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A bunch of video clips from yesterday's OTA camp.


https://brownswire.usatoday.com/lis...ights-see-watson-and-the-offense-thrive/

I am so ready for this season to start.

My last post on this thread was on page 2. I haven't read every post going forward from there so if this has already been discussed somebody just point me to those posts. I saw a brief mention that during OTAs Chubb and Hunt were in the backfield together. That would be a significant change of philosophy in terms of their utilization. If that's true it could also be part of why Ford was drafted. If Hubb, ( I don't like Chunt) are taking reps together then another running-back in rotation with Johnson could be the reason for his selection.

June anyway. Camp opens in July.

June is vacation month for the coaches for the most part.

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I agree, but the NFL isn't going to do us any favors.

That isn't to say they are going to dilly dally to put us in a jam.

Sorry to do this - but we have a member who is going round and asking posters to stay on topic. I find it annoying because I think organic conversation leads to more interesting and natural conversations. But in keeping with the idea of only talking about the title of a thread - it's clear we need another DW thread opened because these two posts - while entirely reasonable and solid posts - are about DW and his impact on our ability to play football and plan for the season.

Thanks for the videos, Pdawg. Can't wait for the season to start. I did make four observations of note from that first vidoe.

1. Cooper's footwork in the drill where he was changing directions was very impressive. Very tight. No wasted movements. Very precise. Much cleaner than the guy who followed him. I think it was Schwartz?

2. Myles is so fluid. Great bend. Stays low. Great feet for such a large man. And the power of his hands was impressive.

3. Watson displayed nice agility and footwork. Athletic and smooth feet.

4. It's hard not to notice just how athletic Njoku is. He looked like a WR out there. Very fluid. Hoping for a big year from him.

Yes, that was Schwartz, and I thought the same thing. Your post pretty much sums up my entire thoughts on those vids.

j/c...

We're going to be needing him, in a big way.

With it looking like we will have no QB, he will be our MVP. And the cycle continues.

He probably would have anyway.

As for QB, assuming Warson is out for the year, or even for good, we will have a QB. How good is the question...lol

I actually think Brissett will be OK. In some ways having a QB like Brissett isn't bad, especially since we have a running game we can lean on. We just added Bell who should be good in the short to intermediate range. That makes it easier, or maybe I should say clearer for how Stefanski game plans the O. I don't see any reason why Brissett can't be a top 15 QB, which with our running game and D should be good enough to win enough games to be a playoff team.

Yes, I say that knowing that what I hope can happen and what actually happens might be two different things.

I don't think Brissett can be a top 15 qb, but I do think he won't turn the ball over as much as Baker so we won't have to limit our scheme as much and I also think he will handle himself in a far more responsible and professional manner than Baker did.

And the Baker bashing continues. With all the issues facing the team of which Mayfield has nothing to do with, let's make sure that we get in our Mayfield hits comparing him to Brissett now.

So, let's jump out there and compare:

2017, Brissett is the starter for the Colts. His record was 4-11 with 3098 passing yards, 58.8% completion pct, 13 TD's and 7 INT's.
2019, Brissett is the starter for the Colts. His record was 7-8 with 2942 passing yards, 60.9% completion pct, 18 TD's and 6 INT's.
Totals: 30 games as a F/T starter, 11-19 record .366, 6040 passing yards (201.3 per game), 59.8 completion pct, 31 TD's and 13 INT's
Career: 2 comebacks, 3 game winning drives

2020, Mayfield is the starter for the Browns. His record was 11-5 with 3563 passing yards, 62.8 completion pct, 26TD's and 8 INT's.
2021, Mayfield is the starter for the Browns. His record was 6-8 with 3010 passing yards, 60.5 completion pct, 17 TD's and 13 INT's in a year where he was injured for 12 1/2 of the 4 games he played in.
Totals: 30 games as a F/T starter, 17-13 record .566, 6573 passing yards (219.1 per game) 58.4 completion pct, 43 TD's and 21 INT's.
Career: 6 comebacks, 7 game winning drives

Everything considered, if Brissett is a top 15 QB in your eyes then Mayfield is a top 10 or better in comparison. Stefanski's scheme will have to be more limited and BS with your constant claims of Mayfield not handling himself in a responsible or professional manner after such heavy support of Watson. Mayfield is the poster child for acting in a responsible and professional manner compared to Watson so give it a rest.

I said that I did not think Brissett was a top 15 qb. Why do you Baker fans insist on telling lies to make your point?

Dude, you are slinging some deep crap right now, lol

Brisset is hot garbage. His ceiling is Baker's floor and I don't even see how anything contrary is remotely defensible.

I mean, if you really want and need to lie to yourself and believe that Brisset is better than Baker, and the team is better off with Brisset , then go for it, but it still doesn't make it true.


Also, I propose that Brisset be referred to as Basset because we're Dawgs, but he's about as ferocious as a Basset Hound.

I didn't say Brissett is better than Baker.

You might say that I am slinging crap, but in the end, the Browns are choosing Jacoby over Baker. Baker has already been excused from TC because according to the team, it was a mutual decision and best for both parties.

You didn't say it directly, but you absolutely insinuated it.
Yes, they have made that choice, but it's because they blew up any bridge there was with Baker with the "we want an adult" comment, not because Basset is a better option.

Please do not use the word "absolutely" when you are speaking of my intentions. I absolutely know what I meant much more-so than you do. Give your own take on the situation and allow me to give mine. Thanks.

I absolutely will use the word absolutely whenever I see fit.
You, for some insane reason, as stated above, clearly believe Basset is a better QB than Baker. That's your right, but it doesn't make it any less absurd or immune from being called out.

Okay, and I will absolutely call you out on when you are absolutely wrong. I did not say or imply that JB was a better QB than Baker. You are just absolutely butt hurt that Baker absolutely is on his way out of town.

So how is this not saying Brissett is better? Talking out both sides of your mouth isn't working for you.

Feel free to disagree with people as much as you want. That's what we do here, despite you claiming it is a personal attack when people do it with you.

And, nope, I don't care that Baker is on his way out. I'm annoyed with this franchise in How they did it, and with Whom they chose for it, but in the end he's just another QB in the carousel, just like Basset and Watson will be. And, you absolutely, most definitely made the insinuation that Basset is better and anyone that knows anything about anything knows there is no way that holds any water at all.

*Brissett

Dawgs.... Basset. As ferocious and feared as Basset Hound.

The insinuation was Brissett is better than Baker. You don't "limit the offense" with a better QB.


And then there is this statement that completely ignores and lacks any context to the situation with the Browns, Watson and Baker. smh

Okay, I will be more clear as to what I believe about the two QBs.

I think Baker is one of the best 32 qbs in the league. I don't think Brissett is as good of a qb as Baker. I hope that is clear enough.

I tried to list one positive from JB's game and said I did not think he would turn it over as much which might help Stefanski w/his play calling. However, that is just an opinion and he may turn it over even more. I don't think so, but anything is possible.

I then added something along the lines that believe JB will be more responsible and professional than Baker. That does not make him a better qb, but it sure helps the team and organization to have less drama.

There’s a Baker bickering session in every thread now?

I think we can all agree on a few things…

He’s likely never going to play for us again.
It was handled very badly by the browns.
It was handled at least pretty poorly by baker as well.
Some maintain a glimmer of hope that both sides will suck it up in the face of an inevitably long Watson suspension but that remains very unlikely.
When he’s healthy he’s better than Brissett, undoubtedly, but more drama.
Whether you liked him before or not is kind of irrelevant at this point. It is what it is.
Brissett is probably the rock chucker game 1. Probably game 17.

I’m the immortal words of Chris Rock…. Let it goooooo.

I'm pretty sure we're just a day or two from the high gas prices being Baker's fault

j/c:

Mark Twain had a very famous saying about what's going on here.

Two times a year, I love it when you can go to the OTA and Training camp thread because it's a great place to hear info, (that's hard to find) about who's doing well in the practices.
And the other time a year it's great to go to the signings and player movement thread because every time you open it you only hear about players that recently signed, even obscure ones, and how they fit into position groups. (nothing else)
So, apart from this time, I almost always try to avoid putting anything in them, because those two are almost exclusively for player news and practice news. But... Since I'm going to clutter it up anyway, why not go overboard...

^ That made me think of the bluegrass song "Tennessee Hound Dog" (by the Osbournes) which includes some of these lyrics.
" He's a dynamite, uptight, outa site backyard romeo-o-o-o"
he looks like ugly oned-over, some dog lovers have said, but he's got more sense in the end of his nose then they've got in their head,
Tennesee Hound dog, Tenn-e-see hou--nnnd doggg, ...
"When he gets that certain kind of look on his face, the she hounds run for a hiding place, when he takes a notion all the girl dogs know,
he's a dynamite, uptight, outta sight, back yard Ro-mee-oooooh
"he looks like skin on a bone pile - A cat wouldn't give him a chance, but when he stretches his long legs out a fox don't stand a chance, Tennessee hound dog, Tennessee hound doggg
Sad faced mooney eyed creature His ears hang down to his knees, The she hounds call him a has been, an old aged home for fleas-- Tenessee hound dog. But
"When he gets that certain kind of look on his face, the She hounds run for a hiding place, cause when he takes a notion all the girl dogs know he's a dynamite, uptight, outta-sight backyard Ro-me-ooh" Tennessee hound dogggg, Tenessee Hound doggg!

He's not the one who said, " I wouldn't want to join any club that would have 'me' as a member." (That was some Rosevelt or somebody, politician.)
Bobby Knight: The will to win is not nearly as important as the will to prepare to win.
2nd. somebody: It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.