various ways that he wants to be the leader of an authoritarian regime in America.
Thus he is a Hitler wannabe, a Mussolina wannabe, a Putin wannabe ... This is different than being a Hitler clone which would include mass genocide and attempts to conquer the world
Then I said:
Vers, i said i didn't think trump was a hitler clone. I said I didn't think he wanted genocide. Tou are the ine making thise comparisons. Either you aren't paying attention to what i am saying or you are creating your own narrative.
Okay Jester.........you go right on ahead and ignore my message. You are entitled to that opinion and I am entitled to mine which is that you are diminishing the suffering of so many that were at the hands of the evil Nazis by comparing Trump--or anyone else for that matter-to those monsters.
It's always good to know where people stand on morality issues. So, thanks for that, at least.
I don't like Trump either, but the mindless rants by extremists trying to compare him to Hitler and Republican party to the Nazis is so off-putting. It's baseless rhetoric designed to divide and conquer. Childish.
Thirteen Similarities Between Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler
Thomas David Kehoe Sep 18, 2020
Germany in 1920 had many similarities to the United States in 2020:
1. Both times were/are extraordinary. Voters were/are polarized between the left and the right, and centrist leaders struggled to stay in office. Germany in 1920 was far more polarized than the United States in 2020. Several German provinces had Soviet revolutions. A right-wing private army, the Freikorps, killed thousands of Reds. Street brawling between the left and right occurred nightly in cities across Germany. The recent unrest in Portland and Kenosha has been far less violent than the world Hitler lived in.
2. Both times were/are extraordinary for the same reason: conservatives were discredited and lost control of the right, enabling the rise of right-wing populists. In 1914 Prussian conservatives, led by Kaiser Wilhelm II, started World War One (WWI). In 1918 Germany lost WWI. About two million German soldiers were killed and four million wounded. The German economy was destroyed and millions of Germans were unemployed, hungry, and cold. The conservatives, who were generally well-educated, affluent, and had been in positions of influence for generations, were discredited. Their place was taken on the right by populists, who were not educated or affluent. The 2007–2008 Great Recession was followed by a realization that the wealthy “1%”, who are associated with conservative politics, had both caused the recession and benefited from it. Since 2008 economic disparity has increased in the United States, i.e., the rich are getting richer and the poor are becoming poorer. This discrediting of conservatism led to the 2016 conservative loss of control of the Republican Party, with conservative leaders being replaced by populists. While the pattern is similar, there is difference in degree: WWI was far more destructive than the Great Recession.
3. The German right-wing populists, including Adolf Hitler, were dedicated to restoring Germany to its pre-WWI status as one of the leading nations of Europe, economically and culturally. Current American right-wing populists, including Donald Trump, promise to “make America great again.”
4. In 1920s Germany conservatives supported the right-wing populists on the belief that the conservatives could control business and industrial policies while the populists focused on popular conspiracy theories, such as international cabals of Jewish bankers and Freemasons, secret Catholic societies, and Russian control of German Communists. Since the 2016 election conservatives have made a similar deal with right-wing populists, who enthrall voters with wild theories about Mexican immigrants, Muslim terrorists, and Democratic pizzerias.
5. Democracy was a new concept in Germany in the 1920s. The Nazis believed, correctly, that a small minority of fanatics could gain power over larger numbers of more or less indifferent voters. American democracy is far more firmly established, but the Republicans were able to gain the Presidency after losing the popular vote in 2000 and 2016. Republican-controlled state legislatures have used gerrymandering and changing voting laws to maintain control.
6. A key step in the rise of the Nazis was the 1920 purchase of Munich’s Völkischer Beobachter newspaper. The newspaper’s editor, Dietrich Eckart, a talented poet and playwright, used the newspaper to shape the “Hitler Myth.” At first the newspaper was semi-weekly, with its subscribers reading other newspapers on other days. In 1923 the newspaper moved to daily editions, with Nazi supporters reading only the Völkischer Beobachter, enabling the Nazis to shape their followers into fanatics. Donald Trump doesn’t own Fox News but their relationship is symbiotic. Cable news and social media algorithms enable Trump’s followers to live in a news bubble, shaping their views.
On a personal level, Adolf Hitler and Donald Trump have several similarities.
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Hitler intentionally destroyed any inherent bureaucratic rationality in favour of an instrument devoted solely to propaganda, to upholding the ‘idea’ of National Socialism as embodied in the Leader. The intrinsic contradiction between ‘leadership of people’ (Menschenführung) and ‘administration’ (Verwaltung), which would be laid bare during the Third Reich, was, his memorandum plainly shows, inherent to Hitler’s conception of the party and approach to power. The untrammelled personalized form of power that he represented could not dispense with bureaucratic organization, but was nevertheless inimical to it. As long as the party existed only to attain power, the contradiction could be sustained. In government, it was a recipe for chaos. (Kershaw, Ian. Hitler: 1889–1936 Hubris (p. 404). W. W. Norton & Company.)
Adolf Hitler was not good at administration. His management style was to put off decisions, letting his subordinates fight among themselves, before finally making decisions. Donald Trump is also not good at administration and his management style is to foster a chaotic environment where he can make decisions without planning.
Both Hitler and Trump were masters of mass communication. Hitler mastered beer hall oration, then newspapers, and then the new medium of radio. Donald Trump mastered television and then was one of the first leaders to master Twitter and other social media.
In the 1920s poor Jews flooded into German cities from eastern Europe. Adolf Hitler rallied his followers with claims that these immigrants were taking jobs from Germans and that many of these immigrants were criminals and rapists. Donald Trump campaigned successfully with similar allegations about Mexican immigrants.
Adolf Hitler and the Nazi leadership were not religious and rallied their followers with hatred of Jews and Catholics. Donald Trump isn’t religious and rallies his followers with hatred of Muslims.
Adolf Hitler was obsessed with architecture. His paintings of buildings showed talent (but he couldn’t paint people). Donald Trump was a real estate developer before his careers in television and politics.
Adolf Hitler had Asperger’s, with poor social skills, singular obsessions with conspiracy theories, and an intolerance of anyone who disagreed with him. His deepest need was to be seen as a genius. Donald Trump has narcissism, with odd social skills, belief in conspiracy theories, and an intolerance of people who disagree with him. His deepest need is for admiration and support of his grandiose sense of self-importance.
The love of Donald Trump’s life is his daughter Ivanka. The love of Adolf Hitler’s life was his niece Geli Raubal. They valued loyalty above other qualities in relationships.
And there are many differences.
Adolf Hitler had no interest in luxuries. From 1920 to 1929 he rented a small bedroom in an apartment. He loved cars but never learned to drive. He had no interest in golf or any other sport. His relationships with women, until he was 40, were from a distance and extremely immature. When he was 40 he met 17-year-old Eva Braun, and he kept their relationship secret until their deaths sixteen years later. He had no children, but loved dogs. He never had a job or worked a day in his life, and had no skill or interest in business. He was a vegetarian and maintained his weight.
Donald Trump is obsessed with luxuries. He was a hard-working businessman and actor before going into politics. He loves his children and enjoys golf. When he was in a relationship with Marla Maples he enjoyed their relationship being discussed in stories in the tabloids. He enjoys McDonald’s hamburgers and is overweight.
The “Hitler Myth” of a lone genius who would make Germany great again was created by Dietrich Eckart, the poet and playwright. Hitler’s public persona was different from his private personality. How Hitler’s personality changed to match the public persona is a subject for another blog post.
Donald Trump’s public persona seems to be his actual personality. On The Apprentice he played a version of himself. The show was staged and edited but apparently Trump wasn’t acting.
There’s one more similarity between Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler: their opponents underestimate their intelligence. Hitler’s mentor Dietrich Eckart created a myth that Hitler was a genius. In reality, Hitler had Asperger’s and was highly intelligent at some things and not intelligent about other things. Asperger’s is believed to be an inability for different areas of the brain to communicate with each other. Without the distractions or dampening effects of other brain areas, each brain area can be super smart. But people with Asperger’s tend to fail at everyday tasks because their brain areas fail to connect.
Donald Trump doesn’t have Asperger’s but he also seems to be very smart in some ways and not at all smart in other ways. Half the country sees him as highly intelligent, perhaps a genius, when the other half of the country thinks he’s the stupidest President we’ve ever had. Who’s right? I don’t know, but anyone who underestimates Donald Trump doesn’t know history.
In 2016, I identified four future developments that would justify the Trump-Hitler comparison. Here are the results.
Posted February 12, 2021 by Sebastian Schutte & filed under Governance, Security
In 2016, comparing president-elect Donald Trump to all-time villain Adolf Hitler seemed overdrawn. It ultimately proved to be exaggerated in 2021, with the transition of power to Joe Biden completed. However, during his presidency, Trump has taken actions similar to the ones the Nazis used to consolidate their power. This is no partisan political statement, but the result of a simple test.
Before Trump took office, I published an analysis of the Trump-Hitler comparison on the Monkey Cage blog of the Washington Post. I pointed to four areas where Trump could copy key moves of power consolidation pioneered by the German Nazis. Then, I kept quiet on the matter for four years. History has delivered the results. Let’s take a look.
In my 2016 post, I first pointed out bottom-line changes to German society after 1933:
Nazi policies concentrated on building a cohesive national majority, to unite ‘ethnic’ Germans against Jews, foreigners, homosexuals, political critics and other minority groups. The contemporary analogy would be Trump actively pitting white Christian America against minorities in the years ahead.
Political polarization has increased during the Trump presidency. This is especially visible since the killing of George Floyd in police custody and similar high-profile incidents involving police brutality against minorities. Riots and deadly confrontations between predominately white Trump supporters and more diverse “Black Lives Matter” activists have occurred and polarized US politics along ethnic lines.
Beyond this general outlook, I highlighted four key steps that were taken by the Nazis to consolidate their power. Using history as a guide, I translated them in scenarios for contemporary America. The first step is scapegoating. I wrote:
Scapegoating was a Nazi maneuver to blame minority groups for policy failures and the weak economy. Trump has blamed foreigners and minorities for taking away jobs and killing Americans, but we need to see if this rhetoric from the campaign trail continues once he takes office.
Moreover, Nazi ideologues drew connections between their adversaries: to them, Marxists were essentially Jews, and Jews were connected to big money, so they alleged a global conspiracy against “racial” Germans — the “Jüdisch-Bolschewistische Weltverschwörung.” The equivalent today — an invented conspiracy of Trump’s domestic critics, minorities and international adversaries — would be a clear parallel and warning sign.
Trump has continued to blame foreign and domestic enemies for his policy failures. China has been blamed for the COVID-19 pandemic. Domestically, violent Anarchists, left-wing cancel culture, and the “deep state” have been blamed. Trump has never connected these dots into a Nazi-style world conspiracy, but his most ardent followers have. In the popular QAnon conspiracy theory, a child-abusing, state-run conspiracy, composed of global elites, is responsible for a wide array of social problems. Such conspiracy theories were not originally proposed by Trump, but he has embraced them, by drawing a “Q” in the air, referring to the state department as the “deep state department”, and by proposing that his reelection was stolen by a conspiracy. In summary, Trump has relied heavily on scapegoating.
A second component of the Nazi power consolidation was media co-optation. I wrote:
Media co-optation (“Gleichschaltung”) proceeded in two steps in Nazi Germany: extending ideological command over the media where possible and shutting down those media outlets Hitler could not control. In the United States today, this type of autocratic control would be virtually impossible, though attempts at censorship are imaginable. Trump has had openly hostile relations with major newspapers such as the New York Times and The Washington Post, and threatened legal action during the campaign. The role of social media in the election points to future possible points of contention. One factor that contributed in some part to Trump’s victory was propaganda containing false but factual-sounding statements that discredited Hillary Clinton on social media.
Facebook has announced that it will do more fact-checking on trending stories. Mass-media technology has changed dramatically since the 1930s — and Trump has no legal basis to shut down critical outlets. But legal quarrels between his administration, the media and social networks would be a red flag, and a threat to the First Amendment.
Four years later, the struggle over fact-checking has prevailed. Trump has repeatedly lashed out at reporters by calling them “Fake News”. He also attempted to silence critics on Twitter and sued the New York Times. The largest and most consequential attempt at media co-optation came with proposed changes to legislation that could eliminate fact-checking from the Internet. Under U.S.C. section 230, online publishers, such as social media companies, are protected from liability for presenting, but also restricting information provided by third parties. This legislation allows Twitter and Facebook to label published information as disputed or not trustworthy. If repealed without replacement, labeling something as factually incorrect could be result in costly lawsuits. Even after having lost the election, Trump threatened to veto military funding unless Section 230 was repealed. Calling Trump’s word into question would have been financially impossible for most providers, had this attempt been successful. In this sense, Trump has attempted media-cooptation.
A third component of the Nazi reign was paramilitary organizations. I wrote:
Paramilitary organizations were also part of the Nazi effort to boost national-majority cohesion. The “Sturmabteilung” (SA) violently attacked and intimidated adversaries, most notably on “Kristallnacht” in 1938, when they carried out large-scale attacks on Jews and political opponents. Thus far, the president-elect’s reaction to post-election racial violence and harassment has been a call to “stop it!” Trump rejected an endorsement from a KKK-linked newspaper before the election, but continued praise from former KKK leader David Duke leaves many Americans concerned about the potential for a rise in SA-type activities. Even more alarming would be any indication that the U.S. government would tolerate violence or racial intimidation from white supremacist groups.
In the wake of the attacks on the Capitol on January 6, direct comparisons to Kristallnacht and Hitler’s early violent power grab, the “Beer Hall Putsch” have been drawn by US politicians. Earlier than that, Trump has refused to condemn deadly right-wing attacks: after the Charlottesville car attack, Trump commented there were “very fine people on both sides”. Instead of rejecting paramilitary organizations threatening violence, Trump simply asked the “Proud Boys” to “stand down”. The threat of paramilitary violence coming from QAnon, local militias, and anti-BLM vigilantes was part of his presidency and culminated in a deadly attack on the US capitol, directly instigated by Trump. However, there is one important difference to Nazi Germany: Trump did not organize and directly control paramilitary organizations, labor service, and youth indoctrination. The Nazis did that with the SA, the Reichsbund organizations, and the Hitler Youth.
Finally, I identified emergency laws as a cornerstone of Nazi rule:
Emergency laws came about in Germany after the 1933 arson attack on the Reichstag (Germany’s parliament). Hitler used the threat of terrorism and foreign aggression to justify sweeping autocratic policies, including the 1933 Enabling Act (which let the government issue laws without the Reichstag). Similarly, the Reichstag Fire Decree in 1933 gave Hitler the power to suspend most Germans’ political and individual rights, effectively outlawing opposition parties. Changing the U.S. Constitution to abolish elections and remove freedom of speech is hardly imaginable. The United States has an uninterrupted democratic history, while Hitler was able to tap into nostalgia for the times under the last German emperor. But the United States has had similar measures in place since Sept. 11, 2001, which have boosted government surveillance while limiting checks and balances on domestic policing and the use of military force.
Trump has attempted to directly control politics while circumventing checks and balances on multiple occasions. However, the US has not seen an abolition of checks and balances comparable to the Enabling Act. Instead, “ruling by decree” was a constant element of his presidency, starting with banning Muslims from entering the country and mobilizing the National Guard during BLM protests. Additionally, he prompted to designate ANTIFA a terrorist organization, which in turn would have lowered legal barriers for employment of force.
With regard to international conflict, the picture is mixed. Trump has made good on his promise to not start a war, but he has come very close at times. Tensions with North Korea increased early on in his presidency, culminating in threats of “fire and fury” and dismissing Steve Bannon for his observation that there is no military option for the Korean peninsula. The assassination of high-ranking Iranian General Qasem Soleimani brought the countries to the brink of war, and retaliatory strikes were conducted against a US base in Iraq.
So what’s the final verdict on the comparison? Clearly, some predictions from 2016 have proven accurate. The rise of racial tensions under Trump and Hitler and analog developments in the four highlighted policy areas add weight to the comparison. But the analogy has failed to predict the course of the United States. Germany in 1933 was still grappling with its defeat in World War I, was experiencing the Great Depression, witnessed very high levels of internal violence between Nazis and Communists, and rejected its foreign-imposed democracy. Some analog circumstances exist in the United States today: the legacy of the 9/11 wars, the COVID crisis and the Great Recession before it, and the deadly violence surrounding riots and protests all fit the overall picture.
But American democracy is home-grown and held in high regard. Major parts of the Republican party, social media providers, and even Trump’s most loyal news outlets have refused to go along with unfounded claims of election interference. The Enabling Act of 1933 turned Germany from a democracy into an autocracy. At a similar junction, the United States turned the other way in 2021.
White House chief of staff John Kelly's confirms Trump's infatuation with Hitler.
OF COURSE TRUMP THINKS HITLER SHOULDN’T BE JUDGED BY THAT ONE GENOCIDE
He reportedly told his chief of staff the führer did “a lot of good things” too.
If aliens were dropped on planet Earth today and for some reason wanted a quick primer on the previous president, perhaps as a way to stop his alien counterpart from gaining power on Mars or Jupiter, the CliffsNotes on Donald Trump would start with the fact that he’s a dangerous moron prone to saying and doing things that elicit the response, “What the f--k is wrong with you?” Obviously some of the main examples illustrating his M.O. include purposely lying to the public about a deadly virus and holding super-spreader rallies with no regard for how contagious it was; throwing an international hissy fit when he was told he couldn’t buy Greenland; and the fact that he’s apparently been telling people he’s going to be president again by next month. And now we have another story that strikes at the heart of Trump’s...unique worldview, which just happens to involve Adolf Hitler.
The Guardian reports that a new book out next week recounts an exchange Trump allegedly had in Europe with his second chief of staff, John Kelly, wherein the president of the United States defended Hitler and argued the guy shouldn’t be judged by that one genocide:
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On a visit to Europe to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of the first world war, Donald Trump insisted to his then chief of staff, John Kelly: “Well, Hitler did a lot of good things.” The remark from the former U.S. president on the 2018 trip, which reportedly “stunned” Kelly, a retired U.S. Marine Corps general, is reported in a new book by Michael Bender of The Wall Street Journal.
Bender reports that Trump made the remark during an impromptu history lesson in which Kelly “reminded the president which countries were on which side during the conflict” and “connected the dots from the first world war to the second world war and all of Hitler’s atrocities.”
Bender says unnamed sources reported that Kelly “told the president that he was wrong, but Trump was undeterred,” emphasizing German economic recovery under Hitler during the 1930s. “Kelly pushed back again,” Bender writes, “and argued that the German people would have been better off poor than subjected to the Nazi genocide.” Bender adds that Kelly told Trump that even if his claim about the German economy under the Nazis after 1933 were true, “you cannot ever say anything supportive of Adolf Hitler. You just can’t.”
Setting aside the fact that the leader of the free world had to be reminded which countries were on which side during World War II, it’s amazing, in a completely terrifying way, that Trump’s staff needed to basically sit him down and say, “Now, what did we talk about, Donny? We’re not going to say anything nice about Hitler in public today, right? Can you remember that?”
Equally scary is the fact that the white supremacist/neo-Nazi contingent of Trump’s supporters would no doubt have loved to hear him proclaim that Hitler did a lot of positive things for society, and it’s extremely easy to imagine him offering some stream of consciousness aside at one of his rallies about how “nobody ever talks about all the good things Hitler accomplished.”
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During a presidential debate in 2020, Trump was asked if he would denounce white supremacists and militia groups. He struggled with the answer and eventually told the far-right Proud Boys group to “stand back and stand by.” In 2017, in the aftermath of a neo-Nazi march in Virginia which earned supportive remarks from Trump, the German magazine Stern used on its cover an illustration of Trump giving a Nazi salute while wrapped in the U.S. flag. Its headline: “Sein Kampf”—his struggle.
In a statement a Trump spokesperson insisted to The Guardian, “President Trump never said this. It is made-up fake news, probably by a general who was incompetent and was fired.” (Trump, you may recall, has a thing for hiring people and then deeming them incompetent after they give an honest accounting of what it was like to work for him.) According to a 1990 Vanity Fair profile by Marie Brenner, Trump kept a book of Hitler’s speeches next to his bed.
Of course Trump isn’t the only member of the Republican Party with a disturbing affection for Nazis. Rep. Paul Gosar has attended at least one event with a known Holocaust denier. Meanwhile, Marjorie Taylor Greene—who made a name for herself blaming California wildfires on Jewish laser beams—has likened mask mandates and encouraging people to get vaccinated against COVID-19 to the systemic murder of 6 million Jews, which some might say downplays the latter.
There is more to the vanityfair article but it goes on about other GOPers and their issue.
Vers, I posted all of this to prove one point, comparing Trump to Hitler and his followers to Nazis, was far from "baseless rhetoric"; but even I will concede he didn't get that far, because Trump was only responsible for a million or so deaths, and luckily some of our democracy's safeguards were able to withstand his assault on our democracy. However, anyone who takes him or his MAGA movement lightly and thinks the worse can never happen here, well they don't live in reality imho. Trump or somebody just like him is likely to be the next republican nominee, not to mention others emulating Trump or emerging from the cesspool of the Trumpian alt-right radicals, extremists, and QAnon types running for lower offices. The whole thing is STILL very much in the early stages and eerily similar to the rise of the German Nazis.
And I also don't think that individuals, like those who support Trump on this board are Nazis or think that way necessarily, and the vast majority of voters who supported him still have at least one oar paddling in reality. Most of those people just want something better and latched on over partisan political views. That said, it doesn't take a genius to see that actual American Nazis, and worldwide far right groups, including dictatorships and authoritarian regimes, all seemed to embrace Trump over his rhetoric. Have you ever seen Putin compliment another POTUS like he did Trump? Have you ever seen another POTUS act subservient to PUTIN, like Trump in Helsinki?
And it is more than fair to criticize them being called fascists, with only the strictest of comparisons to the German Nazi's during the Holocaust in mind. They didn't carry out a genocide here at home... But nobody can deny the similarities in between the MAGA Populist Movement and the rise of Hitler and the Nazi Party, in Germany. And in my opinion, fascism IS the only fitting description for the Trumpian Maga movement now AND going into the future. I base that on much of the information above and my personal feelings. And most of you will disagree on both sides of the aisle. Yet, I don't single out anyone but Trump for this now, but I think others like DeSantis or Abbott are chomping at the bit for a chance to pick the ball up and run with it, taking it all to an even more extreme level. And that level, from the evidence and actions I'm seeing in their current politics, it all screams MAGA FASCISM to me. They seem to be building the ideology as they go, one bat crap crazy thing at a time. Even moderate Republicans spend a ton of time criticizing them and the laws/things they propose or aspire to accomplish.
Furthermore, Trump came to power more rapidly than Hitler, so the organization of his followers and their grip on power was more of a "We finally have great power!, Wtf do we do now?" moment for the alt-right and those who put him in office. You could see that very early on when Donny stood and said, "I'm president, can you believe it?" The disorganized far right populist MAGA movement that swept Trump into power was without question, more chaotic than organized. Now imagine what will happen if Trump gets help or a new guy gets the lead role in 2024 and they take this movement to the next level, nobody can predict exactly what that would look like, but I CAN'T imagine it will be better than trump, dumber than trump, more disorganized than Trump, or any less authoritarian or fascist. Period.
Eventually, rather MAGA takes over America or gets tossed onto history's trash heap of failed ideologies, a term more appropriate than fascism may be coined to describe what we've all experienced, but for now it is the closest thing to a fitting description of what I think we are seeing. And of course I'll get flamed, laughed at, and piled onto just like many did when I predicted violence and bloodshed was coming on January 6th. But Hitler and the Nazis didn't fold after the first setback and neither has the MAGA movement. Time will tell, and I hope you religious types out there pray that I'm wrong. I certainly don't want to be right.
Okay Jester.........you go right on ahead and ignore my message. You are entitled to that opinion and I am entitled to mine which is that you are diminishing the suffering of so many that were at the hands of the evil Nazis by comparing Trump--or anyone else for that matter-to those monsters.
It's always good to know where people stand on morality issues. So, thanks for that, at least.
MORALITY ISSUE? LMAO, that's a good one. So, let's debate morality now... what even is morality? I think it's immoral to force women to have babies they do not want to have, many think the opposite, the ROE debate shows that much. Who gets to define these morals you uphold or bash in your rhetoric? You, obviously. because we only agree in part on what is and is not morally acceptable. What you are truly saying with a statement like "It's always good to know where people stand on morality issues.", is that you are judging based on your self perceived moral high ground and completely dismissing different points of view as wrong because they don't align with your personal morals or exist in your limited world view. And this isn't being said to insult or belittle you, Vers, I'm simply pointing out that feelings ARE NOT FACTS. So just because our biases allow YOU to perceive a thing as this or that based on how it feelZ, the same biases prevent us from always knowing what is simply mIsUnDeRsToOd and what is realZ.
So let's break this down and talk about it. Trump left office and is debatably out of power. The MAGA movement is however still very much in control of right wing politics in America. Other emerging leaders who have embraced the movement and cater to it are on the rise. They are attempting to take away existing rights, destroying any norms or institutions we have in place to protect democracy (or the Republic, for those who think that matters), to accomplish the political, religious, and ideological goals of a small subset in our society. All while a clear majority see those goals as monstrous, cruel, and unAmerican (among other things).
Guys like DeSantis and Abbott seem more dedicated this particular brand of politics and have already acted in more extreme ways than Trump (with exception of the 6th) to accomplish the goals of the base. The "do anything, at any cost" to accomplish our goals mentality is an affront to our traditional politics and political discourse. Yet, MAGA politicians and the base have embraced them and are calling for even more. Sorry you can't see it, but if it walks like a duck... and it closely resembles historical fascism... what should we call it?
Personally, I won't apologize for anything I've said about fascist or fascism. And I won't back off warning others of what I perceive as the greatest threat our democracy has ever faced. Time may prove me wrong, but you or others ranting because you don't like what I have to say? That's never going to stop me or most others like me from calling it the way we see it. I remember when that was a trait beloved on the right, it's actually where I learned it.
You have to be careful these days. Some people have confused thinking having their own opinion is the same thing as having their own set of facts. Opinions vary but there's only one set of facts.
"you guys"? I didn't make up anything about Trump and Russia colluding. I have posted facts showing Russia was involved in interfering. So has every intelligence agency in the U.S. Facts you ignore.
Quote: That's unfair. No way in the world would Trump have executed 6 million people for any reason. No way in the world would have had the military roaming the streets w/machine guns and gunning people down. No way would we have been forced indoors.
Vers, just for a little clarity, according to a book that Mark Esper that was vetted at the highest levels of the pentagon, trump did want to impose the insurrection act in June 2020 and put active military on the streets, especially in DC during the Floyd protests and also shoot them with our active military. Luckily as on many different instances during that presidency, there were adults in the room.
Scoop: Esper says Trump wanted to shoot protesters
Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper charges in a memoir out May 10 that former President Trump said when demonstrators were filling the streets around the White House following the death of George Floyd: "Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?"
Esper, who had earlier been Secretary of the Army, was fired by Trump after the 2020 election. That moment in the first week of June, 2020, "was surreal, sitting in front of the Resolute desk, inside the Oval Office, with this idea weighing heavily in the air, and the president red faced and complaining loudly about the protests under way in Washington, D.C.," Esper writes.
"The good news — this wasn't a difficult decision," Esper continues. "The bad news — I had to figure out a way to walk Trump back without creating the mess I was trying to avoid." Behind the curtain: The book was vetted at the highest levels of the Pentagon. I'm told that as part of the clearance process, the book was reviewed in whole or in part by nearly three dozen 4-star generals, senior civilians, and some Cabinet members.
Context: Esper enraged Trump by publicly stating in June 2020 that he opposed invoking the Insurrection Act — an 1807 law that permits the president to use active-duty troops on U.S. soil — in order to quell protests against racial injustice.
You mean like Iran interfering in the 2020 elections to undermine Trump?
Confirmed by every intelligence agency in the U.S. Facts you ignore.
But it doesn't reflect on Biden winning in 2020 just like it doesn't reflect on Trump winning in 2016.
But you and others suggested it affected 2016 and Trump winning. That is a lie confirmed by every intelligence agency in the US.
Your other promoted accusations are now being proven to be lies in Federal Court by John Durham.
Russia and Iran tried to interfere with 2020 election, U.S. intelligence agencies say
-Russia and Iran both carried out operations to try to interfere in the 2020 presidential election between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, according to a U.S. intelligence report.
-The report also said there are no indications that foreign actors attempted to alter U.S. ballots or vote tabulation.
Iran, meanwhile, “carried out a multi-pronged covert influence campaign intended to undercut former President Trump’s reelection prospects.
I was wondering if you could actually find a slanted article that didn't say Russia was still trying to influence the election for trump. It seems as though you couldn't. So Iran was interfering for trump and Iran was interfering for Biden. I notice you didn't mention a thing about the Russian interference part until you had to produce the evidence. How convenient.
Your vision is so poor I'm amazed you still have the ability to type. But thanks for showing that when you're confronted with the facts you go back to meaningless gibberish. It was the typical result expected.
How Trump’s 2020 Election Lies Have Gripped State Legislatures
LANSING, Mich. — At least 357 sitting Republican legislators in closely contested battleground states have used the power of their office to discredit or try to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, according to a review of legislative votes, records and official statements by The New York Times.
The tally accounts for 44 percent of the Republican legislators in the nine states where the presidential race was most narrowly decided. In each of those states, the election was conducted without any evidence of widespread fraud, leaving election officials from both parties in agreement on the victory of Joseph R. Biden Jr.
The Times’s analysis exposes how deeply rooted lies and misinformation about former President Donald J. Trump’s defeat have become in state legislatures, which play an integral role in U.S. democracy. In some, the false view that the election was stolen — either by fraud or as a result of pandemic-related changes to the process — is now widely accepted as fact among Republican lawmakers, turning statehouses into hotbeds of conspiratorial thinking and specious legal theories.
357 lawmakers took concrete steps to discredit or overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. That amounts to 44 percent of the Republican lawmakers in those states.
23 percent took steps to delay the vote count or overturn the election by supporting lawsuits or by signing letters to Congress or former Vice President Mike Pence.
11 percent supported sending alternate slates of electors to Congress that would override the choices of voters in those states.
7 percent supported a legally dubious theory of “decertification” of the 2020 election, which legal experts say has no basis in U.S. election law.
24 percent of the Republican lawmakers voted for an outside, partisan review of the 2020 election (often referred to as an “audit”). The reviews have been used to justify new voting laws and efforts to decertify the 2020 election.
Legislators in Florida and North Carolina did not face as much pressure to overturn the election because Mr. Trump carried both states. In Nevada, Democrats control the Legislature, and though the state Republican Party pushed for alternate electors, no legislators took action.
These fictions about rigged elections and widespread fraud have provided the foundation for new laws that make it harder to vote and easier to insert partisanship in the vote count. In three states, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, state lawmakers successfully pushed for investigations that sowed doubt about the results and tested the boundaries of their oversight.
And yet The Times’s analysis also shows that these efforts have encountered significant resistance from key Republican figures, as well as Democrats. In most states, the lawmakers who challenged the 2020 results do not yet have the numbers, or the support of governors, secretaries of state or legislative leaders, to achieve their most audacious aims.
They have advanced, but not enacted, legislation that would make it easier for politicians to overturn elections. And it is only a minority of Republican lawmakers who promote the legally dubious view that they — and not the votes of the people — can select the electors who formally cast a ballot for the president in the Electoral College.
Election and democracy experts say they see the rise of anti-democratic impulses in statehouses as a clear, new threat to the health of American democracy. State legislatures hold a unique position in the country’s democratic apparatus, wielding a constitutionally mandated power to set the “times, places and manner of holding elections.” Cheered on by Mr. Trump as he eyes another run for the White House in 2024, many state legislators have shown they see that power as license to exert greater control over the outcome of elections.
In an interview with The Times, Mr. Trump acknowledged that in deciding whom to endorse in state legislative races, he is looking for candidates who want state legislatures to have a say in naming presidential electors — a position that could let politicians short-circuit the democratic process and override the popular vote.
“In 2020, the plan of Trump and his allies hinged ultimately on getting state legislatures to overturn the will of the voters,” said Ben Berwick, a counsel at Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan group. “If past is prologue, that same strategy is likely to be central to efforts to subvert an election in the future.”
The Times’s review provides only a glimpse of the ways that state legislatures fueled the movement to deny and challenge the 2020 results. The analysis focused on concrete actions and did not include lawmakers’ posts on social media or statements they made in campaign speeches.
Some legislators who were among the most vociferous in their support of subverting the election have tried to use their 2020 efforts as a springboard to higher office, all while still pledging to further remove democratic guardrails.
Doug Mastriano, the Republican state senator from Pennsylvania who won his party’s nomination for governor on Tuesday, has pushed the Justice Department to investigate debunked election conspiracies, held a legislative hearing with members of Mr. Trump’s legal team and promised to enact new voting restrictions if elected. Mark Finchem, a Republican state representative in Arizona who has pursued the dubious theory of election decertification, is a candidate for secretary of state in Arizona.
Mr. Trump’s defeat was undisputed among election officials and certified by Democratic and Republican secretaries of state, with slates of electors signed by Democratic and Republican governors. None of the many recounts or audits altered the outcome. Mr. Trump’s Department of Justice found no evidence of widespread fraud. Mr. Trump lost more than 50 of his post-election challenges in court.
His campaign to overturn the defeat played out differently across the states. Mr. Trump won Florida and had no reason to pressure lawmakers to agitate over the result, though they used distrust in the election as justification for new voting restrictions. But in Texas, another state Mr. Trump won, the deeply conservative Legislature was eager to show voters it was taking action and lawmakers introduced a bill that included provisions to overturn results in future elections.
In Nevada, Mr. Trump lost by more than 33,000 votes. But with Democrats in control of the House, Senate and governor’s office, Republicans in the State Legislature showed little interest in joining efforts by the Nevada Republican Party to send an alternate slate of electors after the 2020 election. Nevada is the only one of the nine battleground states where Democrats control the Legislature.
A call for action
Four days before the House of Representatives was set to formally tally the Electoral College votes for Mr. Biden, an act long considered purely ceremonial, Mr. Trump’s advisers gathered more than 300 state legislators on a Zoom call, according to a report by the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.
The former president and his allies pushed for lawmakers to change the certified results sent to Congress. Many experts said such a move would have been unconstitutional.
Peter Navarro, a former top White House adviser, told those in the group that it was their responsibility to act, describing the situation as dire. Mr. Trump told them that legislatures were the linchpin in his strategy, more important than the courts or Congress, according to the report.
The argument was based on the independent state legislature theory which asserts that state legislatures hold absolute and exclusive power over presidential elections, including the appointment of electors to the Electoral College. The idea is purely theoretical; it has never been affirmed by a court decision and most scholars say it has no merit.
Days after Mr. Trump spoke to lawmakers, members of the Pennsylvania state legislature wrote a letter to Senator Mitch McConnell, then the Senate majority leader, and Representative Kevin McCarthy, the Republican leader in the House, asking them to delay certification. On Jan. 5, more than 90 legislators from Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania sent a letter to Vice President Mike Pence asking him to delay the certification of the election.
Mr. Trump has continued to try to convince state legislatures that they can “decertify” the 2020 election, a process that has no basis in either the United States Constitution nor state constitutions.
State lawmakers have responded to Mr. Trump’s calls for action largely by overhauling voting procedures. A total of 34 laws that include restrictions on voting were passed in 2021, according to a review by The Times, and 18 laws were passed this year, according to a report from the States United Democracy Center, a nonprofit group. Some limited drop boxes or mail-in voting. Others put more power over elections in the hands of state legislatures, rather than local election officials or secretaries of state.
Some bills also sought to make it easier for lawmakers to intervene in elections. An early draft of a sweeping Texas election law included a subsection titled “Overturning Elections,” though that provision was dropped before the bill’s final passage. In Arkansas, Republicans granted the State Board of Election Commissioners new powers to take “corrective action” or open investigations at every stage of the voting process. (Arkansas state legislators were not included in the Times analysis because Mr. Trump won the state handily.)
In many states, lawmakers’ first step has been to call for outside partisan investigations, often referred to as “audits,” although they do not follow typical auditing procedures or standards.
‘Audits’ as a gateway
The hunt for fraud in Arizona accelerated in the days after electors had been certified, and showed how a vocal and determined faction of Republican legislators could force through a deeply destabilizing outside election review.
The initial pursuit of fraud would devolve into a yearlong fracas between Republicans and local election officials in Maricopa County, home to Phoenix. The Republican Senate hired a shadowy outside firm with ties to election conspiracy theories to conduct an “audit,” dismissing objections from Republican county officials.
What the “audit” eventually found — that Mr. Biden had indeed won Arizona — proved irrelevant to those who had called for it. Mr. Trump and his allies focused instead on perceived irregularities in the voting process, such as 23,344 mail-in ballots sent from voters’ prior addresses and election management databases that were purged. Both practices are legal and common.
Local election officials found 76 misleading, inaccurate or false claims in the audit report.
Yet many of those claims appeared verbatim in a resolution introduced in February by Mr. Finchem, the Arizona state representative, and sponsored by 13 fellow Republicans in the Legislature. The resolution calls for “decertifying” the election. In announcing the resolution, Mr. Finchem made reference to the independent state legislature theory as a justification.
“While some may say there is no valid constitutional, nor statutory grounds for such an action, they clearly are disregarding longstanding jurisprudence,” Mr. Finchem wrote in an announcement accompanying the resolution.
The path from the reviewto the resolution shows how outside investigations can create pressure for further action.
Republican leaders in the Arizona Legislature haven’t taken up Mr. Finchem’s measure. Russell Bowers, the speaker of the Arizona House and a Republican, said that the State Legislature could only appoint its own electors if “there was proven demonstrable fraud sufficient to cover whatever balance or a gap in voters that existed.” He added, “We did not even come close to that,” and he dismissed the Senate review as a “seat-of-the-pants circus.”
Republican leaders in other battleground states are facing similar upheavals surrounding so-called audit efforts. In Wisconsin, Robin Vos, the Republican speaker of the House, at first resisted launching an outside “forensic audit.” But after public pressure from Mr. Trump, Mr. Vos relented and created a review helmed by Michael Gableman, a former State Supreme Court justice.
Mr. Gableman quickly took the investigation in a different direction. When he released an initial report of his findings in March, Mr. Gableman argued for “decertification.” One state representative, Timothy Ramthun, has put the call to decertify at the center of his campaign for governor.
Remaking legislatures in the next election
Legislative leaders have repeatedly acted as firewalls blocking anti-democratic efforts from moving forward. In the days after the election, the Republican speaker of the House and the Senate president from Michigan rebuffed Mr. Trump’s personal pleas to support an alternate slate of electors, even after being summoned to the White House.
Mr. Trump has not forgotten. Since then, he has made transforming the Michigan Legislature a pet project. He has endorsed 10 candidates for state legislative seats — including some who are challenging Republican incumbents — and is seeking to play kingmaker in the already brewing fight over who will be speaker of the House.
In the interview, Mr. Trump, who won seven million fewer votes than Mr. Biden, spread blame for his loss across several targets, including Vice President Pence, Mr. McConnell and state lawmakers.
“The legislatures, the local Republicans, lost the election,” he said.
Trump-endorsed candidates for state legislative seats have taken note.
Jonathan Lindsey, a Trump-endorsed candidate for the Michigan State Senate, said that at a minimum he thinks the State Legislature should vote on electors if an election is disputed. Regarding the 2020 election, he added: “If I were in that seat, I would have voted to send Trump electors.”
These Trumpian politicians think they will just get away with stealing the election next time and have put a traitorous contingency plan in place to have stupid for Trump reps to be the bagmen and overturn results in red states. They must like buildings burning down around them... the left will never let this happen. And they wonder why there is violence.
357 lawmakers took concrete steps to discredit or overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. That amounts to 44 percent of the Republican lawmakers in those states.
Yet, is races down ballot, they questioned nothing or very little.. Also, in elections where republicans won, there was no call for review. So it was only the presidential election that was under review?
357 lawmakers took concrete steps to discredit or overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. That amounts to 44 percent of the Republican lawmakers in those states.
Yet, is races down ballot, they questioned nothing or very little.. Also, in elections where republicans won, there was no call for review. So it was only the presidential election that was under review?
Something like 100 percent of Democrats did everything possible to shut down any Republican who dared to question the election results.
If it walks like a donkey and talks like a donkey....
357 lawmakers took concrete steps to discredit or overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. That amounts to 44 percent of the Republican lawmakers in those states.
Yet, is races down ballot, they questioned nothing or very little.. Also, in elections where republicans won, there was no call for review. So it was only the presidential election that was under review?
Something like 100 percent of Democrats did everything possible to shut down any Republican who dared to question the election results.
If it walks like a donkey and talks like a donkey....
357 lawmakers took concrete steps to discredit or overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. That amounts to 44 percent of the Republican lawmakers in those states.
Yet, is races down ballot, they questioned nothing or very little.. Also, in elections where republicans won, there was no call for review. So it was only the presidential election that was under review?
Something like 100 percent of Democrats did everything possible to shut down any Republican who dared to question the election results.
If it walks like a donkey and talks like a donkey....
Oh come one now. There have been tons of disparaging remarks poking fun at Biden's speech impediment. You think this place is for serious political discussion ? You can't take a joke? There are a handful of threads with a handful of intelligent discussion. The rest is full of BS. Take the fake outrage and indignation elsewhere.
That speech impediment only showed up in the last few years. I know people want to claim he's had it forever. But facts don't lie. He's lost now. 10 years ago? No speech impediment, at all.
And while we're at it, who's pulling his strings? he's had over 40 years of being in politics and..................? Things haven't gotten better. Other than his bank account, and his son's bank account.
But keep on with the names. It's very becoming of the left: "Hey, we can say what we want, but don't you dare say anything about our guy."
Oh come one now. There have been tons of disparaging remarks poking fun at Biden's speech impediment. You think this place is for serious political discussion ? You can't take a joke? There are a handful of threads with a handful of intelligent discussion. The rest is full of BS. Take the fake outrage and indignation elsewhere.
That speech impediment only showed up in the last few years. I know people want to claim he's had it forever. But facts don't lie. He's lost now. 10 years ago? No speech impediment, at all.
And while we're at it, who's pulling his strings? he's had over 40 years of being in politics and..................? Things haven't gotten better. Other than his bank account, and his son's bank account.
But keep on with the names. It's very becoming of the left: "Hey, we can say what we want, but don't you dare say anything about our guy."
You’ll Never Guess Which Celebs Have Speech Impediments! Home»Speech/Language Pathology»You’ll Never Guess Which Celebs Have Speech Impediments! Posted By Allied Travel Careers on Oct 8, 2014 | 0 comments 3/5 - (1 vote) celebrities with speech impediments Even though we don’t always like to admit it, the majority of us lead pretty basic lives compared to that of celebrities. I mean, how many times a day do you see your face on the TV screen or inside a magazine? Probably not so often, unless it’s in your facility’s newspaper. With their perfect hair, makeup, lips, eyes, fingernails, clothes, abs and everything else, it might be pretty hard to think about celebrities being “just like us” when they aren’t on the big screen. But, there is a list of celebs that have seen SLPs like YOU for their speech impediments. You’ll never guess which celebs had or currently still have speech impediments; here’s a list of some of the well-known: 1. Nicole Kidman: You never would have thought this Oscar award-winning actress suffered with a stuttering problem while growing up. Through the help of her speech therapist and hard work, she overcame her speech impediment (great work!) 2. Drew Barrymore: Although it’s not completely concealed, Drew Barrymore has made her lisp one of her many charming aspects. 3. Michael Phelps: You don’t need to be able to pronounce the letters s, z, f, t and d perfectly in order to earn a gold medal–Phelps doesn’t let his lisp get in the way of winnin’ big! 4. Mike Tyson: Probably one of the most distinct voices in Hollywood, Mike Tyson is well-known for his high voice and lisp– but don’t get it twisted, growing up his lisp caused him to get into many fights with those who were brave enough to make fun of him. 5. Barbara Walters: She’s been around for decades, making a name for herself and interviewing countless celebrities. Despite her being ridiculed for her lisp, she quit her speech therapy lessons and has accepted her speech impediment– congrats to her! 6. Susan Olsen: More commonly known as “Cindy Brady,” we all have heard her adorable lisp at some point in her childhood success. However, thanks to surgery she has since corrected her infamously “cute” lisp. 7. Bruce Willis: As a star in over 60 movies, it’s not commonly known that he struggled with stuttering throughout his younger years. Scared that it would ruin his dreams of acting, Bruce actually felt that it helped him to overcome his speaking issues. 8. Joseph Biden: VP Joe Biden also had a stuttering problem while growing up but has since been able to overcome it before he was first elected to the Senate back in 1973! 9. Tiger Woods: As one of the most successful golfers of all time, Tiger Woods used pet speech therapy to overcome his stuttering issues as a child. He would practice speaking correctly to his dog day in and day out! 10. Daffy Duck: Maybe one of the most known “celebs” with a lisp! Maybe your next travel assignment will lead you to become a celebrity’s speech therapist? Who knows–after all, you are in control of your next destination with Allied Travel Careers.
Joe Biden writes essay about his speech impediment
MARCH 10, 2011 / 4:31 PM / CBS NEWS
Vice President Joe Biden makes a phone call on a train at Union Station in Washington, D.C., Feb. 8, 2011. AP (CBS) The story of the stuttering monarch chronicled in "The King's Speech" continues to inspire.
Its screenwriter, David Seidler, has said King George's struggle to overcome his speech impediment compelled Seidler to write the movie.
Now Vice President Joe Biden has opened up about his struggles with childhood stuttering as a result of seeing the film.
Pictures: The King's Speech
In an essay for People magazine, Biden writes, "I was in 7th grade at St. Helena's and I still remember the reading: 'Sir Walter Raleigh was a gentleman...' I remember reciting, "Sir Walter Raleigh was a gentle man." The nun said, "Master B-B-B-Biden! What's that word?"
He writes that he broke sentences into smaller pieces and pronounced "gentleman" as "gentle man" to avoid stuttering.
"[A] couple of nuns taught me to put a cadence to my speaking, and that's why I spent so much time reading poetry - Emerson and Yeats. But even in my small, boys' prep school, I got nailed in Latin class with the nickname Joe Impedimenta. You get so desperate, you're so embarrassed."
The essay appears in the Friday print edition of People magazine. Read the excerpt here.
The embedded tweets don't copy and pat but here is one from 2015 referring to a 1994 exchange with a young stutterer
Internet unearths Joe Biden’s touching 1994 letter to a boy with a speech impediment Two decades later, Joe Biden was reminded of the impact of a simple handwritten letter. Josh Katzowitz Josh Katzowitz IRL Posted on Jul 3, 2015 Updated on May 28, 2021, 10:37 am CDT When Beau Biden, the son of Vice President Joe Biden, died at the end of May, the nation, with the possible exception of Ted Cruz, mourned his loss.
This week, though, a man named Skip Brooks made one of the most touching gestures of all. First, Brooks—a former prosecutor in Delaware who had a speech impediment as a kid—tweeted this.
As the note from Biden reads,
Dear Brandon,
It was a pleasure meeting you yesterday. You are a fine — bright — young man with a great future ahead of you if you continue to work hard. Remember what I told you about stuttering. You can beat it just like I did. When you do, you will be a stronger man for having won. Also remember, every time you are tempted to make fun of someone with a problem, how it feels when you are made fun of. Treat everyone with respect and you will be respected yourself.
Your friend, Joe Biden
Brooks went on to write that after Biden noticed that the eighth-grader had a stutter, he took him aside and told the youngster that Biden never let his own stutter interfere with his life goals and that he would go out of his way to speak in public or act in plays in order to force himself to overcome his impediment.
And more proof that this exchange actually happened.
At the time, Biden was a U.S. senator from Delaware, and the gesture he made—and the time it took him to write the letter—is heartwarming. But the story gets better.
Biden, or whomever runs Biden’s Twitter account, noticed Brooks’s tweet and responded in kind.
And then, the heartwarming conclusion.
But these kinds of tales aren’t necessarily so rare for Biden and his former First State constituents. As Brooks told the Daily Mail, “In Delaware, everybody has a Joe Biden story.”
I am not on either side, but the constant name-calling, labeling, bullying, ganging-up to attack anyone w/an opposing opinion, and constant use of insults by several posters on the left is a very bad look and extremely off-putting.
I am not on either side, but the constant name-calling, labeling, bullying, ganging-up to attack anyone w/an opposing opinion, and constant use of insults by several posters on the left is a very bad look and extremely off-putting.
I never make fun of people for having bad opinions - I make fun of people for having bad facts....
People are entitled to their own opinion - they should, at first, be corrected when they quote bad facts (we all have things we don't know -- which is not something you should be embarrassed about). Then they should be ridiculed when they continue to assert things that are demonstrably wrong.
That speech impediment only showed up in the last few years. I know people want to claim he's had it forever. But facts don't lie. He's lost now. 10 years ago? No speech impediment, at all.
And while we're at it, who's pulling his strings? he's had over 40 years of being in politics and..................? Things haven't gotten better. Other than his bank account, and his son's bank account.
But keep on with the names. It's very becoming of the left: "Hey, we can say what we want, but don't you dare say anything about our guy."
You know -= my comment wasn't about bashing or protecting Biden - it was about "Palus Politicus" and taking a jest and trying to show manufactured outrage. I'm no Biden defender - but I have clicked on two recent videos posted that do nothing but mock the man's speech impediment. So there's that.
And claiming this is some sort of Left thing is another lie - but you do you. Be fake outraged all you want.
I am not on either side, but the constant name-calling, labeling, bullying, ganging-up to attack anyone w/an opposing opinion, and constant use of insults by several posters on the left is a very bad look and extremely off-putting.
Sure - thankfully we don't have posters going on multi-post rants calling other posters with a different opinion "EVIL" .... oh wait, yes we do. That was you.
I was not thinking of you when I made my observation. In fact, I actually enjoyed the discourse I had w/you and Jester on the Mass Killings thread. We did not really agree w/one another, but the talk was civil and I thought it was productive. In my previous post, I think I used a phrase similar to "several posters on the left." It's undeniable that they resort to those tactics. I will say that I do not ever visit political sites and rarely follow political commentary. So, I imagine that there are many other places where those on the right our far more insulting than those on the left. I remember back in the day how hateful souls like Rush Limbaugh turned me off and only reinforced my belief that those on the right fought dirty. On this particular site, the ugly people by a large majority are on the left and they only weaken their position in the eyes of those who wish for honesty and fairness when they resort to such underhanded tactics.
Sure - thankfully we don't have posters going on multi-post rants calling other posters with a different opinion "EVIL" .... oh wait, yes we do. That was you.
I was called vile.. which is an anagram for... I'll let you do the puzzle.
Sure - thankfully we don't have posters going on multi-post rants calling other posters with a different opinion "EVIL" .... oh wait, yes we do. That was you.
I was called vile.. which is an anagram for... I'll let you do the puzzle.
So you were called Vile. Was that acceptable? Does the person that called you vile spend multiple posts each week talking about how other posters call people names? When I was called Evil in multiple posts over and over - I didn't respond other than to highlight the hypocrisy - and I will continue to do that. If the person who called you vile ever started making posts about not name calling etc - I'd think you'd be 1000% justified in calling them out each time they do it.
So you were called Vile. Was that acceptable? Does the person that called you vile spend multiple posts each week talking about how other posters call people names? When I was called Evil in multiple posts over and over - I didn't respond other than to highlight the hypocrisy - and I will continue to do that. If the person who called you vile ever started making posts about not name calling etc - I'd think you'd be 1000% justified in calling them out each time they do it.
Considering the source it was more funny than anything.
On this particular site, the ugly people by a large majority are on the left and they only weaken their position in the eyes of those who wish for honesty and fairness when they resort to such underhanded tactics.
Ah, the morality police has arrived! The guy who goes around whining that he's a victim. The guy who rates posts as "good post" or "evil" like he's talking to children in a classroom. The guy who decides what is mean and who is mean. The one who constantly chides those on the left while ignoring those on the right. The one who tells the people who own and control the board what they are doing wrong, how the board should should be run and what should and should not be allowed in certain forums. The one who posts obvious lies and then when is called on it runs for the hills and refuses to address the lies he told.
Maybe it's time you realize you're no better than anyone else and the posters on this board aren't in your classroom. You're no longer the teacher. And thank god for that. If you ran a classroom the way you conduct yourself in here I feel sorry for your former students.
I find this hilarious. In a thread about Jan. 6th the best they can come up with is they think Biden is senile. Even if it were true maybe it's a better option than Trump.
I mean Biden isn't spreading lies to incite people to try to overthrow our election results. He isn't sewing the seeds of chaos and discord purposefully around our nation. He isn't calling anyone and everyone who disagrees with him nasty names and making up lies about them. He isn't paying off porn stars and lying about it. I could keep going but everyone with a brain understands what pond scum Trump is.
But hey, the only thing they can do to address Jan. 6th is try to distract you from the reality of it.
And then they ask something stupid like "Who's really running the country?" They must have forgotten how any of this is supposed to work. Unlike trump, normal presidents appoint experts to advise them because they understand there are just too many topics, international policies, health topics, education policies and several other things that they need experts to fill them in on the details in order to better make informed decisions.
Unless you have that dictator mentality that you expect blind loyalty, you will only surround yourself with people who agree with everything you say and always agree with you no matter how nutty the things you say are. Anyone who disagrees with you, you fire and call names.
Maybe they just got so used to that while trump was president that's how they think things are supposed to work?
Being the self appointed expert I'm sure you think everyone should agree with you. Like you're not guilty of exactly what I posted. And still refusing to man up and address me directly.
Having a chance to read some posts from 888 and Pit..........do you now see what I mean about how some posters on the left conduct themselves on here?
Only one poster on here spammed the board calling another poster EVIL because that poster disagreed with him. You can't keep "888" out of your posts. You are everything you rail against and I'll continue to call your hypocrisy every time I see it.
I just took a trip to visit president Trump in jail but guess what?
Pfft!
Nada
Oh Geez, I didn't think they investigation phase was complete yet... Maybe that's why he's not in Jail,,,,,
The sad part about this Daman, is that you and I both know what a POS Trump is and that he has gotten away with this crap several times. And this time they have it ALL. Evidence, conspiracy, collusion, hate, murder, and insurrection are all provable and documented. BUT somehow we both also know the slimeball will probably get away with this too. And there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.
I just took a trip to visit president Trump in jail but guess what?
Pfft!
Nada
Oh Geez, I didn't think they investigation phase was complete yet... Maybe that's why he's not in Jail,,,,,
The sad part about this Daman, is that you and I both know what a POS Trump is and that he has gotten away with this crap several times. And this time they have it ALL. Evidence, conspiracy, collusion, hate, murder, and insurrection are all provable and documented. BUT somehow we both also know the slimeball will probably get away with this too. And there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.
We've had the documented proof in two impeachment hearings and as you pointed out, Trump got away with it. Both times, the results were rigged in the Senate... Republicans unwilling or not heroic enough to vote for Truth was the reason those actions failed..
If I understand this right, this time, no politicians will be involved.... Only courts. Just my guess, but the events will go something like this.
Jan 6 committee will hold open hearings.
AG will indicted Trump
Trials will commence.
Outcome TBD.
So this time, between NY and the Federal Governments, they might just have him.
Only time will tell.... and the time is VERY VERY CLOSE
Withholding funds already appropriated and telling a foreign government to dig for dirt on a political rival as a favor - that's as black and white as it gets. Politics got in the way for all but a handful of Republicans. Don't hold your breath on Jan 6th - despite what might seem obvious, proving motive and intent in a court of law based on anything less than black and white text or testimony is just not going to happen. No matter how many smoking guns - no matter the amount of circumstantial or even coincidence evidence. I'd lower your expectations and claims.
This is not from the Jan 6 committee-this is from the DOJ-He had (2) FBI agents knocking on his door and he has to appear tomorrow-he gots some explaining to do.
Peter Navarro, a former White House aide to Donald Trump, says he’s been served a grand jury subpoena by federal prosecutors probing the Jan. 6 insurrection — and claims they have asked for records of “any communications” with the former president.
I just took a trip to visit president Trump in jail but guess what?
Pfft!
Nada
Oh Geez, I didn't think they investigation phase was complete yet... Maybe that's why he's not in Jail,,,,,
The sad part about this Daman, is that you and I both know what a POS Trump is and that he has gotten away with this crap several times. And this time they have it ALL. Evidence, conspiracy, collusion, hate, murder, and insurrection are all provable and documented. BUT somehow we both also know the slimeball will probably get away with this too. And there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.
Nope, no Trump but guess who WAS in jail???
Yep, the left's darling presidential candidate, Michael Avenatti. Oh how you guys gushed over him!
The only people who said he was a candidate for the left were people like you. It takes a scum bag to catch a scum bag. Avenatti busted Trump by proving he paid off a porn star. You still can't deal with that reality.
I'm glad Avenatti has been locked up. But I won't deny it wasn't fun watching a person "just like Trump" manipulate and lie in the media "just like Trump".
Hmmm.......You, and the person before you, totally ignore that Avenatti was serving 2 1/2 years for a conviction of extortion against Nike, and now got another 2 1/2 years for stealing from Stormy. But "trump, trump, trump......"
And yes, there WERE some touting him for president. Go back and read those threads, if you can find him. And yes, the left was slobbering all over Avenatti at the time, when they felt he was serving a purpose for them.
Who touted it? Was it what you and your cohorts describe as "the liberals"? And since you're bringing up what people are talking about, can you tell me WTH Avenatti has to do with the topic of "January 6th fallout p4"? You didn't seem to have a problem with 450 throwing that in from left field.
What part of "it takes a scum bag to catch a scum bag" are you missing? I openly called Avenatti a scum bag and 888 said he is glad Avenatti was locked up.
But just ignore all of that.
And let me ask you this, would 40 have even been talking about or mentioning Avenatti if he hadn't gone after and proven Trump paid off a porn star? I'll give you a hint. No he wouldn't. because nobody even knew who the hell he was until then.
Who touted it? Was it what you and your cohorts describe as "the liberals"? And since you're bringing up what people are talking about, can you tell me WTH Avenatti has to do with the topic of "January 6th fallout p4"?
Oh, so now you're vers, telling people what they can and can't post in a thread? I thought you were against that, until apparently you are for it?
I asked you simple questions. You are making things up out of thin air. Either Avenatti has something to do with January 6th or not. I never said anything about whether it was okay to post it or not.
Dude, I have a life. Dear Lord, you run willy nilly into every thread and post...............it would be amazing to me if I get back on here in an hour or 2 and pit isn't listed as the last poster in almost every thread.
And Avenatti is pertinent as much as trump is - it's people like you that bring trump up in EVERY single thread. Deflection from biden and the economy, I know.
And the reversals on people that adored hillary at the time, now saying they didn't support her? Hilarious.
You are hilarious. I'm retired. You work. And you make that sound like you have a life and I don't. I see you actually addressed nothing I asked you. No, I do not bring trump up in every single thread. But here's the actual, funny part about that.
trump is still running the republican party. He is still actively out campaigning and endorsing candidates. He is the leading contender for the 2020 Republican nomination for president. He is still out spreading the lies that led to January 6th. Yet your and some others answer to that?
"All you do is talk about trump." You keep trying to silence us as the Republican hopeful to become president in 2024 is still on the campaign trail. And you think anyone really takes that seriously?
Look, if you still can't figure out the current economy wasn't caused by long term policies by both parties, I can't help you.
I always said I didn't support hillary. I said multiple times that I didn't vote for her. OCD couldn't stand her.
I probably wouldn't have voted for biden either but I witnessed what happened when I didn't vote for hillary.
So Anenatti was pertinent to bring up in a January 6th thread? And replying as to why Avenatti was brought up in that thread is your issue?
There's actually nothing in your post that makes sense, other than your revisionist history. Your inability to even say you blamed trump for everything, the lies you post ..........eh, you're not worth it to me.
you're retired? Cool. Get a life instead of posting incessantly and non stop on some message board. heck of a retirement you must have, sitting at the computer for 12 hours or so a day.
The only people who said he was a candidate for the left were people like you. It takes a scum bag to catch a scum bag. Avenatti busted Trump by proving he paid off a porn star. You still can't deal with that reality.
This might be a right wing rag but they took actual quotes and video clips of some on the left who were pushing him as a candidate.
The only people who said he was a candidate for the left were people like you. It takes a scum bag to catch a scum bag. Avenatti busted Trump by proving he paid off a porn star. You still can't deal with that reality.
This might be a right wing rag but they took actual quotes and video clips of some on the left who were pushing him as a candidate.
Yup. Pretty much every left wing msm was involved. But, pit says no, blames it Conservatives. He forgets the stuff posted back then by he, and a few others on here.
I dude is serving 5 years for extortion and theft. His name ain't trump.
He was absolutely a media darling at the time - he appeared to be a clean cut, eloquent lawyer who was taking it to Donny. And he had a salacious story with a porn star and Trump. Of course the media gobbled it up. Are you suggesting they shouldn't have ???? And I mentioned earlier - I can't deny it was very fun to hear someone talk to Trump the way Trump deals with others.
Like the rioters - like Hunter Biden - like Hilary .... I hope the law fully prosecutes those that break and flout the law. I am glad Avenatti is serving time for being Douche. He's earned it.
I don't watch MSM news or opinion shows ... so thanks for sharing these and some of the others. I don't watch them all but click on some when I have the time. That was very compelling. I've never heard of Denver Riggleman before - no doubt he will get brandished a RINO by Trump and the crazy Q followers. I hope they have this data nailed down and irrefutable no matter who is or is not involved.
The level of corruption inside the trump administration and what these people were plotting to do is astounding.
It is proof of the hypocrisy of the false patriotism these same people wrap themselves in. Power corrupts absolutely. Those involved are the worst kinds of criminals. They are the same as crooked cops and pedifile priests.
No kidding and this Ginni Thomas / Clarence Thomas angle just adds and takes it to a whole new level. Honestly - as disgusted by the leaked opinion trying to overturn Roe vs Wade on the back of a really poor justification .... I am 10x more shocked and concerned by the craziness and influence Ginni was trying to instigate.
The only people who said he was a candidate for the left were people like you. It takes a scum bag to catch a scum bag. Avenatti busted Trump by proving he paid off a porn star. You still can't deal with that reality.
This might be a right wing rag but they took actual quotes and video clips of some on the left who were pushing him as a candidate.
Your inability to even say you blamed trump for everything, the lies you post ..........eh, you're not worth it to me.
Yet here you are continuing to post to me. What lies?
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you're retired? Cool. Get a life instead of posting incessantly and non stop on some message board. heck of a retirement you must have, sitting at the computer for 12 hours or so a day.
You obviously lack the ability to follow time stamps. Why are you so concerned with how I spend my time? Why does it bother you so much and why are you whining about it? You're a very petty little man.
Maybe you should spend more time worrying about your oen life instead of worrying about mine. I'm doing just fine. And somehow I think that bothers you.
Yup. Pretty much every left wing msm was involved. But, pit says no, blames it Conservatives. He forgets the stuff posted back then by he, and a few others on here.
I dude is serving 5 years for extortion and theft. His name ain't trump.
Facts matter. To some.
Here's your problem. Your claim is, as in bold, that posters on this board were promoting him for president. Yet you have no receipts to back that up. All you have is some on the left were. And not a large percentage of them. As per usual you made claims that are false and then blame others for revisionist history and lying. You're hilarious.
And once again, 40 brought up Avenatti that proved Trump was a scum bag and a liar which has nothing to do with Jan. 6th. But keep droning on about something you can't back up.
Grand jury indicts former Trump adviser Peter Navarro for contempt of Congress
A federal grand jury has indicted former Trump White House adviser Peter Navarro for contempt of Congress after he refused to cooperate in the House January 6 committee’s investigation.
According to the Justice Department, Navarro will make an appearance in court Friday at 2:30 p.m. ET in Washington.
He faces two contempt counts: one for his failure to produce documents demanded by the committee and the second for failing to show up for subpoenaed testimony before House investigators.
The House had voted in April to refer Navarro to the Justice Department for not complying with the select committee’s February subpoena.
Navarro had claimed that he was unable to cooperate because former President Donald Trump had asserted executive privilege in the matter. The committee had countered those arguments by citing for example that many of the topics it wanted to discuss with him he had already written about in great detail in his book.
The indictment comes after Navarro revealed Monday that he had been subpoenaed by federal prosecutors who were seeking documents related to his decision. Navarro said in an interview with MSNBC Thursday night that he “responded” to the Justice Department, but he declined to say he would be willing to turn over the documents requested by prosecutors.
The subpoena from the US Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia specifically requests “all documents relating to the subpoena dated February 9, 2022, that you received from the House Select Committee to investigate the January 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol, including but not limited to any communications with former President Trump and/or his counsel or representatives.”
These cowboys spent the whole of Trump's admin trying to break norms, act like they were above the law and could do as they pleased. I hope he gets burned for as much as legally viable.
Marc Short, the former chief of staff to Vice President Mike Pence and an early member of his 2024 presidential campaign in-waiting, warned the Secret Service that former President Donald Trump was about to publicly attack his boss the day before the January 6 insurrection.
The new reporting from The New York Times — part of Maggie Haberman's upcoming book "Confidence Man: The Making of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America" — describes Short as unsure of the specific nature of the threat. But Short was concerned that Trump's efforts to pressure Pence into halting the official certification of election results could pose a security threat to Pence, multiple sources involved told Haberman.
On January 5, Trump tweeted a call for Pence to reject the results and, according to the new reporting from the Times, tried convincing some of his informal advisors to go up to the VP's residence at the Naval Observatory to pressure him.
After Trump spoke with Pence and once again pushed him to obstruct the peaceful transfer of power, Short called Pence's lead Secret Service agent, Tim Giebels, to his office and warned him that Trump would publicly attack Pence.
During the storming of the Capitol, rioters chanted "hang Mike Pence," and Secret Service officers quickly escorted Pence to an undisclosed secure location.
Ahead of Short's alert to the agency — which declined to comment for the Times story, as did a spokesperson for Pence — Trump officials were ratcheting up the pressure for the VP's team to help overturn the election results.
Former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows told Short that Trump decided to withhold funding for a post-White House office for Pence.
As part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by Insider, the names and salaries of Trump and Pence post-White House staffers were disclosed for the first time.
Pence also received a request to meet with former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell while on vacation in Vail, Colorado, according to the report, which did not specify whether the meeting ever materialized.
Amid the building tensions, Short reached out to top Trump aide and son-in-law Jared Kushner to ask "how he could defuse what was becoming an untenable clash between the Pence and Trump camps," according to the Times.
Kushner didn't take him up on the request, telling Short he was busy with negotiations in the Middle East, according to the report. Kushner would later declare an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict despite no formal peace agreement and continued killings, with Israeli forces fatally shooting two Palestinians earlier this week.
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ahh, our christian believing, freedom loving patriots chanting "hang mike pence" leading up to the insurrection that day.
imagine having to call the secret service and informing them that the POTUS is about to publicly trash his own VP due to a potential security threat, which it most certainly was.
now imagine being a republican voter who will vote for that same POTUS in 2024 if he's on the primary ballot, and then answer this: why in god's name should i trust anybody who votes republican?
Navarro was arrested at the airport yesterday. He refused to answer to a subpoena to appear before the committee. He refused a subpoena to hand over documents. Then he whined about it being a conspiracy and how he was treated like a commoner. You know, the same way the rest of us would be treated if we refused to answer to a subpoena.
Does he not understand that they hear the things he says? lmao.
welcome to the real world, broskie! yes, lying to the feds gets people in trouble. never in my life did i expect a sitting congressman to say some obvious crap like this as if he's completely shocked.
The only people who said he was a candidate for the left were people like you. It takes a scum bag to catch a scum bag. Avenatti busted Trump by proving he paid off a porn star. You still can't deal with that reality.
Let's not forget, Avenatti is a scum bag.. I'm firmly convinced he talked stormy into going public in the way that she did...
He's pure scum...
I think he ran as a democrat but any republican that supported trump simply has no room to talk.... They supported a scumbag also...
Navarro was arrested at the airport yesterday. He refused to answer to a subpoena to appear before the committee. He refused a subpoena to hand over documents. Then he whined about it being a conspiracy and how he was treated like a commoner. You know, the same way the rest of us would be treated if we refused to answer to a subpoena.
He was on Ari Melber show on MSNBC a couple days ago and I watched some of it. It was alot of back and forth. He said that he told the FBI that if they needed something, let him know and he will comply. He was subpoenaed to show up and give them the correspondence between him and trump. He didn't show up so they got him in public before he got on a plane, put him in cuffs and leg irons in jail and held him for 7 hours.
It gets insane after a while, talking about the kangaroo court, that if the repubs take over the house they are impeaching Biden for Ukraine and immigration. and if trump gets back in in 24, they are going to have their DOJ arrest the people who didn't go along with the big lie, including the 1/6 committee
Navarro was arrested at the airport yesterday. He refused to answer to a subpoena to appear before the committee. He refused a subpoena to hand over documents. Then he whined about it being a conspiracy and how he was treated like a commoner. You know, the same way the rest of us would be treated if we refused to answer to a subpoena.
He was on Ari Melber show on MSNBC a couple days ago and I watched some of it. It was alot of back and forth. He said that he told the FBI that if they needed something, let him know and he will comply. He was subpoenaed to show up and give them the correspondence between him and trump. He didn't show up so they got him in public before he got on a plane, put him in cuffs and leg irons in jail and held him for 7 hours.
It gets insane after a while, talking about the kangaroo court, that if the repubs take over the house they are impeaching Biden for Ukraine and immigration. and if trump gets back in in 24, they are going to have their DOJ arrest the people who didn't go along with the big lie, including the 1/6 committee
GOP Moved From Conservative Principles to 'Cult of Personality': Riggleman
Former Representative Denver Riggleman said Sunday that the Republican Party has "moved away from conservative principles," to a "cult of personality" surrounding former President Donald Trump.
His comments came during an interview on CNN after he was asked about remarks made by Representative Liz Cheney, a Wyoming Republican, who said there is "absolutely a cult of personality around Donald Trump" within segments of her party, in an interview that was released Friday.
Riggleman, a Virginia Republican, lost his primary reelection campaign in 2020. Last year, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi picked him to serve as an adviser to the House select committee that is investigating the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot. However, he said he was leaving the committee in April to work with a nonprofit organization in Ukraine.
During his interview on State of the Union,host Jake Tapper played the statement from Cheney saying that "it is contrary to everything conservatives believe to embrace a personality cult, and yet, that is what so many in my party are doing today."
"Do you agree with that characterization...To many Republicans, it's a personality cult, not a party?" Tapper asked.
"It is, and I got to see that firsthand as you know with our team and the text messages...," Riggleman responded.
Tapper then interjected by asking: "You were a Republican congressman. Do you still consider yourself a Republican?"
"I think the party left me some time ago, I don't," the former lawmaker said. "What I've seen behind the scenes has even pushed me further away, that the party has moved away from conservative principles to this cult of personality that Liz Cheney is talking about. She's absolutely correct."
"And when you see it behind the door, when you see the data, when you see the investigation, when you see those smart people and what they come up with Jake, it's absolutely stunning that cult of personality, but also the belief systems that I don't any real conservative could follow at any point," Riggleman continued.
The former congressman said he now considers himself an independent.
Associated Press Proud Boys charged with seditious conspiracy in Capitol riot
MICHAEL KUNZELMAN Mon, June 6, 2022, 3:52 PM·3 min read
The former top leader of the far-right Proud Boys extremist group and other members have been charged with seditious conspiracy for what federal prosecutors say was a coordinated attack on the U.S. Capitol to stop Congress from certifying President Joe Biden’s 2020 electoral victory, authorities said Monday.
Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, the former Proud Boys chairman, and four others linked to the group are charged in the latest indictment against them. All five were previously charged with different conspiracy counts.
Tarrio, the group’s top leader, wasn’t in Washington, D.C., when the riot erupted on Jan. 6, 2021. Police arrested Tarrio in Washington two days before the riot and charged him with vandalizing a Black Lives Matter banner at a historic Black church during a protest in December 2020. Tarrio was released from jail on Jan. 14 after serving his five-month sentence for that case.
The new riot-related indictments against Proud Boys members are among the most serious filed so far, but they aren't the first of their kind.
Eleven members or associates of the anti-government Oath Keepers militia group, including its founder and leader Stewart Rhodes, were indicted in January on seditious conspiracy charges in the Capitol attack.
More than three dozen people charged in the Capitol siege have been identified by federal authorities as Proud Boys leaders, members or associates.
A New York man pleaded guilty in December to storming the U.S. Capitol with fellow Proud Boys members. Matthew Greene was the first Proud Boys member to publicly plead guilty to conspiring with other members to stop Congress from certifying the Electoral College vote. Greene agreed to cooperate with authorities.
On the morning of Jan. 6, Proud Boys members met at the Washington Monument and marched to the Capitol before then-President Donald Trump finished speaking to thousands of supporters near the White House.
Just before Congress convened a joint session to certify the election results, a group of Proud Boys followed a crowd of people who breached barriers at a pedestrian entrance to the Capitol grounds, an indictment says. Several Proud Boys also entered the Capitol building itself after the mob smashed windows and forced open doors.
Prosecutors have said the Proud Boys arranged for members to communicate using specific frequencies on Baofeng radios. The Chinese-made devices can be programmed for use on hundreds of frequencies, making it difficult for outsiders to eavesdrop.
In December, a federal judge refused to dismiss an earlier indictment charging four alleged leaders of the far-right Proud Boys with conspiracy. U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly rejected defense attorneys’ arguments that the four men — Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs, Zachary Rehl and Charles Donohoe — were charged with conduct that is protected by the First Amendment right to free speech.
Nordean, of Auburn, Washington, was a Proud Boys chapter president and a member of the group’s national “Elders Council.” Biggs, of Ormond Beach, Florida, is a self-described Proud Boys organizer. Rehl was president of the Proud Boys chapter in Philadelphia. Donohoe, of Kernersville, North Carolina, also served as president of his local chapter, according to the indictment.
Proud Boys members describe the group as a politically incorrect men’s club for “Western chauvinists.” Its members frequently have brawled with antifascist activists at rallies and protests. Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, who founded the Proud Boys in 2016, sued the Southern Poverty Law Center for labeling it as a hate group.
New email shows how the Trump campaign instructed fake electors in Georgia to secretly infiltrate the state's Capitol to cast electoral college votes
Cheryl Teh Mon, June 6, 2022, 11:42 PM·3 min read
The Washington Post obtained an email from Trump's campaign to fake GOP electors.
The email outlined how these electors could infiltrate Georgia's Capitol and sign certificates.
It also asked the scheme's participants for "complete secrecy and discretion" to ensure Trump's win.
A bombshell email obtained by The Washington Post and CNN has unveiled new information on a scheme concocted by former President Donald Trump's campaign in Georgia that involved getting fake electors to cast electoral votes for him.
The email, dated December 13, 2020, contained instructions on how the electors could position themselves to cast electoral college votes in favor of Trump, despite President Joe Biden's victory in the state. Despite the plan, all 16 electoral votes for the state were cast in favor of the Biden-Harris ticket the following day.
In the email sent by a Trump campaign staffer, fake electors were instructed on how to infiltrate the Georgia State Capitol, sign certificates declaring they were there to cast the votes for the state, and ultimately defy the will of the state's voters by voting for Trump instead.
"I must ask for your complete discretion in this process," wrote Robert Sinners, the Trump campaign's elections operations director in Georgia, per the outlets. "Your duties are imperative to ensure the end result — a win in Georgia for President Trump — but will be hampered unless we have complete secrecy and discretion."
According to The Post, the electors were told to inform the building's security guards that they had an appointment with one of the state senators to gain entry.
"Please, at no point should you mention anything to do with Presidential Electors or speak to the media," Sinners wrote in bold text, per the outlet.
Georgia was one of seven states where Trump's allies sent fake documents to the National Archives falsely declaring that he had won in them. The papers bore the signatures of the Trump supporters claiming to be valid electors but were actually rogue individuals who had no legitimate role in certifying election results.
The issue of fake electors in Georgia is currently being investigated by Fani Willis, the Fulton County district attorney.
In a statement to The Post, Sinners said he was merely following instructions from senior campaign staffers and David Shafer, the chairman of the Georgia Republican Party.
"Following the Former President's refusal to accept the results of the election and allow a peaceful transition of power, my views on this matter have changed significantly from where they were on December 13th," said Sinners, who now works for Georgia's Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger — a known Trump enemy.
A lawyer for Shafer told The Post that Shafer had handed over all his communications about the electoral vote to the January 6 committee investigating the Capitol riot.
"None of these communications, nor his testimony, suggest that Mr. Shafer requested or wished for confidentiality surrounding the provisional electors," Shafer's lawyer said, per the outlet.
Trump's representatives did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Insider.
To be 100% accurate Trump didn't say "one more vote" - he asked them to find exactly how many votes needed to overturn the result. I think that's worse to anyone interested in a democracy - for a Trump sycophant it was a perfect phone call, just like the one to Zelensky.
For any single American who believes in the Constitution to ignore what took place Jan 6th and listen to what Riggleman states so clearly.
Then support trump and somehow try to justify what took place that day like it was 1776.
They do not deserve to be citizens of the United States.
To be fair, you gotta look at who's telling things to people. FOX news, Hannity, Carlson... All lying. FOX won't show all the video that is out there of the attack on the capital..They are still telling people that it was Antifa and BLM... And they only show parts of the attack that appear peaceful...
So, Loyal followers of FOX only get part of the story.. NOT the whole story.
The owners of FOX are world renowned for the way they portray anything from the Right. If you look at how many respected journalists have left simply because they won't put up with the lies..
Time for FOX news to held accountable... Also, Brietbart, Bannon, Alex Jones and Infowars.. And we gotta find this guy known as Q. Make them all pay.
SO they have Trump by the nads with evidence, the DOJ is passing out sedition charges to low-level scum, so quote this and tell me if you think he will do even a day in jail. I believe the traitorous seditionist in chief will walk, the dems will try to get him disqualified for 2024 as a consolation prize. I should add that this is what I think now, these public hearings detailing what they've found in detail may change my mind. Personally, I hope they all get significant time. They did the worst thing I've ever seen in this country, and I've seen a lot. I agree with whoever it was that said it was worse than 9-11, not in death tolls or instant shock value, but in its attack on the country and the long-term damage done.
Except Faux News hasn't committed... imagine that! Fox, OANN, and Tucker Carlson should be next in the sweatbox for feeding this crapstorm with misinformation. Hannity and Ingraham, deserve a little too for all their misinformation. Time to drive Q-Trumpism back into their trog holes and out of mainstream public and government daily participation. Yes, I DO believe QAnon types and Trumpism should be silenced. Crazy lies and conspiracy theories for complete idiots are not guaranteed specifically in the constitution . Unlike Gohmert, I don't think the first amendment gives you the right to lie, mislead, and incite people against our democracy.
The far-right plague in our country is now calling for a second insurrection! SMH, if this comes to fruition, I hope Biden orders US troops to kill them to the last man. Disgusting words after seeing the 6th.
Far-right gun group warns supporters to prepare for 'battle' at the US Capitol if gun compromise passes
By Matthew Chapman
On Monday, the far-right American Firearms Association sent a call to action to supporters urging them to do everything in their power to stop an emerging compromise on gun safety that appears to be taking shape in the Senate — including, potentially, engaging in a "battle" "all over the Capitol complex."
"Our federal legislative team believes that because of the enormity of the battle this week in DC, there will be thousands or even tens of thousands of Bloomberg-funded, red shirt radical, commie mommies all over the Capitol complex," continued the email, an apparent reference to the gun-safety activist group Moms Demand Action. "This is their Super Bowl. You and I should be looking at this battle in exactly the same way."
The compromise legislation being crafted in the wake of the Uvalde, Texas school shooting, being brokered by Republican and Democratic senators, has not taken any public shape yet.
However, sources indicate that the bill is likely to be a narrow measure that could add more data to federal background checks, encourage more states to adopt "red-flag laws" to confiscate guns from mentally unstable people, and strengthen funding for mental health programs.
More ambitious proposals like making background checks apply to private sales, or raising the age to purchase semiautomatic rifles, do not appear to be part of the discussion at this time.The fundraising email, flagged by Jennifer Bendery of the Huffington Post, claims that "we fully expect our systems to be attacked by nefarious, left-wing actors who want to shut our systems down."
I'm pretty sure that if there is one thing we've learned about Merrick Garland, he's not going to be pushed to do anything he doesn't feel the DOJ is prepared to do.
When and If they come to the determination that Trump needs indicted, they'll do so..
In either case, unlike the Trump era, the DOJ under Biden works independently.
I'm not holding my breath either because almost half of America wouldn't care if he went out on Fifth Avenue and shot somebody. One of their rare truthful Trump statements that he made.
You shut up. Your played out extremist radical left shicht is old. You are no better than the right extremists. You sound just as crazy as the proud boys. Except we have to hear from you on a daily basis.
They learned it from you. Right extremists learned that violence is ok from all the left extremists and antifas rioting, looting, vandalizing, and arson of innocent American businesses.
Hey, Democrats, No One Gives a Damn About Your Sham Hearing Derek Hunter | Posted: Jun 09, 2022 12:01 AM
Ever watch 2020 on a Friday night? Or Dateline? What once used to be serious “news magazine” shows have devolved, like everything else in journalism, to a complete waste of time that exists only to manipulate your emotions and keep you watching. Every week, they’re reality murder mysteries where half way through you’re convinced (because producers manipulated you into believing) the killer is someone it’s not. By the end, the truth is revealed in a way that leaves you in shock. It’s as predictable as the setting sun. And so are Democrats.
When word came out this week that the January 6th committee – Nancy Pelosi’s inner circle of flying monkeys eager to do as much damage to Republicans as possible– had hired the former head of ABC News to “produce” their big prime time hearing tonight, I knew the only thing missing would be the melodramatic Keith Morrison voiceover.
The simple fact of the matter is the American people don’t give a damn about any of this. Was the January 6th riot good? Hell no. It was stupid. But was it a “threat to democracy”? Absolutely not.
There was no plan, no plot. To the extent that anything was coordinated it was between a couple of guys no one has ever heard of who, for reasons maybe someone should ask the FBI, did their best to stir people up. Creating an angry mob and getting them to do stupid things is pretty easy, Democrats spent a year leading up to the 2020 election doing just that. Does that mean it’s a plot to overthrow our government?
In the case of Democrats, maybe. They did sustain their attack until it was no longer needed, whereas the January 6th riot lasted a couple of hours. The majority of people who entered the Capitol that day did so on the Senate side, not the House side where the fighting was taking place. Having worked in that building I can tell you it’s huge and it’s easy to have zero clue what’s happening on the other side of it while you’re in it. As the small mob was breaking windows, more people walked in the Senate side through doors held open by Capitol Police. They even got directions to parts of the building from police so they could get the best selfies. There are police officers in Seattle and Portland still traumatized by Democrats trying to set them on fire with Molotov Cocktails and permanently blind them with green lasers who’d love to have had that kind of interaction with their mobs.
The American public has seen all of this footage for a year and a half and we’re unimpressed. That some self-important blowhard politicians might’ve been scared for a few minutes that day, or a couple of staffers had a few nightmares is irrelevant, honestly. Not a single Member of Congress or their staff was physically assaulted. If they were a blood thirsty mob looking to murder, they really sucked at it.
Punish the people who did fight with police or did damage the building, but everyone else should be treated like they are Democrats and be given a BLM/ANTIFA pass. The only person killed that day was Ashli Babbitt and the cop who killed her didn’t even face professional discipline, let alone charges. No matter how many times Joe Biden and other Democrats lie and claim police officers were killed that day it won’t make it true.
So when the left drag this waste of time and money into prime time, complete with dancing Liz Cheneys, no one cares. We’ve heard it all already, we’ve seen it all already. That these people are content, even proud, of Americans being held in solitary confinement for more than a year for the “crime” of parading on government property tells you more about them than any of those arrested. That two leftist lawyers could get sweetheart deal slicing off 90 percent of the jail time they were facing for trying to kill police in the name of BLM/ANTIFA “justice” while Americans who were simply in DC that day are harassed tells you everything you need to know about where the real “threat to democracy” is coming from.
To hell with the Democrats and their GOP puppets name Cheney and Kinzinger, to hell with the media coordinating an in-kind donation to carry a rehashing of a “nothing new” hearing live in prime time. We aren’t interested.
And spare us the lectures about “violent rhetoric” in a week that sees yet another progressive leftist arrested trying to murder a conservative. After a month of “They’re trying to rip away your right to an abortion, you must do something” and worse, one of their side took them literally and plotted to kill a Supreme Court Justice. MSNBC’s ratings decreased by one viewer, but their intensity turned up to 11. Finally, they have proof that someone is watching and their message is getting through. Maddow will just have to monologue harder next time.
Yeah, to hell with all of these people and their stupid hearing.
It Took Only Minutes for Democrat Race Hustler Bennie Thompson to Invoke KKK, Slavery [Two Democrat Party Institutions] During Jan. 6 Hearing BRIANNA LYMAN REPORTER June 09, 2022 9:33 PM ET
It took just minutes for Democratic Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson to invoke the Ku Klux Klan, slavery and lynching during Thursday’s opening statements of the Jan. 6 hearings.
Committee chairman Thompson delivered the opening statement of the hearings investigating the Jan. 6 riot.
“I am from a part of the country where people justified the actions of slavery, the Ku Klux Klan and lynching,” Thompson said. “I’m reminded of that dark history as I hear voices today try and justify the actions of the insurrectionists on January 6th, 2021.”
“All of us have one thing in common: we swore the same oath,” Thompson continued. “The same oath that all Members of Congress take upon taking office and afterward every two years if they are reelected. We swore an oath to defend the Constitution, against all enemies: foreign and domestic.”
Thompson noted how the 1814 burning of the Capitol was due to foreign enemies, but then explained that after the South seceded from the Union, “Congress adopted a new oath to help make sure no person who had supported the rebellion could hold a position of public trust. Therefore, congresspersons and U.S. Federal Government employees were required for the first time to swear an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies — foreign and domestic.”
“That oath was put to the test on January 6, 2021.” (RELATED: BANKS, JORDAN, NEHLS, ARMSTRONG, And DAVIS: Don’t Fall For Nancy Pelosi’s Elaborate January 6th Coverup)
The committee has subpoenaed more than 100 individuals, interviewed nearly 1,000 witnesses and has roughly 100,000 pages of evidence.
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi barred Republican Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio and Jim Banks of Indiana from serving on the committee. Wyoming Republican Rep. Liz Cheney and Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger were permitted to serve on the committee.
The committee told Politico they want viewers to be outraged about the incident going into 2024. The committee reportedly said they hope its presentation will stoke the same anger Americans felt on Jan. 6 now and convince them that the issue has only become worse and still threatens the 2024 election.
“The words of the current oath taken by all of us — that nearly every United States Government employees takes — have their roots in the Civil War,” he said.
Just a smear job by the media and libtards because you know a red wave is coming in November.
Let me ask, did you demonstrate courage and watch the hearing last night?
I really hope you did. Everyone told Trump that the election was good and clean.. Nothing that would change the outcome.. Yet that windbag continues to stir the pot and divide the country.
How many republicans wanted a pardon? Lots of them apparently.
Last night was an attempt to lay out an overview...But in typical trumpian fashion, it was beat on as lies and incomplete... OF COURSE it was incomplete. It was meant to be.
Trump lied about the election... it's just that simple... 60 plus lawsuits lost on the subject.... HE LIED....
They learned it from you. Right extremists learned that violence is ok from all the left extremists and antifas rioting, looting, vandalizing, and arson of innocent American businesses.
So much from your side claiming they're better than that. They're not. Only they tried to steal an election. They tried to overthrow a democracy. And your president was behind it all. #murica
Well, it's 9:30. I think the show started at 8. I've not been following, but, could someone tell me what blockbuster breakthrough there has been?
I'll give you two.. It won't matter, your mind is made up, but I'll give you two.
1. In his own words, Bill Barr told Trump that his efforts to convince everyone that the election was fraudulent was "BS" (of course he said the word but on here, it's censored) That's Barrs word for it.
2. Ivanka Trump Believed Bill Barr,,,,,,
Oh, and it was CLEAR that trump incited this insurrection.. You wouldn't see it that way, but the evidence is there plain as day.
Again, it doesn't matter, you aren't listening to it, so you don't know what's being covered.. If you really cared, you'd have watched it.
Liz Cheney, a Republican, presented fact-based accounts and showed footage of the events. She also provided eye witness testimony and juxtaposed the actions of the Republican Vice President vs the President, paired with corroborative testimony from the Joint Chief of Staff.
The responses to that I see on here are predetermined, arbitrarily dismissive, unsubstantiated and emotional.
Republicans claim everyone who really wants to know what happened or took part in the investigations are RINO's, turncoats and disloyal. They can't seem to figure out that government officials take an oath to the constitution and not a president. They only actually pay attention to one part of the constitution. The second amendment.
Just a smear job by the media and libtards because you know a red wave is coming in November.
Let me ask, did you demonstrate courage and watch the hearing last night?
Demonstrate courage??? That is absolutely hilarious.
Why don't you demonstrate a little and please explain the following... Although I know nobody here will have the balls to watch it lol. Just the first ten minutes and then answer the question... Are all these people lying? If so, how have they documented so much proof? Aliens?
What you have presented has little truth involved. Gulliani lied so much his law license was revoked. trump has been lying about the election being stolen since the day the winner of the election was announced. Over 60 court cases were found to be false by even Trump appointed and conservative judges. Barr in his own words said he told Trump his claims were BS. Are all of those people lying? So many of have been carrying on the stolen election lie I think that it's obvious that is a strong possibility.
When you look at what people are telling you, you must look at the vile rhetoric they are using which they interject into it to help determine their validity. Listening to Hannity in this video, he's full of it. That accusatory and inciteful rhetoric I mean..... at the very least.
I really, really, REALLY don't know how you got that from the video. Either you are trying to change the subject or you didn't watch it. If you don't want to discuss it, that's fine, but we're talking about proof that Trump ordered up to 20,000 national guard there because of reports of possible violence, and Pelosi refused... twice. Two separate reports of planned violence, Pelosi refuses help from the national guard. Why is that? And why would somebody that wanted and "insurrection" ask for 20,000 national guard to protect the capital?
but we're talking about proof that Trump ordered up to 20,000 national guard there because of reports of possible violence, and Pelosi refused... twice. Two separate reports of planned violence, Pelosi refuses help from the national guard. Why is that? And why would somebody that wanted and "insurrection" ask for 20,000 national guard to protect the capital?
Fate....this has already been fact checked and debunked.
I really, really, REALLY don't know how you got that from the video. Either you are trying to change the subject or you didn't watch it. If you don't want to discuss it, that's fine, but we're talking about proof that Trump ordered up to 20,000 national guard there because of reports of possible violence, and Pelosi refused... twice. Two separate reports of planned violence, Pelosi refuses help from the national guard. Why is that? And why would somebody that wanted and "insurrection" ask for 20,000 national guard to protect the capital?
A recent fact check by The Associated Press found that an assertion being made by members of the House Republican Conference that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was responsible for the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol due to security reasons is not true.
“As Speaker of the House, Pelosi does not direct the National Guard,” the AP reported in its fact check. “Further, as the Capitol came under attack, she and the Senate Majority leader called for military assistance, including the National Guard.”
Strange... that will be the third time it's disappeared from youtube. Last time it magically became someone playing a video game.
Nothing to see here folks!
And as far as all the "debunked" talk. Most of it is "no dramatic proof" = "false", you know, guilty until proven innocent. I usually don't even bother, not sure why I am now. No one wants the truth anyway. That video has people from the DOD, capital police, etc, etc, all saying the same thing. Everyone on the right -- 100% liars, everyone on the left, well, they all take truth serum before they walk out the door in the morning. Not convincing anyone on DT to even entertain the thought anyway lol.
Former Trump acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen reportedly set to testify at Jan. 6 committee hearing on Wednesday
Last Updated: June 10, 2022 at 7:52 p.m. ET First Published: June 10, 2022 at 6:38 p.m. ET
The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, U.S. Capitol siege and the events leading up to and following will hear live testimony on Wednesday from the highest levels of the late-Trump-era Department of Justice — acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen; his top deputy, Richard Donoghue; and Steven Engel, the former head of the department’s Office of Legal Counsel — according to a person familiar with the situation and granted anonymity to discuss their appearances.
The testimony from the three former Justice Department officials is expected to center on a chaotic stretch in the final weeks of the administration when Trump openly weighed the idea of replacing Rosen with a lower-ranking official, Jeffrey Clark, who was seen as more willing to champion in court the president’s false claims of voter fraud.
The situation came to a head in an hours-long meeting at the White House on Jan. 3, 2021, attended by Rosen, Donoghue, Engel and Clark, when top Justice Department officials and White House lawyers told Trump they would resign if he went ahead with his plan to replace Rosen.
Trump ultimately allowed Rosen to finish out the administration as acting attorney general.
Wednesday is Day 3 of the select committee’s currently scheduled June public hearings. Day 2, on Monday, reportedly will seek to demonstrate how Trump “engaged in a massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information” that the election had been stolen — even though advisers and allies told him repeatedly he had lost.
Trump says January 6 'represented the greatest movement in the history of our Country' ahead of the House committee's first public hearing Brent D. Griffiths Jun 9, 2022, 10:23 AM
Trump repeated his attacks against the January 6, 2021, committee ahead of its first public hearing.
He added that January 6 represented "the greatest movement in the history of our Country."
Trump and his allies have scrambled to form a defense ahead of the January 6 committee hearings.
Ahead of the first public House hearings on the insurrection, former President Donald Trump on Thursday defended his "Save America" rally on January 6, 2021, which morphed into the Capitol riot, calling it "the greatest movement in the history of our Country."
"The Un select Committee didn't spend one minute studying the reason that people went to Washington, D.C., in massive numbers, far greater than the Fake News Media is willing to report, or that the Unselects are willing to even mention, because January 6th was not simply a protest, it represented the greatest movement in the history of our Country to Make America Great Again," Trump wrote on his Truth social platform, repeating his favored line of attacking the bipartisan select committee as the "unselect" panel.
Trump and his allies' reactions are being closely watched as lawmakers begin a series of public hearings into the Capitol attack and the former president's broader efforts to overturn the results.
Top Democrats on the panel have promised jaw-dropping information will be disclosed. Republicans have little insight into what will come out but are trying to mount a preemptive defense. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy is also leading the preparation of an alternative report on the riot.
Trump continues to falsely claim that he won the 2020 election and that there was "massive" voter fraud, despite even some of his top advisors admitting that Joe Biden won. The former president also repeated his debunked claim that he ordered 10,000 National Guard troops to protect the Capitol. He increased the number to 20,000 in his statement.
"The Unselect Committee has now learned that I, as President, suggested & offered up to 20,000 National Guard, or troops, be deployed in D.C. because it was felt that the crowd was going to be very large," Trump wrote.
The Washington Post found no evidence of such an order as far back as December.
Rather, the source of the claim appears to be Trump telling then-acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller that he was "going to need like 10,000 people" ahead of the rally. But the Defense Department simply interpreted this as Trump blustering, and it went no further, The Post reported. As the outlet pointed out, Trump knew how to go about executing an order. Biden's Defense Department later told The Post that it found no record of such an order.
Further evidence also shows that those troops may not have protected just the Capitol. Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff at the time, wrote in a January 5, 2021, email that Guard members were on standby to "protect pro-Trump people."
'Ashli Babbitt's widower speaks out on January 6 hearing, claims committee ignores her death Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., was one of few lawmakers to reach out with condolences following the incident, Aaron Babbitt said. By Charles Creitz | Fox News
Following the January 6 Committee's first primetime hearing, Ashli Babbitt's widower spoke out to Fox News about members of the panel and criticized the Capitol police officer who shot and killed her.
Babbitt, a veteran and unarmed Trump supporter, was fatally shot in the neck by Lt. Michael Byrd on the day of the riot as protesters amassed on the other side of a door from the lawman.
In a subsequent interview, Byrd claimed "I know that day I saved countless lives," while Fox News host Tucker Carlson separately reported Byrd previously went unpunished for accidentally leaving a loaded sidearm in a men's bathroom at the complex.
Aaron Babbitt told Carlson he understood his late wife was never mentioned in Thursday's hearing, adding one Republican member of the committee previously donated to a GoFundMe supporting Byrd and advertised it on social media.
Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois wrote in November the fundraiser was a "worthy cause as this man has faced quite an onslaught of misinformation and extreme threats."
"I had no intentions of watching [the hearing] in the first place," Aaron Babbitt said, subsequently criticizing Kinzinger's statement.
"And, we can go back to last week when I was listening to Mayor Giuliani's radio show. And when he was getting questioned by them, he straight up asked them, ‘Are you going to talk about Ashli Babbitt?’ -- And he said, everybody just blankly stared at him, looked down and looked like they were following a fly around the room."
That comment, he said, proved the panel wasn't interested in probing the circumstances of Ashli's death.
"I truly believe in my heart that they know it's t it's murder, so they can't admit to it. And so they have to just bypass it and blow by it and just act like it never happened."
Carlson asked whether Babbitt has ever heard from Kinzinger or any other lawmakers. Babbitt said that for the most part he has not heard, noting one exception to be Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., who reportedly called him with condolences.
He and Carlson also discussed new video from the day of the riot that they said showed Ashli Babbitt attempting to quell some of the more incensed activists and telling them to calm down and avoid causing property damage.
Not trying to be argumentative with you, but the claim of 10,000 National Guard troops had been around for awhile.
What Was Said
“Was Speaker Pelosi involved in the decision to delay National Guard assistance on Jan. 6? Those are serious and real questions that this committee refuses to even ask. Speaker Pelosi doesn’t want to answer those questions because she knows that the answers to those questions leave a trail of bread crumbs right back to her office, underscoring her negligence, her lack of leadership as the speaker of the House.” — Mr. Banks, at the same news conference
This is misleading. For over a year, Republican and conservative commentators have repeatedly and misleadingly blamed Ms. Pelosi for the delay in deploying the National Guard to the Capitol on Jan. 6.
There is no evidence that Ms. Pelosi’s office rejected a request to deploy the National Guard, or even played a role in any delays over approval. The decision lies with the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House and Senate sergeants-at-arms and the architect of the Capitol.
A report by two bipartisan Senate committees investigating the Jan. 6 attack attributed delays in requesting the National Guard to “opaque processes.” It noted that the members of the Capitol Police Board were not familiar with the approval process, and gave conflicting accounts of when assistance was first requested.
Here is the USCP January 6th timeline report and the lead up. On January 4th, USCP Chief of Police Sund requests National Guard support from both the House and Senate Sargent -At-Arms and both deny his request. All three resign after Jan. 6th.
Setting any media bias aside, if the Trump administration or DoD at the time, formally requested 10,000, now 20,000 National Guard troops to the Capitol ahead of the Jan 6th rally and Nancy Pelosi rejected the request ahead of the Jan 6th rally, certainly this would be in writing and the documents would be all the evidence needed. The Trump admin, after the fallout from Jan 6th, could have easily held a press conference, distributed copies to members of the press and shown the documents on live TV that both illustrate the formal request for National Guard troops and the rejection of National Guard troops by Nancy Pelosi if said claim was true. This would be huge news and easy to prove if the evidence existed and a significant political victory.
Liz Cheney, a Republican, presented fact-based accounts and showed footage of the events. She also provided eye witness testimony and juxtaposed the actions of the Republican Vice President vs the President, paired with corroborative testimony from the Joint Chief of Staff.
The responses to that I see on here are predetermined, arbitrarily dismissive, unsubstantiated and emotional.
Many of them didn't even watch the hearing on TV... They want to tell us "it ain't so" and they don't want to see the proof.. Something I'm still waiting for from the crowd that insists the election was a fraud.... 60 some hearing on the subject and the Trump crowd LOST every single one...
Milk and others gave you the reasons I didn't waste my time. All of the things that were in your video have been debunked over and over again. They feed you the same lies in an ever revolving door and you never bother to see if they're true. It's like you just post their crap and expect everyone else to dig for the answers that prove they're lying. Then you become shocked when media sites delete the lies and claim they're trying to hide the truth. It all gets exhausting after a while.
Lol. Yep. One side is 100% honest, the other is all lies... but we already knew that.
Not sure who said that. But you've denied Jan 6th being a serious event based on what is a Trump lie. There is - to me at least - compelling testimony from many, including guys like Barr who have unequivocally stated that 'The Big lie' is B.S .... and that's the very basis for all of the events that led to Jan 6th. You have the wife of a SCJ pressuring officials to overturn elections and promoting wild, wild crazy wild baboon ass theories... You have what was a horrifying, violent ordeal that got morphed into "just like another tourist event" .... Security was manipulated before the event. The list of issues is long and deep. And it's not hearsay.
It might not be top of your agenda - you might think some of this is political, hell maybe you think it's all political. But I think it was a truly terrible event, The peaceful transition of power was deliberately planned to be prevented. I'd like to get to the bottom of it. Thinking this was some random event - or dismissing it as just like a BLM protest is misguided at best imo.
Calling it political is just a way they can justify refusing to hear or listen to the facts presented. Never mind that many of these facts come from Trump's own people and people within his own administration.
Trolls be trollin'. There are definately not two sets of laws. Nobody is victimizing you due to your douchebaggery, other than yourself. Come back to reality and join the human race again, maybe you can still redeem yourself.
So you believe that the National Guard gets discussed and orders based on phone calls with no paper trail? And you believe the absence of proof of the request for the National Guard is "Proof". You believe the word of a pathological liar when any shred of logic dictates there would be something somewhere in writing - even a damn text or email. . . . Because Pelosi and Trump spoke so often right?
And I guess you believe Jan 6th was random and just a little tourist visit like any other.
Good for you. With your head buried so deep in the earth for so long - make sure your butt has sun screen, I don't want you to get sun burn.
At least for me, I am more interested in what they are doing about inflation and crime in the streets.
JMO
Well, I guess it's ok to change topics... At least for me it is,,, watch that in other threads....LOL
Of course I'm interested on those things as well... But to allow this insurrection to go without punishment is lame... You know, for some of us, it's possible to do more than one thing at a time... it doesn't have to be either/or.
Did you watch the hearing last week? did you see the evidence they plan on bringing forth?
I got a kick out of some folks on TV and Radio.. They were complaining that the videos were incomplete/edited...OF COURSE THEY WERE... The Panel was bringing forth what they intend to deliver over the course of the rest of the televised hearings... That was the plan...
If you aren't afraid of what you might see, why not watch it. It's history we are living through..
That's the excuse the "can't walk and chew gum at the same time" crowd says. "Let's ignore that because other things are going on".
Look at all the stuff you and your ignore.
What have we "ignored"? That there is terrible inflation? No. So what exactly is it we're ignoring? Some false claim that the entire economy has collapsed because of only 18 months of economic policies? Even you know better than that.
The problem is the party of making crap up to justify crap we made up... That's the good thing about having actual facts in common, because you can't refute stone cold hard facts.
The problem is the party of making crap up to justify crap we made up... That's the good thing about having actual facts in common, because you can't refute stone cold hard facts.
It's not an exact comp - but it looks like the UK has it as bad or worse. I know the papers have been up in arms blaming Biden for that.
That's the problem.. Trump and the Right have a machine that puts out one lie after another... about anything that would, if true, make the left look bad.. That's the plan..
But by the time the facts come out, it's too late, Trumps followers and far rightwingers have made up their mind.
My impression from a lot of the response on the right to very far right for this issue specifically is that there is often mitigation, deflection or denial as an underlying reaction to something that shows the people you uphold did something very wrong, and the people who you abhor were on the right side of the issue. You see it with things like Jack Del Rio’s response. I think he referred to it as a “dust up” like when parents try to downplay the fact that their kid is a bully on the playground. The inconvenience of the events that occurred is honestly too hard for some to bear in their own minds.
I, for one, actually assumed the same type of tone that Chris Wallace did beforehand. While I don’t think anything that went down will overwhelmingly change any minds, I thought the airing exceeded my expectations. I thought Liz Cheney presented what - to me - was a very compelling and organized layout of the events that occurred. I also have to objectively ask what incentive her and Kinzinger had to join this panel? She got booted from her high-ranking position and he’s basically out of office after this term. Looking at them and the other reps (like Gonzo) who did something contrary to their own career ambitions it’s very much going against the grain of the vast majority of what all politicians - from both sides - do. On the far right, it’s pretty clear that bending the knee gets people to perpetuate their careers, at least for the short term (see Vance, JD). This panel of Republicans and those few others did not do that. All coupled by the fact people close to the campaign and part of the actual cabinet have provided compelling testimony.
That being said, I don’t “rah rah” the airing as the be all end all that many on the left side of the media seem to do, but the response from the avid Trump supporting side, while not unsurprising, is much more pervasively unobjective.
Wow, today's hearing is pretty damning for Trump. They seem to have proved Trump knew he lost and tried to take advantage of the 'red mirage' phenomena on election days to sew doubt and launch his big lie campaign. Witnesses are mostly republican, Trump campaign staff, and Bill Barr.
They'll just label them as RINO's and haters then move on. They aren't interested in hearing the truth. Even when it comes to people from their own party.
Jan. 6 panel: Trump campaign used 'Big Lie' to raise millions from supporters
Christopher Wilson·Senior Writer Mon, June 13, 2022, 12:37 PM·4 min read link
The committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riot said that former President Trump’s campaign fundraised off of baseless allegations of election fraud but spent very little of the money on legal action.
Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Cal., said Monday morning that the House committee would show “that the Trump campaign used these false claims of election fraud to raise hundreds of millions of dollars from supporters who were told their donations were for the legal fight in the courts. But the Trump campaign didn’t use the money for that. The Big Lie was also a big ripoff.”
“We’ll present evidence that Mr. Trump’s claims of election fraud were false, that he and his closest advisers knew those claims were false but that they continued to peddle them anyway right up until the moment a mob of Trump supporters attacked the Capitol," Lofgren said.
During the hearing, a senior investigative counsel for the committee said that Trump supporters received upwards of 25 emails a day urging them to donate to an election defense fund that did not exist.
“The Trump campaign knew that these claims of voter fraud were false yet they continued to barrage small-dollar donors with emails encouraging them to donate to something called the ‘Official Election Defense Fund,’” Amanda Wick said. “The select committee discovered no such fund existed.”
In a taped deposition, former Trump campaign staffer Hanna Allred said, “I don’t believe there is actually a fund called the Election Defense Fund” while the campaign’s digital director agreed that the Election Defense Fund was a “marketing tactic.”
Wick noted that much of the money went to the Save America PAC, which was created on Nov. 9, two days after the election was called for Biden. That PAC then routed $1 million to two separate organizations tied to Trump staffers, $204,857 to the Trump Hotel Collection and $5 million for the company that organized the Jan. 6 rally that preceded the violence at the Capitol, according to Wick.
The committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riot said that former President Trump’s campaign fundraised off of baseless allegations of election fraud but spent very little of the money on legal action.
Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Cal., said Monday morning that the House committee would show “that the Trump campaign used these false claims of election fraud to raise hundreds of millions of dollars from supporters who were told their donations were for the legal fight in the courts. But the Trump campaign didn’t use the money for that. The Big Lie was also a big ripoff.”
“We’ll present evidence that Mr. Trump’s claims of election fraud were false, that he and his closest advisers knew those claims were false but that they continued to peddle them anyway right up until the moment a mob of Trump supporters attacked the Capitol," Lofgren said.
During the hearing, a senior investigative counsel for the committee said that Trump supporters received upwards of 25 emails a day urging them to donate to an election defense fund that did not exist.
“The Trump campaign knew that these claims of voter fraud were false yet they continued to barrage small-dollar donors with emails encouraging them to donate to something called the ‘Official Election Defense Fund,’” Amanda Wick said. “The select committee discovered no such fund existed.”
In a taped deposition, former Trump campaign staffer Hanna Allred said, “I don’t believe there is actually a fund called the Election Defense Fund” while the campaign’s digital director agreed that the Election Defense Fund was a “marketing tactic.”
Wick noted that much of the money went to the Save America PAC, which was created on Nov. 9, two days after the election was called for Biden. That PAC then routed $1 million to two separate organizations tied to Trump staffers, $204,857 to the Trump Hotel Collection and $5 million for the company that organized the Jan. 6 rally that preceded the violence at the Capitol, according to Wick.
A February 2021 analysis from ABC News found that in the three months that followed the election when Trump and his allies were peddling the conspiracy theory that the race was stolen, the Trump campaign and Republican National Committee raised $280 million dollars. Only $13 million of that was spent on legal expenses, with more than $100 million going toward “various fundraising expenses and advertising efforts aimed at raising even more money.”
Former Fox News political editor Chris Stirewalt, who was involved in the network’s decision desk that called the race for Joe Biden, testified later in the hearing that the Trump campaign’s strategy of overturning multiple races was nearly impossible.
"Ahead of today, I thought about what are the largest margins that could ever be overturned by a recount," Stirewalt said. "In modern history, you're talking about 1,000-1,500 votes, at the way, way outside. Normally, you're talking about hundreds of votes, maybe 300 votes that will change."
"So the idea that through any normal process in any of these states — remember he had to do it thrice. He needed three of these states to change,” Stirewalt said, adding, “You're better off to play the Powerball than to have that come in.”
Monday’s hearing was the second public panel from the Jan. 6 House committee following last week’s primetime debut in which vice chair Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., said Trump had “a sophisticated seven-part plan to overturn the presidential election and prevent the transfer of presidential power.”
“The Trump campaign knew that these claims of voter fraud were false yet they continued to barrage small-dollar donors with emails encouraging them to donate to something called the ‘Official Election Defense Fund,’” Amanda Wick said. “The select committee discovered no such fund existed.”
In a taped deposition, former Trump campaign staffer Hanna Allred said, “I don’t believe there is actually a fund called the Election Defense Fund” while the campaign’s digital director agreed that the Election Defense Fund was a “marketing tactic.”
So Republicans were fed a bunch of Trump BS (as Bill Barr would say) about election fraud that didn't happen...then those Republicans forked over something like $250 million dollars to Trump in the name of his ‘Official Election Defense Fund’ ..THAT DID NOT EXIST..!!
RWers, I wonder when they will realize just how badly they have been conned and used. They might want to check their emails, there could be a new 'non existent TRUMP FUND' for them to donate to.
Most of those that donated didn't know. Many of them still don't know and there is no amount of facts that can or ever will make them believe differently. If you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it. At least those who want to.
Wow, today's hearing is pretty damning for Trump. They seem to have proved Trump knew he lost and tried to take advantage of the 'red mirage' phenomena on election days to sew doubt and launch his big lie campaign. Witnesses are mostly republican, Trump campaign staff, and Bill Barr.
Yup, that's what it looks like, also, keeping the big lie alive netted Trump's campaign and his PAC a Quarter Billion bucks.. I'm wondering if that's a case of fraud..... I mean, he clearly knew he lost, but used the lie to get donations to a entity called "save our election" (or something like that) that, as it turned out, didn't exist. Instead the money went into his PAC. The PAC donated a Million to Mark Meadows charity fund and $200K to some Trump properties among others things.
Can't wait until Wednesday for Part 3.
I also found it interesting that FOX news showed the hearing today... Not sure what comments they made or if they edited it. If they played the whole thing, Fox viewers got an ear and eye full..
Most of those that donated didn't know. Many of them still don't know and there is no amount of facts that can or ever will make them believe differently. If you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it. At least those who want to.
You could make BFHs out of facts and truth bombs to hammer their heads with and still not get even the slightest facts through their programmed Trumpian Q denialism. Brainwashing is REAL.
Official who falsely claimed China changed votes with thermostats told DOJ officials Trump offered him attorney general after he talked about overturning election results
Official who falsely claimed China changed votes with thermostats told DOJ officials Trump offered him attorney general after he talked about overturning election results
Thermostats? good lord what is wrong with these people. remember, the ghost of Hugo Chavez was involved as well.
I know people who think the election was stolen. I think we may have posters on this board - intelligent, normal people - who think the election was stolen. There are certainly MANY posters who believe that there are questions about the elections and we need to introduce election reform laws to make it harder to vote based on this election result. smh.
To add - I haven't watched any of the hearings or news since this public part of the hearings has started. I did read an article about part of the testimony.
What stood out - it was a member of Trump's team - or a former GOPer - talking about how the elections were not even close. He mentioned that AZ was the closest state - and Biden won by more than 10,000 votes. (It was a GOPer who was involved in the tight FL election result between Gore and Bush).....
This made me think - in Arizona the CYBER NINJAS were given what was essentially an unregulated "Audit" - carried out by a team of amateurs who had a predetermined effort to find voter fraud. They even actively recruited election deniers. Any fraud - bamboo or otherwise was never found or substantiated. It was not a transparent process and conducted by agenda driven amateurs and it found NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE.
And to think this is their party leader. This is what they wanted to re-elect as our president. Then they seem confused how someone like Joe Biden manages to beat him.
Steve Bannon Threatens Bill Barr Will Be Put on Trial If GOP Takes Power
Right-wing strategist Steve Bannon floated the possibility that former U.S. Attorney General William Barr could face trial if Republicans return to power, urging the staunch conservative to "preserve evidence."
Bannon served as the chief executive of former President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and went on to work as a chief strategist in his White House. During his War Room podcast on Wednesday, the Trump loyalist blasted Barr, who was the former president's attorney general, and his new memoir entitled One Damn Thing After Another, which was released in March.
Although Barr was widely viewed as one of Trump's most loyal Cabinet officials during his tenure serving under the former president, he has drawn substantial right-wing backlash for repeatedly pointing out that there is "no evidence" to support claims of widespread fraud surrounding President Joe Biden's 2020 election win. Barr resigned as attorney general in mid-December 2020, just over a month before the end of Trump's White House term.
The show notes for War Room's Wednesday episode explained: "Bannon concludes that Barr's book will be used as evidence against him in a trial after the GOP takes back the White House." During the episode, Bannon described Barr's memoir as "shocking," knocking the former attorney general for acting like "some big hero."
"Dude, you are a wimp and a loser," the podcaster said. "And I gotta tell you, that books going to be used as evidence against you."
Later in the segment, Bannon slammed Barr for "the lies he tells about election fraud, the lies he tells about misleading President Trump."
"I would tell to Bill Barr, 'Preserve your documents, preserve your documents, OK?'" he said.
Trump has criticized Barr publicly, calling him "weak" and "ineffective" in a March statement.
"Former Attorney General Bill Barr wouldn't know voter fraud if it was staring him in the face—and it was," the former president claimed. "The fact is, he was weak, ineffective, and totally scared of being impeached, which the Democrats were constantly threatening to do. They 'broke' him."
While some Democrats did call for Barr's impeachment, a serious effort to do so never moved forward or appeared to have enough support to succeed. Even if an impeachment had materialized and succeeded in the House, the former attorney general would have all but certainly been acquitted in the Senate, which was controlled by Republicans during the entirety of Trump's presidency.
Trump and many of his allies continue to insist that the 2020 election was "rigged" or "stolen," despite a lack of proof corroborating the extraordinary allegation. Barr said publicly in December 2020 that there was "no evidence" to back the claims after he had the Justice Department investigate. Barr wrote in his memoir that he told the former president directly to his face that the allegations were "bulls**t." Other prominent Republicans and former Trump administration have made similar public assessments.
More than 60 election challenge lawsuits brought by Trump and his supporters in the aftermath of the 2020 election failed in state and federal courts. Even judges appointed by Trump and other Republicans consistently dismissed the legal challenges. Meanwhile, audits and recounts across the country—including in areas where the election was overseen by pro-Trump conservatives—have consistently reaffirmed Biden's win.
Bannon was arrested and charged by the Justice Department in August 2020 for alleged fraud connected to a crowdfunding campaign in support of Trump's long-touted border wall. Barr was serving as attorney general at the time. Trump later pardoned Bannon on the last day of his presidency.
Court document in Proud Boys case laid out plan to occupy Capitol buildings on Jan. 6
“The goal is to ensure there is an entry point for the masses to rush the building," states the nine-page document, titled “1776 Returns."
WASHINGTON — A document, titled “1776 Returns,” which federal prosecutors said was used by the leader of the Proud Boys, lays out a plan to occupy Capitol buildings on Jan. 6, 2021, using covert operators to let "patriots" inside government offices in an apparent effort to force a new election.
Enrique Tarrio, the former leader of the Proud Boys, and four other members were indicted on seditious conspiracy charges this month. Tarrio has twice been ordered detained until trial.
The nine-page document, filed in federal court Wednesday, lays out a plan to fill buildings “with patriots and communicate our demands." It's stated goals include maintaining control "over a select few, but crucial buildings in the DC area for a set period of time" and getting as "many people as possible inside these buildings."
“These are OUR building, they are just renting space,” the document reads. “We must show our politicians We the People are in charge.”
The New York Times in March reported on some of the details contained in the document. It's full text was shared in a Wednesday court filing by one of the Proud Boy defendants.
A lawyer for Proud Boy Zachary Rehl, who is seeking release from pretrial detention, included the document in a motion, which maintains that Rehl “had no knowledge of the document.”
The document lists eight targets: the Supreme Court, the Russell Senate Office Building, the Dirksen Senate Office Building, the Hart Senate Office Building, the Cannon House Office Building, the Longworth House Office Building, the Rayburn House Office Building, and CNN.
Under a section titled "Manpower Needs," the document lays out five different roles: (1) Lead: “Covert Sleeper, sets up fake appointment — is expected to spend the day as our insider and let people inside the building”; (2) Second: "Takes the place of the lead in case of being discovered”; (3) Hypeman: “leads chants, must maintain energy / presence"; (4) Recruiter: “in charge of getting patriots for starting point for each building, share the ‘patriot plan’ document, spread the word"; and (5) Patriots: “Maintain a presence while handing out ‘patriot plan.’”
article contains document entire here
The document calls for “leads and seconds” to scope out entrances and exits on Jan. 6, encouraging "patriots" to use Covid-19 protocols to their advantage.
"Pack huge face masks & face shields, protect your identity," it reads. "If possible, be in building first thing in the morning. Be dressed in suits and unsuspecting, do not look tactical at all."
When it's time for "patriots" to storm the buildings, individuals might have to cause "trouble near the front doors to distract guards," the plan states. "The goal is to ensure there is an entry point for the masses to rush the building."
It demands a new election — "not a recount" — that involves "paper ballots only, no mail in ballots, no absentee ballots," with the National Guard monitoring the process.
The Justice Department has filed criminal charges against at least 825 defendants in connection with the Jan. 6 attack. Hundreds more rioters have been identified by online sleuths. Over 300 people have pleaded guilty on charges ranging from misdemeanor offenses to seditious conspiracy.
Lmao to this dude is darker than me and rolling with white nationalist with his name being Enrique Tarrio.
It’s like Nick Fuentes being a white nationalist. Seriously, what kind of morons are these guys?
It’s like they were around a group of people that said “whoa, you’re not like the others. You’re different. You’re one of the good ones”, and completely embraced it. I can’t even comment on the Jan 6th stuff, cause this dude is just one big ass loser. I guess the Proud Boys are proud to be a bunch of losers.
Proud boys don't claim to be White Supremacists. They claim this:
Established in the midst of the 2016 presidential election by VICE Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, the Proud Boys are self-described “Western chauvinists” who adamantly deny any connection to the racist “alt-right.” They insist they are simply a fraternal group spreading an “anti-political correctness” and “anti-white guilt” agenda.
So they are He-man Women haters (like the Little Rascals, except they ain't a bit cute) spreading the idea that western males built the world, and everyone else is subservient. Pretty sure the founder crossdresses. And yep, they have their brown versions of Toms, propping up their white nationalist agenda. They will love prison. ABs will have them all in skirts before lights out the first day.
Proud boys don't claim to be White Supremacists. They claim this:
Established in the midst of the 2016 presidential election by VICE Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, the Proud Boys are self-described “Western chauvinists” who adamantly deny any connection to the racist “alt-right.” They insist they are simply a fraternal group spreading an “anti-political correctness” and “anti-white guilt” agenda.
So they are He-man Women haters (like the Little Rascals, except they ain't a bit cute) spreading the idea that western males built the world, and everyone else is subservient. Pretty sure the founder crossdresses. And yep, they have their brown versions of Toms, propping up their white nationalist agenda. They will love prison. ABs will have them all in skirts before lights out the first day.
Yep they are simply angry gay men who can’t admit to themselves they are gay.
Today's hearing was incredible and extremely damning. Anyone who still supports Trump or who is complicit in this should be considered traitorous, IMO. They absolutely planned a coup and simply failed in its execution. How anyone can deny this is beyond me. Old school Republicans need to clean house. The federal judge who testified confirmed what I was warning about these MAGA candidates taking over state positions to steal the 2024 election at any cost. This isn't over by a long shot and we need to weed this cancer out of our political systems ASAP. Crazy all the crap they tried to pull. No wonder they all wanted pardons. I wonder how many secret pardons Trump handed out.
These are Republicans providing the evidence, and boy are they providing it. No wonder the J6 committee is holding these hearings. The release of the Mueller report showed what happens when people don't get the facts straight from the witnesses. Well, nobody can deny these facts unless they just don't give a damn about our democracy. The republicans in this country have some serious soul searching to do, and the rest of us need to watch carefully and make sure they are doing it. This is the single worst attack on America in our history, period. And a third to half of the country has partisan blinders on and can't see past Trumpian lies to see the truth.
I can't imagine the DOJ not prosecuting Trump just on the facts so far. Wow, just wow. He should go to jail for the rest of his life, and so should several others.
I can't find one objective way someone could be okay with him being president again after reading all these direct quotes from his own cabinet members and VP.
When you watch what the Judge closes with, you will be leary of ANY MAGA candidate in ANY position. Local, State, and Federal levels are all at risk and ongoing targets to steal power. It's vile and anyone can see it if they just open their eyes.
Also, the DOJ has an informant saying the Proud Boys planned to or would have killed politicians including Pelosi and Pence that day, had they found them. AOC and Schumer were also targeted.
He knew that the plan to have Pence stop the electoral process was illegal.
He knew precisely what he was asking for in Georgia was illegal.
He wanted to stay in power and he did not care what the cost was to the country or democracy.
Yet here we are with people supporting his actions. They don't care as well. They will parade around with flags and pretend they are patriotic. They are complacent and share his guilt.
And there is the real danger. Power corrupts absolutely and there will be sheep who follow.
I'm amazed by what Pence did. He was subservient to Trump for four years, but in the final days of Trump's presidency, HE MAY HAVE SAVED OUR DEMOCRACY. I never thought I would type those words.
I can't find one objective way someone could be okay with him being president again after reading all these direct quotes from his own cabinet members and VP.
That's the thing that many trump supporters, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers just don't get.
Democrats are merely asking questions. It's Trumps own people that are answering them. It's respected Republicans answering them. It's Trumps own family members answering them.
Hell it's a VERY well respected former Fed Judge that is answering them.. And by the way, that former Judge was gentle but firm about the things that John Eastman and Donald Trump did that led to the events of Jan 6 as well as the days and weeks leading up to it. And I mean Eastman asking Rudy to be put on the list of Presidential Pardons says volumes... Oh,, and he took the 5th over 100 times when being deposed.
I mean, if people don't take the time to listen to this hearing, they are missing what SHOULD be coming next.
Yep …. My job is to terrify brainwashed cons like you. And according to your posts you are terrified of liberals. Poor Miss Eve running scared. Afraid of what the liberals are doing to screw up their already screwed up lives. Hurry up, buy yourself more guns before we take them all. Pffft.
Yep …. My job is to terrify brainwashed cons like you. And according to your posts you are terrified of liberals. Poor Miss Eve running scared. Afraid of what the liberals are doing to screw up their already screwed up lives. Hurry up, buy yourself more guns before we take them all. Pffft.
Before you ask law enforcement to take them. You won't be leading a confiscation party.
Probably more braincells than you had your entire life.
Do you even have a job?
So it's not the actual quotes coming out of the mouths of Trump's own cabinet, his advisors, his hand picked AG and a host of other Republicans, it's who reports it. Got it.
Chuck Schumer Unleashes the Whirlwind of Domestic Terrorism by George McClellan | Jun 17, 2022 | Courts, Politics, Terrorism
The odious creature, Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY), claimed the 06 January protest as the worst thing to happen to America since Pearl Harbor, characterizing it as White domestic terrorists attacking democracy. Why didn’t he say “since 9/11?” But, it was Schumer who stood on the steps of the Supreme Court in March 2020 and screamed to the world, “You listen to me Gorsuch, You listen to me Kavanaugh, you have unleased the whirlwind. You won’t know what hit you.” Wasn’t that domestic terrorism?
Now, look at what terrible event Schumer has sown, an assassination attempt against Justice Kavanaugh at his home, while Pelosi is trying to convince us that Donald Trump, by his words alone, was responsible for the peaceful protest, insurrection, and riot at the nation’s capital. Nonsense. It was Nancy Pelosi’s staged event.
Democrats are desperate to make their 06 January event stick in American’s minds as the anti-democracy product of a demented Donald Trump and his slavish legions of White Supremacists, on the slim hope they might have a chance to convince Americans to keep them in power so they can continue their scheme to end American dominance of world affairs by hindering the Left’s New World Order scheme for their one-world government.
Democrats contend governing should be placed in the hands of our educated betters, the elites of business, government, science, and technology, who arguably run most things already. They also believe that world citizens would be happy and worry-free with a government they can trust. What they’re telling us is that the ‘oligarchs’ class of successful shysters, elites all, including Democrats and the few remaining Republican fellow travelers, can do a better job at governance than has been achieved through self-determination by people not shackled by rules and regulations the ‘elites’ use to enslave us.
But, back to Schumer’s crimes. He unleashed the whirlwind! Apart from the assassination attempt, violent pro-abortion crowds are now scheduling protests to block off the streets to the several conservative Justice’s homes and the routes into the Supreme Court. How does that not beat 06 January for a crime in action? Schumer did it, and Trump didn’t!
Schumer’s comments did excite some senators as a bit out of character and possibly even dangerous. Hence, the Senate ethics committee did their coverup, exonerating him not of committing a crime in violation of 18USC1507 but because “he meant well” and let the issue die. Now, it’s coming back to bite them, but the Democrats’ propaganda machine ignores the problem entirely.
Schumer is a conniving politician who believes he is invulnerable to criticism and charges for crimes, but it is he who must be held accountable after the 2023 Republican Congress begins its deliberations. Also, Republicans must get rid of Kevin McCarthy. He must not be allowed the House Speakership if a return to a constitutional conservative American Republic is to move forward.
Speaking of moving forward, this business of Antifa’s and BLM’s rioters and arsonists not being arrested or charged for their crimes of burning down Americas Blue run cities is quite different to what Idaho police just did to a pro-American group planning to demonstrate against a Gay Pride parade. Police in Coeur d’ Alene, Idaho, arrested thirty-one white males allegedly affiliated with a white nationalist group near a gay pride parade. The “Patriot Front,” as they called themselves, had shields, shin guards, and other protective gear, including at least one smoke grenade. Of course, the Antifa weren’t uniformed, didn’t pre-stage rocks, bricks, and clubs in advance of their assaults on American cities, did they? So, there’s another difference to contend with, and a damn few of them ended up in a court of law for trial. This lot is being charged with conspiracy to commit a riot. They’ll add a few more charges as they think of them. Supposedly, the police were tipped off by a good Samaritan (think a police informant, agent provocateur), so they were prepared to lower the boom.
What the Left does by way of violence against decent society is ignored so long as it can be said: “they meant well.” But, say one word or commit one act that flies in the face of the Left’s take-over narrative, as these lads did, and it’s off to prison for a long, long time. These boys need to be trained on how to protest and still look non-dangerous and how to detect the spies among them. The Democrats are going after ideas that contradict the Marxist narrative, and if you utter a comment, even a hint contrary to that narrative, they’ll come after you too. National sports teams are becoming totally hostile to players and staff who oppose WOKE issues or anything else morally wicked the Democrats have elevated to their higher standards of praise and glorification. They have kicked out God!
Elections have consequences. Democrats do not intend to lose again as they did against Trump in 2016. That scared them to death, so they’ll turn to the only mechanism they have to succeed, lie, cheat and steal. Conservatives must turn out in vast numbers to vote in November if we’re to defeat the evil and start the renewal process for our broken nation. Elections do have consequences. Let’s make them count for our side!
Remember, freedom is the goal; the Constitution is the way. Now, let’s go get ’em!
I can't find one objective way someone could be okay with him being president again after reading all these direct quotes from his own cabinet members and VP.
That's the thing that many trump supporters, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers just don't get.
Democrats are merely asking questions. It's Trumps own people that are answering them. It's respected Republicans answering them. It's Trumps own family members answering them.
Hell it's a VERY well respected former Fed Judge that is answering them.. And by the way, that former Judge was gentle but firm about the things that John Eastman and Donald Trump did that led to the events of Jan 6 as well as the days and weeks leading up to it. And I mean Eastman asking Rudy to be put on the list of Presidential Pardons says volumes... Oh,, and he took the 5th over 100 times when being deposed.
I mean, if people don't take the time to listen to this hearing, they are missing what SHOULD be coming next.
It has been said on the cable news that maybe the DOJ would not bring charges because trump is a former president, that this may lead to protests and worse; but from what has been told so far, and mostly from trump appointees and family, there is no way in hell he shouldn't have been charged criminally. And if the DOJ goes through there discovery and sees plenty of criminal wrongdoing and does nothing, then you just sent the message that there are pretty much no limits-and democracy just will die quicker
also, trump come out on his app and said that this is a one sided witch hunt and he wants equal time.
I would have already reached out to his people to find out what time he is off the golf course and told them there would be a car there to pick him up.
Put it on all the networks prime time on one condition. Not a word is uttered out of his mouth until he takes the oath. He would perjure himself once per minute, if not more.
Oh, and he is really ticked they are using the sworn testimony of his own people, his own daughter and son in law against him
If a line isn't drawn somewhere, there will no longer be a line. Then the famous words of Nixon in part 3 of the Nixon/Frost interviews will be true.
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In part 3, Frost asked Nixon whether the president could do something illegal in certain situations such as against antiwar groups and others if he decides "it's in the best interests of the nation or something". Nixon replied: "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal", by definition.
While this doesn't directly involve Jan. 6th, it's certainly a bi-product of what led up to it......
Election crisis in New Mexico intensifies near deadline to certify election results
A standoff between a Republican-dominated county commission and New Mexico's Democratic secretary of state over the commission's conspiracy-fueled refusal to certify election results comes to a head Friday, the state's certification deadline.
The showdown provides a stark example of the chaos that election experts have warned about as those who promote the lie that former President Donald Trump was cheated out of reelection seek to populate election offices across the country and the usually low-profile boards that certify the results.
The governing commission in Otero County refused to certify the local results of the state's June 7 primary because of unspecified concerns with the equipment, even though it has identified no problems with the Dominion systems used by the county to tally paper ballots.
New Mexico's top prosecutor told the commission to follow an order from the state Supreme Court to certify the results. A spokesperson for Attorney General Hector Balderas said the Otero County commission in southern New Mexico "must comply with the rule of law or we will take legal action."
The secretary of state's office had asked the attorney general to investigate the commission for possible violations of state election and government ethics laws. If the action is willful, violations may be felonies and result in removal from office.
At least one of the three county commissioners was unfazed. Commissioner Couy Griffin told CNN that he was not planning to vote for certification.
"Why have a commission if we just get overridden by the court system?" he said.
It was not immediately clear what would happen if the county refuses to certify its results, a typically ministerial duty but one that has drawn the spotlight since Trump tried to pressure some certification boards in the aftermath of the 2020 presidential election.
The developments in New Mexico can be traced to far-right conspiracy theories over voting machines that have spread across the country over the past two years. Various Trump allies have claimed that Dominion voting systems had somehow been manipulated as part of an elaborate scheme to steal the election, which President Joe Biden won.
There is no evidence of widespread fraud or manipulation of voting equipment that could have affected the outcome of the 2020 election.
Dominion has filed several defamation lawsuits, including against Fox News, and in a statement earlier this week said the action by the Otero County commissioners was "yet another example of how lies about Dominion have damaged our company and diminished the public's faith in elections."
Otero County Clerk Robyn Holmes, a Republican in her fourth term as the county's lead elections administrator, told The Associated Press that the June 7 primary was conducted without problems. Machine tallies at 16 voting centers each matched the number of ballots that were handed out.
"The primary went off without a hitch," she said. "It was a great election."
Trump won nearly 62% of the 2020 vote in Otero County, where registered Republicans outnumber Democrats nearly 2-1. A Democrat has not won a seat on the county commission since 1994.
Defiance of the federal government and its oversight of public lands are staples of politics in the largely rural county, which spans an area three times the size of Delaware and includes a portion of the White Sands Missile Range, site of the first atomic bomb test.
Otero and other New Mexico counties face a midnight deadline to certify their election results.
Here is the court filings for the proud boys plan to occupy several different buildings on 1/6. It was titled 1776 returns. I guess you can shove the "peaceful protest that got a little out of hand" bs.
Adam Kinzinger thinks Donald Trump 'is guilty of knowing what he did' in Jan. 6 insurrection
The Illinois Republican cited "seditious conspiracy," Trump's pressure campaign.
One of two Republicans on the House's Jan. 6 committee said Sunday he believes former President Donald Trump's actions as described during this month's public hearings "rise to a level of criminal involvement" in the events around the U.S. Capitol attack.
When asked by anchor George Stephanopoulos on ABC's "This Week" if he thinks Trump should be prosecuted, Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger said: "I certainly think the president is guilty of knowing what he did -- seditious conspiracy, being involved in these kind of different segments and pressuring the DOJ, Vice President [Mike Pence], etc.," Kinzinger said.
He continued: "Obviously, you know, we're not a criminal charges committee. So I want to be careful specifically using that language. But I think what we're presenting before the American people certainly would rise to a level of criminal involvement by a president and definitely failure of the oath."
A new ABC News/Ipsos poll released on Sunday showed that 58% of Americans think Trump "bears a good or great amount of responsibility for the events of Jan. 6 and that he should be charged with a crime." (Trump has repeatedly dismissed the House's Jan. 6 investigation as politically motivated and one-sided.)
The House select committee was set up to probe what took place surrounding the deadly insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021, following Trump's 2020 presidential election loss and his months-long campaign to overturn that defeat.
n a series of ongoing hearings, the House committee has detailed some of the evidence gathered in its 11-month investigation, including testimony from Trump's inner circle showing, investigators say, that Trump knew his push to contest the 2020 results and have Pence reject Joe Biden's victory was baseless -- and illegal.
"It is essential at this moment that we get a grip on this and figure out how to defend our democracy," Kinzinger, a vocal member of the GOP's anti-Trump minority, said on "This Week."
"I think this blows, actually, Watergate out of the water," Kinzinger said of the current moment, blaming the "lack of leadership" for the partisan division. The congressman, who is not running for another term, said his party had "utterly failed the American people at truth. ... Makes me sad, but it's a fact."
"If you're not willing to tell people the truth in America, you shouldn't run for Congress," he said.
Stephanopoulos also asked Kinzinger about upcoming elections, noting that the next presidential contest could have "a similar controversy."
"We're seeing allies of President Trump being elected to run elections in state after state. I've already pointed out the divide between Republicans and Democrats over what happened on Jan. 6. How worried are you about 2024?" Stephanopoulos asked.
"Very worried," Kinzinger replied.
"This is the untold thing," he continued. "We focus so much on what goes on in D.C. and Congress and the Senate, but when you have these election judges that are going to people that don't believe basically in democracy – authoritarians – 2024 is going to be a mess."
also, trump come out on his app and said that this is a one sided witch hunt and he wants equal time.
I would have already reached out to his people to find out what time he is off the golf course and told them there would be a car there to pick him up.
Put it on all the networks prime time on one condition. Not a word is uttered out of his mouth until he takes the oath. He would perjure himself once per minute, if not more.
Oh, and he is really ticked they are using the sworn testimony of his own people, his own daughter and son in law against him
Well, Trump also is saying that Jan 6 was a peaceful thing.. And that the only person injured was that lady that got shot by a Capital Cop.. Clearly, anyone that sees the hearings knows that that is BS of the highest order.
Try to remember, Republicans called Watergate a Witch hunt also... Of course, that was a time when politicians did what's best for America without regard to party and they ended up saying,, Nixon, you gotta go. (paraphrasing of course)
As for equal time, I see two ways trump can be heard on a grand scale.
1. Use that $250 Million you got and by air time to present your case..
Or
2. Ask the Jan 6 Committee to reserve time to allow you to come in and answer questions and plead your case... Not Trump Lawyers, but Trump himself..
As for it being one sided,, No,, it's not. It's a bunch of Dems and a couple of Reps asking questions, thus far, all the answers are coming from Trumps people and other republicans that either worked for him directly or for Mike Pence or are family members of his or a Republican/Right leaning retired Judge that advised Pence.
But yet, look at his crowds,, they keep eating up his BS over and over again.
Unseen Trump tapes subpoenaed by House panel investigating Jan. 6 Eugene Daniels and Ryan Lizza Tue, June 21, 2022, 9:39 AM·1 min read
The House select committee investigating Jan. 6 sent a subpoena last week to Alex Holder, a documentary filmmaker who was granted extensive access to then-President Donald Trump and his inner circle.
Holder shot interviews with the then-president both before and after Jan. 6. The existence of this footage is previously unreported.
A source familiar with the project told POLITICO on Monday night that Holder began filming on the campaign trail in September 2020 for a project on Trump’s reelection campaign. Over the course of several months, Holder had substantial access to Trump, Trump’s adult children and Mike Pence, both in the White House and on the campaign trail.
According to the subpoena, which was obtained exclusively by POLITICO, the committee has subpoenaed “any raw footage you or your colleagues took in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021”; raw footage of interviews he conducted with Trump, Pence, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump and son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner; and raw footage “pertaining to discussions of election fraud or election integrity surrounding the November 2020 presidential election.”
Holder is expected to fully cooperate with the committee in an interview scheduled for Thursday.
The move comes as the committee is set to meet on Tuesday afternoon for a hearing that centers on the pressure campaign Trump and his allies mounted to get state officials to overturn the 2020 election, including attempts to advance slates of “alternate electors” to flip the results.
Yep …. My job is to terrify brainwashed cons like you. And according to your posts you are terrified of liberals. Poor Miss Eve running scared. Afraid of what the liberals are doing to screw up their already screwed up lives. Hurry up, buy yourself more guns before we take them all. Pffft.
LOL Think about this.. Trump would say something that dumb about if you have a job.. Geez, how freaking childish can they be. That's some very weak garbage....
Watching todays hearing made me think that Watergate by comparison was choir practice.
America? The United States?
The fake electors scam was deep and insideous. The recorded telephone calls by trump and the pressure applied to republicans to violate the law is reminiscent of mafia movies.
Those who continue to support The Big Lie are a danger to democracy. It is tragic that what America has stood for since the time The Constitution was first drafted has been violated by a common criminal thug named trump.
Did I miss 40 talking about Trump trying to bully election workers into finding him 11,780 votes in Georgia... Then to add insult to injury, gave out their addresses so they can be harassed by trump humping idiots?
Did 40 talk about Rudy telling election officials in a few different states that he had the proof of a rigged election, but never provided it when asked for it? Then finally admitting they had theories but not proof?
Jan. 6 hearing: Ga. election worker and her mother say Trump's 'lies' led to death threats
A former Georgia election worker told the Jan. 6 committee on Tuesday that “lies” spread by then-President Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani about her and her mother taking part in a voter fraud scheme led to death threats and harassment in the wake of the 2020 presidential election.
In a hearing before the House select panel investigating the events that led to the Capitol riot, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss, an election worker in Fulton County, testified that false claims made by the former president, his personal lawyer and their allies about her and her mother, “Lady” Ruby Freeman, a temporary election worker, “turned my world upside down.”
“I don’t want anyone knowing my name,” Moss said. “I don’t wanna go anywhere with my mom ’cause she might yell my name out over the grocery aisle or something. I don’t go to the grocery store at all. I haven’t been anywhere.
“I second-guess everything that I do,” she continued. “It’s affected my life in a major way, in every way, all because of lies for me doing my job, same thing I’ve been doing forever.”
Trump and Giuliani made numerous false allegations about Moss and Freeman, claiming they used a suitcase to sneak ballots into Atlanta’s State Farm Arena on election night, and that Freeman passed Moss a flash drive as the votes were being tallied.
The supposed flash drive was, in reality, a ginger mint, Moss said.
As a result, Moss said, she and her family were repeatedly harassed by Trump supporters who believed the former president’s false claims.
At the urging of her boss, Moss said she checked her Facebook messages and there “were just a lot of horrible things there.” They included “a lot of threats, wishing death upon me, telling me that I’ll be in jail with my mother and saying things like, ‘Be glad it’s 2020 and not 1920.’”
“A lot of them were racist, a lot of them were just hateful,” Moss said.
She said her son also received threats and that at one point, people went to her grandmother’s house and tried to make a “citizen’s arrest.”
Freeman, who sat behind Moss, testified earlier before the committee. A tape of her testimony was played during the hearing.
Freeman said she was forced to go into hiding after the FBI told her it would not be safe for her to be at home around Jan. 6, 2021, and until the inauguration. She said she stayed away for two months.
“It was horrible,” Freeman said. “I felt homeless. I can’t believe this person [Trump] has caused this much damage to me and my family, to have to leave my home.”
Freeman said she lost her reputation and a sense of security because Trump and Giuliani “decided to scapegoat me and my daughter to push their own lies about the election being stolen.”
“There is nowhere I feel safe, nowhere,” Freeman said. “Do you know how it feels to have the president of the United States target you? The president of the United States is supposed to represent every American — not to target one. But he targeted me — Lady Ruby, a small-business owner, a mother, a proud American citizen who stand up to help Fulton County run an election in the middle of the pandemic.”
The hearing was the fourth in a series of public presentations by the House select committee stemming from its investigation of the events surrounding the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.
Tuesday’s hearing was focused on Trump’s efforts to pressure state officials in Arizona and Georgia to deny his 2020 election loss. Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and Georgia Chief Operating Officer Gabriel Sterling testified before Moss.
In her written testimony, Moss — who served as an election worker in 2016, when Trump carried Georgia — said it didn’t matter to her who won because she is “not a political person.”
“This job was never about politics for me,” Moss said. “It was about counting every vote.”
Today's hearing continues to prove how corrupt trump and his allies truly are.
The Constitution, democracy, the history of soldiers who died to protect the integrity of the vote all of that means nothing to trump.
All that counts to trump is him remaining in power.
He would do anything no matter if it was illegal. The law, the country, the Constitution, means not a thing when compared to trump's greed for power.
The people telling the story are trump's appointed people. Not partisan democrats.
I know Fate and 40 et al will laugh at this post but January 6th was clearly an attempted coup, albeit a very poorly run coup. But now they know where their mistakes wete. If trump is re-elected I have no doubt he will take another run at it. This time make sure he has the right lackeys in the right places
lmao A coup? Americans are so soft. Thats not how you do a coup. A proper coup is done with WEAPONS AND BLOOD AND TAKEOVER CONTROL 0F ALL G0VT BUILDINGS. IT IS HIGHLY ORGANIZED AND BACKED BY MILITARY/MILITIAS. Not some idiot protestor mob who is out of control Yall are clueless. You dont have the slightest clue what a coup is.
It wasnt even an attempted coup. It was an out of control mob. Did you watch the video of them in the capital? They arent trying to take control of anything. They are walking around clueless.
Joking aside, to get to your actual topic on self-soothing, I think that may be a projection. All I’ve seen is crickets from the far right in response to what the hearing is unveiling, my guess is because it’s pretty damning from an objective standpoint, quite honestly.
If you look up the definition of “coup” you come up with “ a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.” Jester said “attempted coup.” Based on the elements there, I don’t think what he said is out of bounds.
Trying to downplay the nature of what happened that day, especially in light of the information currently coming out, to me, speaks of self-soothing.
Theres not a reason the right will respond to you. We all know is a bunch of bs because you all scared crapless for a red wave and have tds. We see through your timewaster. The liberals can only push their hysteral tds button so many times before people tune them out.
That, and people are more concerned about real life problems such as inflation and gas prices.
No matter how many time the prez and libtards try to deflect from that, it wont work. Because its peoples lives at stake.
Dems look bad crying about Trump for the nth time, instead of dealing with actual problems in this country. It will backfire. Dems look tone deaf.
Multiple House Republicans sought pardons after Capitol riot, hearing reveals Former top Department of Justice officials who testified thwarted the then-president's election subversion by threatening a mass resignation.
GOP Congress members sought pardons after Jan. 6, hearing reveals
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By KYLE CHENEY and NICHOLAS WU
06/23/2022 11:54 AM EDT
Updated: 06/23/2022 06:09 PM EDT
Days after Jan. 6, 2021, Republican lawmakers who strategized with President Donald Trump asked top White House officials to help arrange for pardons, according to testimony released Thursday by the select panel investigating the Capitol attack.
Several top Trump White House aides at the time, including special assistant Cassidy Hutchinson and aide Johnny McEntee, described outreach from multiple members of Congress seeking clemency: Reps. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), Scott Perry (R-Pa.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.).
Additionally, according to the former Trump aides’ testimony, Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) sent an email on Jan. 11, 2021, asking for “all purpose” pardons for every lawmaker who objected to electoral votes from Arizona and Pennsylvania. Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) never asked for a pardon but did request an update on the status of requests by other members, Hutchinson said.
The flurry of pardon requests followed what the select committee showed was weeks of efforts by Trump’s top congressional Republican defenders to spread misinformation about the results of the 2020 election. Those GOP lawmakers also helped apply pressure on the Justice Department to legitimize those false fraud claims. None of the lawmakers ever received pardons.
At an earlier hearing, the Jan. 6 panel showed an email from attorney John Eastman, one of the key architects of Trump’s bid to stay in power, asking to be placed on Trump’s “pardon list.” He, too, never received a pardon.
Brooks said in a statement that “the email request says it all,” citing concerns that Democrats would prosecute or jail Republicans for their objections to certifying the electoral votes. Greene, in a tweet, accused the committee of relying on hearsay, saying Hutchinson testified she “heard” about a pardon request. Gaetz, in a tweet, simply criticized the select panel. Perry, on the other hand, reiterated his denial that he asked for a pardon: “I stand by my statement that I never sought a Presidential pardon for myself or other Members of Congress.”
Its fifth public hearing underscored the lengths Trump and his allies went to enlist DOJ in his effort to seize a second term after losing the election. Trump’s top officials at the time — acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen, his deputy Richard Donoghue and former Office of Legal Counsel Chief Steven Engel — described a series of increasingly desperate meetings to fend off Trump’s effort to deploy DOJ in service of his effort, and an intense, ultimately successful effort to prevent him from installing a more compliant official atop the department.
“He pressured the justice Department to act as an arm of his reelection campaign,” select panel chair Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) said.
The panel also highlighted Trump’s own direct pressure on DOJ, which escalated in the days after former Attorney General William Barr announced his resignation in mid-December 2020.
”... Just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the [Republican] Congressmen,” Donoghue recalled Trump saying during a Dec. 27, 2020, meeting.
The hearing highlighted how Trump’s West Wing became a haven for conspiracy theories about election fraud that he then tasked DOJ and other cabinet agencies to investigate. When the theories were debunked, Trump would fall back on new ones, often plucked from far-flung corners of the internet and laundered through pro-Trump channels until they reached the Oval Office.
“You guys may not be following the internet the way I do,” Trump told the officials, according to Thursday’s testimony.
Donoghue described one such theory — that Italian satellites had switched votes from Trump to Joe Biden — as “pure insanity.” But the select committee also showed that Trump’s newly appointed acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller called officials in Italy to inquire about the bizarre theory.
Much of the hearing emphasized how Trump’s allies in Congress helped ratchet up pressure on DOJ even as the Department systematically debunked Donald Trump’s election fraud claims.
The select panel showed Thursday that Perry — who now chairs the House Freedom Caucus — helped link Trump with Jeffrey Clark, a little-known DOJ environmental official whom Trump hoped would amplify his debunked claims of voter fraud. Perry brought Clark to the White House on Dec. 22, 2020, according to visitor logs released by the Capitol riot committee.
Trump would go as far as offering Clark the Justice Department’s top job, only to back down as Rosen, Donoghue and Engel — as well as then-White House Counsel Pat Cipollone — warned of a mass exodus within DOJ. Engel’s warning to Trump that a Clark-run DOJ would be a “graveyard” apparently affected Trump, the witnesses said, and he backed off the plan.
Donoghue emphasized that Trump made clear he wasn’t interested in the merit of any election fraud allegations — only in DOJ’s willingness to endorse them, then leave the rest to him and his allies. As part of that plot, Trump had pressed his DOJ leaders to issue a letter describing concerns about election irregularities in multiple states.
Clark was prepared to issue that letter, urging states to convene their legislatures and consider whether to appoint new presidential electors who would favor Trump. Clark, asked about these matters by the select committee during a deposition earlier this year, invoked his Fifth Amendment rights against potential self-incrimination and claimed executive privilege.
FBI officials raided Clark’s home Wednesday, a sign some select committee members saw as part of a rapidly escalating criminal inquiry against Trump’s efforts to overturn the election.
In court filings connected to its investigation, the committee revealed text messages between Perry and then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows in which Perry urged Meadows to elevate Clark at DOJ as quickly as possible. The two also discussed a potential deputy for Clark. The select committee has also obtained testimony that Meadows burned some papers in his office after meeting with Perry during those crucial post-election weeks.
Rosen and Donoghue also described their experiences on Jan. 6, noting that they were on the phone constantly with congressional leaders, cabinet officials, then-Vice President Mike Pence and senior White House aides. But they noted that they never heard from Trump amid the chaos.
Betsy Woodruff Swan and Anthony Adragna contributed reporting.
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The Dems are absolutely tone deaf. No argument from me there.
You’re still deflecting, however.
Oh, and the most damning statements throughout this whole thing were made by Republicans, both as witnesses and on the panel.
Talking about the problems our country is experiencing, the inability of the Democrats to remove their own heads from their rears, and talking about the gravity of everything coming out of these hearings is to me like chewing gum and walking in a straight line. They are all issues to be discussed.
If you don’t think this is a serious issue, well then, I don’t know what to tell you. You’ve based your facts on your conclusion and not the other way around.
You guys can respond in a “Thanks Y’all” style format with memes and gifs and whatnot, but it’s just that. Deflection and projection. No substance.
January 6th was clearly an attempted coup, albeit a very poorly run coup. But now they know where their mistakes wete. If trump is re-elected I have no doubt he will take another run at it. This time make sure he has the right lackeys in the right places
a failed coup attempt is merely the trial run for a successful coup attempt.
It wasnt even an attempted coup. It was an out of control mob. Did you watch the video of them in the capital? They arent trying to take control of anything. They are walking around clueless.
You haven't been watching the hearings. The mob was the weapon. The coup was the plot to subvert the transfer of power. A plot hatched at/near the top. There is no debating this- it's all being laid out in front of the American public as I type this.
These hearings are 3 hours long. That means we've now had 15 hours of irrefutable testimony, dot-connecting and damning 1st-person reports of who said what at what specific time. Damning testimony that exposed plots to send fake electors and fake electoral ballots. Plots to replace key officials with lackeys that were foiled by decent people saying 'no- I won't break my oath for you.' A 7-layer plot, dissected on a lab table for all America to see, with Liz Cheney playing the role of Biology Teacher. 15 hours of this.
There is video evidence that these people knew they were at the Capitol to stop the proceedings- and said so, on camera. On purpose, with no prevarication whatsoever. They looked into the camera and said: "Trump sent us- this is our duty as patriots." They chanted "Hang Mike Pence," and had a hit list of officials they were trying to find. Plans for "quick strike" weapons deployment were in place, however clumsily executed.
You are wrong. They looked like a motley mob, but that mob was handled/manipulated/used/aimed/directed every step of the way. It failed because these goons executed like baboons.
The tool didn't do this. The "craftsmen" did. And they should be held to account.
It wasnt even an attempted coup. It was an out of control mob. Did you watch the video of them in the capital? They arent trying to take control of anything. They are walking around clueless.
You haven't been watching the hearings. The mob was the weapon. The coup was the plot to subvert the transfer of power. A plot hatched at/near the top. There is no debating this- it's all being laid out in front of the American public as I type this.
These hearings are 3 hours long. That means we've now had 15 hours of irrefutable testimony, dot-connecting and damning 1st-person reports of who said what at what specific time. Damning testimony that exposed plots to send fake electors and fake electoral ballots. Plots to replace key officials with lackeys that were foiled by decent people saying 'no- I won't break my oath for you.' A 7-layer plot, dissected on a lab table for all America to see, with Liz Cheney playing the role of Biology Teacher. 15 hours of this.
There is video evidence that these people knew they were at the Capitol to stop the proceedings- and said so, on camera. On purpose, with no prevarication whatsoever. They looked into the camera and said: "Trump sent us- this is our duty as patriots." They chanted "Hang Mike Pence," and had a hit list of officials they were trying to find. Plans for "quick strike" weapons deployment were in place, however clumsily executed.
You are wrong. They looked like a motley mob, but that mob was handled/manipulated/used/aimed/directed every step of the way. It failed because these goons executed like baboons.
The tool didn't do this. The "craftsmen" did. And they should be held to account.
In order for it to be laid out for the American people.... The American people actuary have to pay attention. Go figure we have some that don't.
It wasnt even an attempted coup. It was an out of control mob. Did you watch the video of them in the capital? They arent trying to take control of anything. They are walking around clueless.
It meets the definition of a coup, no matter how bad you want to downplay it. Face it, you're in a party of traitorous insurrectionists that attempted a coup and failed. Sorry if you are struggling to wrap your mind around that FACT.
Based upon what we've seen, this 'gang that couldn't shoot straight' pretty much laid out their step-by-step on insanely traceable platforms, for the most part. We might yet see more dots connected.
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I've watched every minute of this proceeding and I know how to recognize History being made. I was 14 when Woodward & Bernstein dropped NixonTruth- and I intuited the importance, even way back then. I see this as a moment of importance similar to that place in time.
Follow the leads. Flip the guppies to expose the minnows. Work your way to the sharks.
What should land on the American public's psyche after today's airing of dirty laundry: we came dangerously close to losing our way of governance, save for a handful of people in various roles along the chain who stood up to a coordinated pressure campaign to reject/ignore Our Founding Principles. Too many people failed to step up before things even came to 1/6. That realization should shake us to our core. What should truly terrify us is this: 1/6 wasn't the end of anything. These people are still openly working toward the same ends.
This select committee hearing has been conducted like an expertly-executed prosecuting attorney's trial case: they laid out intent, means, motive, opportunity... and tied each of these elements together in a timeline narrative that leaves zero doubt as to intent, attempt, and end result.
Only a few connex need to be made for a compete picture to be seen.
What America does with this info will tell us what we can expect for the next 10-20 years.
One of the talking heads said it best, paraphrasing it went something like this: "Going into this, the country was almost evenly split politically with roughly 30% of the country counted among the hard-core Trump supporters who will not be swayed by facts. Another 30% on the left are convinced this was a coup and want all of the participants jailed and any political leaders involved removed and banned from holding office. The committee is focused on reaching the middle 40% that CAN BE SWAY BY FACTS, showing them proof that this was not only an attempted coup but that Donald Trump led it."
Eve is one of the right's factually unswayable. There are several of those here. I'm part of the 30% on the left and there are many of us here. But the majority on the board seem to be in the 40% middle. Those are the people we need to reach. Between the January 6th hearings, Supreme Court rulings, Texas GOP Platform, and all of the other rotten to the core republican hate-based actions taken lately and prior to the next two elections; the left hopes to overcome the economic nightmare we are currently experiencing, the ongoing effects of the covid pandemic, and other political topics being weaponized against the left by the Trumpan Q right propaganda machine. Thinking individuals will have to weigh a future under liberal leadership vs. Trumpian/Q leadership. I think it's going to be a no-brainer unless the right does a 180 and runs back to the center, nominating moderate candidates. Either outcome would be good for the country IMO.
lmao A coup? Americans are so soft. Thats not how you do a coup. A proper coup is done with WEAPONS AND BLOOD AND TAKEOVER CONTROL 0F ALL G0VT BUILDINGS. IT IS HIGHLY ORGANIZED AND BACKED BY MILITARY/MILITIAS. Not some idiot protestor mob who is out of control Yall are clueless. You dont have the slightest clue what a coup is.
Do you really believe the garbage you are saying there... "Some Idiot Protestor Mob" You think that's all it was? REALLY..
Have you take the time to view the videos? Can't have, other wise, even you would agree it wasn't "SOME" it was Hundreds of protestors who ADMIT that they were there because Trump told them to be there.
Have you listened to any of the Jan 6 hearings? My guess is you haven't because you don't want to explain how wrong you've been about Trump.
In fairness to Eve, I don't think she's "wrong about Trump." I don't see a whole lot of people - other than the obvious posters on here - who are firmly in Trump's corner.
My problem is the enabling side of it, though, by people who aren't necessarily in his corner, but who can't get over a paradigm belief that it's always the liberals who are at fault. There's a fear element that turns into deflection and willful blindness. To me, that's the biggest problem in all of this.
lmao A coup? Americans are so soft. Thats not how you do a coup. A proper coup is done with WEAPONS AND BLOOD AND TAKEOVER CONTROL 0F ALL G0VT BUILDINGS. IT IS HIGHLY ORGANIZED AND BACKED BY MILITARY/MILITIAS. Not some idiot protestor mob who is out of control Yall are clueless. You dont have the slightest clue what a coup is.
Just because someone is too stupid to do it the right way doesn't mean it didn't happen. Let's recap.
Did he try to coerce state election officials to overturn the election? Yes.
Did he try to coerce the DOJ into overturning the election? Yes.
Did he have help from members in congress by attempting to insert fake electors into overturning our election? Yes.
Were malitia's involved in the insurrection? Yes.
Stomping your feet and yelling won't change any of that.
Theres not a reason the right will respond to you. We all know is a bunch of bs because you all scared crapless for a red wave and have tds. We see through your timewaster. The liberals can only push their hysteral tds button so many times before people tune them out.
That, and people are more concerned about real life problems such as inflation and gas prices.
No matter how many time the prez and libtards try to deflect from that, it wont work. Because its peoples lives at stake.
Dems look bad crying about Trump for the nth time, instead of dealing with actual problems in this country. It will backfire. Dems look tone deaf.
Well I have responded any number of times to this Kangaroo Court, Dog and Pony show.
I shall respond again...
Prepare for page 5 of this open and shut case, PFFT!
You earn some types of respect. She has not earned that type. I can respect someone for their humanity. For being a person that lives a life separate from mine. In this way I ‘respect’ her personhood. But she has made it clear she’s an awful human. I have no respect for her as a member of a collective society. She’s a scourge.
Of course you do. You're exactly the type that would try to compare that to beating a woman or the sexual abuse of women. Some people will reach to any length to try to make a point that doesn't exist. Who is looking to fight again? lmao
You called a women a target because she does not agree with your political beliefs. That's very enlightened of you.
You love playing the victim card from a third-party perspective. I support women on all levels but NOBODY can deny MGT is dumb as hell. She's also the worst kind of person, a fascist and a bigot. Have you seen her comments on LGBTQ? And you take up her cause, that says all I need to know about you.
I said she wasn't rocket scientist material. Get your facts straight.
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In military terms she would be what's known as a soft target.
Most abusers rationalize how they see people that don't agree with them as targets. You have admitted being snarky and crappy to people who "deserve" it. You called a woman who you don't agree with a target. That is the mantra of an abuser.
I said she wasn't rocket scientist material. Get your facts straight.
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In military terms she would be what's known as a soft target.
Most abusers rationalize how they see people that don't agree with them as targets. You have admitted being snarky and crappy to people who "deserve" it. You called a woman who you don't agree with a target. That is the mantra of an abuser.
Seek help.
Using an analogy that she's like a soft target - as in an easy mark - as in low hanging fruit.... Is not calling her a target, or a mark or a fruit. Context is a thing. As it happens she IS a fruit...
When politics quits being religion maybe people will think more critically.
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