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He isn't under pressure to carry the offense
Now he is playing for a coach that is in a win now mode
If Carolina can have success on the ground
Then Mayfield can thrive
But Mayfield can't carry the offense Mayfield was carrying the offense? I mean, if you mean he was the starting QB... then yes... but then he's going to be in the same position as here. What coaches are NOT in "win now mode"? You think after negotiating the asking price for Mayfield down to peanuts that Rhule is going to sacrifice wins to try to develop Mayfield? What makes you think Carolina is going to have more success on the ground than we did?
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I’d rather go down in flames with baker... Have at it. I didn't say this! Don't you put that evil on me! 
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The Panthers have a message board. Those poor, poor people have no idea what is about to happen on their boards. I feel sad for them, but it's kind of funny at the same time. I checked them out too just out of curiosity. I read quite a few of their posts and it sounds varied. About 60% appear to feel it is a low risk, possible high reward. Several are upset that their 3rd pick Matt C won't get reps and the pick was now wasted. Many think that Baker will do just good enough, to ruin their chance to get a prime QB in next year's draft. Some think he was a steal and will be a very effective QB and are talking playoffs and Baker is the 2nd best QB in their division. It made them think they paid way, way, too much for Darnold. Lots of hope they can unload Darnold for draft picks. Whether I liked Baker or not, I am just glad this part is over. The Browns just can't afford to lose to Carolina week 1. On a side note, I looked up Jacoby's career numbers and they are pretty similar to Baker's. I never paid that much attention to him, so they are just #s but I was surprised how similar they were. TD/Int rate & completion %age nearly the same. QB rating very close.
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The Panthers have a message board. Those poor, poor people have no idea what is about to happen on their boards. I feel sad for them, but it's kind of funny at the same time. The company I work for is headquartered in Raleigh/Durham so there are a lot of Panther fans there. I have spoken to a few today. The response has been "meh." Happy they gave up little, not expecting much.
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Glad it’s done. Thanks for the excitement, a playoff win and good luck to you, Baker, starting in week 2.
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I have been waiting for this to happen for a while. Finally getting this done, adding to next year's cap space and giving the Browns some flexibility if some other problems occur. All Positives.
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The Panthers have a message board. Those poor, poor people have no idea what is about to happen on their boards. I feel sad for them, but it's kind of funny at the same time. The company I work for is headquartered in Raleigh/Durham so there are a lot of Panther fans there. I have spoken to a few today. The response has been "meh." Happy they gave up little, not expecting much. Sounds about right.
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so is baker gonna beat Darnold in camp to start week 1 coming off of shoulder surgery?
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Glad that's behind us now. Good Luck in Carolina Baker!
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The Panthers have a message board. Those poor, poor people have no idea what is about to happen on their boards. I feel sad for them, but it's kind of funny at the same time. The company I work for is headquartered in Raleigh/Durham so there are a lot of Panther fans there. I have spoken to a few today. The response has been "meh." Happy they gave up little, not expecting much. Baker just doesn't move the needle or ignite a fanbase in 2022 .It's like "ok let's hope for the best " But nobody hurrying to Buy Mayfield Panther jerseys at the team shop
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so is baker gonna beat Darnold in camp to start week 1 coming off of shoulder surgery? Yes. No matter your opinion of BM - Darnold is worse imo.
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The Panthers have a message board. Those poor, poor people have no idea what is about to happen on their boards. I feel sad for them, but it's kind of funny at the same time. The company I work for is headquartered in Raleigh/Durham so there are a lot of Panther fans there. I have spoken to a few today. The response has been "meh." Happy they gave up little, not expecting much. Baker just doesn't move the needle or ignite a fanbase in 2022 .It's like "ok let's hope for the best " But nobody hurrying to Buy Mayfield Panther jerseys at the team shop Vegas moved the line 3.5 points based on a tweet shared on this board. If you know anything about odds and Vegas - that's an enormous movement of the needle.
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so is baker gonna beat Darnold in camp to start week 1 coming off of shoulder surgery? Yes. No matter your opinion of BM - Darnold is worse imo. is he? to be fair to Darnold, he has not played with a talented combination of o-line and weapons that Baker has. That ain't the browns o-line he's being protected by. and on the flip side, what would Darnold have looked like with stefanski for 2 years with the same talent that baker had? does he still suck? the same? ....better than? hm...
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Jimmy Haslam is the worst owner,
and the Browns have the worst front office in all of sports.
Analytics is a curse,
And the proof will be in the wins and losses.
They shouldn't have even considered anything less than a 1st and 2nd round together.
Panthers and Dolphins Super Bowl. Meh.
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My opinion - but Darnold would never have had the same success Baker had with KS 2020. Darnold hasn't had a great opportunity to succeed - but the Browns were 1-31 when Baker started. It's not like we were a good team - they looked PUTRID with Tyrod as the starter, and the change was instant. Panthers are flat bad - on the one hand maybe Baker will have a chip on his shoulder and surprise, but the Panthers (I believe) were ranked as one of the bottom 3 teams in the NFL on more than one Power ranking, Rhule looks bad and clueless and I expect it to be a crap fest.
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My opinion - but Darnold would never have had the same success Baker had with KS 2020. Darnold hasn't had a great opportunity to succeed - but the Browns were 1-31 when Baker started. It's not like we were a good team - they looked PUTRID with Tyrod as the starter, and the change was instant. Panthers are flat bad - on the one hand maybe Baker will have a chip on his shoulder and surprise, but the Panthers (I believe) were ranked as one of the bottom 3 teams in the NFL on more than one Power ranking, Rhule looks bad and clueless and I expect it to be a crap fest. Your opinion is good. I agree, Baker is way better than Darnold.
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I guess I'm not a good Browns fan cause I hope Baker kicks our ass game one, Same ol Browns. Guess this is another throw away year. I might give away my tickets and go to the massage palor with DW.
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I guess I'm not a good Browns fan cause I hope Baker kicks our ass game one, Same ol Browns. Guess this is another throw away year. I might give away my tickets and go to the massage palor with DW. have fun.
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So... the Cleveland Browns basically bet $700,000 that they could still beat the Panthers with Baker.
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I agree w/you and Cap. However, I was referring more to just how freaking brutal Baker's fans can be. The Panthers were named "Carolina" because it was supposed to be a shared team between Charlotte, NC and Columbia, SC. The two cities are less than an hour and a half apart. The Panther fans down here [I live in Columbia] are not as rabid as Brown's fans. The fans that frequent their message board are going to be shocked and appalled once the Baker fans start tearing into the team, organization, and fan base.
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so is baker gonna beat Darnold in camp to start week 1 coming off of shoulder surgery? Yes. No matter your opinion of BM - Darnold is worse imo. is he? to be fair to Darnold, he has not played with a talented combination of o-line and weapons that Baker has. That ain't the browns o-line he's being protected by. and on the flip side, what would Darnold have looked like with stefanski for 2 years with the same talent that baker had? does he still suck? the same? ....better than? hm... Yeah it’s baker that sucks, along with the 25 browns qbs that sucked before him…or maybe it’s the organization that sucks. I feel fully confident Josh Allen would be in the dumpster now if he had went to Cleveland. And be accurate as well, the oline was beat up all year and they did not have any receiver close to a pro bowl level. Anyways, the browns at least used to be lovable losers, now they are unlovable, moral-less, sell out losers.
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My opinion - but Darnold would never have had the same success Baker had with KS 2020. Darnold hasn't had a great opportunity to succeed - but the Browns were 1-31 when Baker started. It's not like we were a good team - they looked PUTRID with Tyrod as the starter, and the change was instant. Panthers are flat bad - on the one hand maybe Baker will have a chip on his shoulder and surprise, but the Panthers (I believe) were ranked as one of the bottom 3 teams in the NFL on more than one Power ranking, Rhule looks bad and clueless and I expect it to be a crap fest. Your opinion is good. I agree, Baker is way better than Darnold. I think neither one is the long-term answer for any team and that you will be searching for a new qb w/either one at the helm, but I agree that Baker is better than Darnold.
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so does carolina have a similar roster on offense that compares to what baker had here?
if we suck, then that means he's about to kill it at carolina, right? he gonna split with Brady or sweep him this season?
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so is baker gonna beat Darnold in camp to start week 1 coming off of shoulder surgery? Yes. No matter your opinion of BM - Darnold is worse imo. is he? to be fair to Darnold, he has not played with a talented combination of o-line and weapons that Baker has. That ain't the browns o-line he's being protected by. and on the flip side, what would Darnold have looked like with stefanski for 2 years with the same talent that baker had? does he still suck? the same? ....better than? hm... Yeah it’s baker that sucks, along with the 25 browns qbs that sucked before him…or maybe it’s the organization that sucks. I feel fully confident Josh Allen would be in the dumpster now if he had went to Cleveland. And be accurate as well, the oline was beat up all year and they did not have any receiver close to a pro bowl level. Anyways, the browns at least used to be lovable losers, now they are unlovable, moral-less, sell out losers. I understand you feel punked and dismayed we traded baker, but are you really surprised? Baker was gone a few months ago.
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I guess I'm not a good Browns fan cause I hope Baker kicks our ass game one, Same ol Browns. Guess this is another throw away year. I might give away my tickets and go to the massage palor with DW. One of the guys I work with is a Browns fan and wears Browns hats and shirts on a daily basis and said the same thing. I said to him, "do you watch the games and root for Baker, or do you watch the game and root for the Browns ?" He said " Yeah I root for the Browns " Everyone has their own feelings and reactions, but as many times I've seen and heard the same statements throughout the years of being a fan, most of the time the person saying this usually comes back and roots for the Team ! There seemed to have been a locker room issue and this move may have been the best thing for the team and Baker. I feel it's a win win for Baker and the Browns, jmo Get through your feelings and root for the Browns to start their season off winning, because as Browns fans that's what we all want.
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peen, Baker Dawg was never a Browns fan. He only came here because we drafted Baker. He is just bitter.
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so does carolina have a similar roster on offense that compares to what baker had here?
if we suck, then that means he's about to kill it at carolina, right? he gonna split with Brady or sweep him this season? The Browns have a better roster than Carolina does. All that talk about how bad our coaching and roster was is about to get thrown out w/the trash.
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I just thought of something and it's bugging me. They'll be no more Progressive commercials!! Oh My!!! Well, maybe when DW starts playing they can use him. That should be a good public relations move for all parties! 
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So... the Cleveland Browns basically bet $700,000 that they could still beat the Panthers with Baker.
Savage It really is pretty messed up. Being a Browns fan is like taking your dog to the vet every week to be put down. Whoever said that first, they were on to something. 
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peen, Baker Dawg was never a Browns fan. He only came here because we drafted Baker. He is just bitter. Sure and you stopped being a browns fan and ran off when baker was qb, just your typical hypocrisy. I can start and stop being a fan whenever I like. Oh and I’m not bitter about baker being traded, thank God he is free of this curse. I am bitter he had to pass through the hell hole that is the browns though. Ready for week one.
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j/c: Baker Mayfield trade to Panthers creates awkward scenario with WR Robbie Anderson, OC Ben McAdoo over past comments: ‘Short and with small hands’Zac Al-Khateeb 2 hours ago • 4 min read The former Browns quarterback not only accepted a roughly $3.5 million pay cut from his 2022 base salary just to get out of Cleveland, but also must engage in awkward meetings with Panthers receiver Robbie Anderson and offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo. Both Anderson and McAdoo have made less-than-flattering comments about the No. 1 overall pick of the 2018 NFL Draft. Now, their personal success in 2022 may hinge on someone who has good reason to feel slighted by what they said about him. Let's start with McAdoo, who made his initial comments about Mayfield ahead of the 2018 draft, when he was still head coach of the Giants. In speaking to the New York Post, McAdoo characterized Mayfield as short, small-handed and not a "great athlete." MORE: Baker Mayfield trade grades: Browns, Panthers both deserve an 'F' for mutually unhelpful deal "He’s got an edge to him, I like that. He’s gonna lead, they’re gonna follow him,’" McAdoo told the New York Post. "I didn’t see a lot of pro-style football in his college tape. And if you’re short you have to be able to make up for it some way, somehow, and personality doesn’t do that. I didn’t think he was a great athlete. This guy is kinda like a pocket quarterback that is short and with small hands, that’s what I worry about. Moreover, McAdoo considered Mayfield the sixth-best quarterback of the draft behind Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold — who will compete with Mayfield for the Panthers' starting QB position — Josh Rosen and Mason Rudolph. Give credit where it's due, McAdoo was certainly right inasmuch Allen and Jackson are concerned. Darnold has not played particularly well since going No. 3 overall in the 2018 NFL Draft, either with the Jets or Panthers, though that could perhaps be attributable to poor roster situations, at large. Suggesting Rosen and Rudolph were better than Mayfield was laughable, even without the gift of hindsight. McAdoo's not the only one due for an awkward conversation with Mayfield, though. Anderson, who in 2021 was second on the Panthers in receiving yards (514) and first in receiving touchdowns (five) had this to say to an April report connecting Mayfield to Carolina: 'Nooooo.' Anderson doubled down, commenting "Facts" to a follow-up Instagram post saying he didn't want Mayfield in Carolina. Anderson on Wednesday responded to those comments, clarifying that he was merely supporting the quarterback currently on his roster, Darnold, who has drawn good reviews throughout spring practices. Regardless, Mayfield, Anderson and McAdoo all have to move past any potential awkward phases well in advance of the 2022 season. Their success this year could depend on it. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...wkward-comments/o4optvy79fxcdjd2w2vh0rko
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I agree w/you and Cap. However, I was referring more to just how freaking brutal Baker's fans can be. The Panthers were named "Carolina" because it was supposed to be a shared team between Charlotte, NC and Columbia, SC. The two cities are less than an hour and a half apart. The Panther fans down here [I live in Columbia] are not as rabid as Brown's fans. The fans that frequent their message board are going to be shocked and appalled once the Baker fans start tearing into the team, organization, and fan base. Oh, I knew where you were coming from. Agree completely.
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so does carolina have a similar roster on offense that compares to what baker had here?
if we suck, then that means he's about to kill it at carolina, right? he gonna split with Brady or sweep him this season? The Browns have a better roster than Carolina does. All that talk about how bad our coaching and roster was is about to get thrown out w/the trash. I was thinking the same thing. On one hand, the losses were because of some combination of offensive line, receivers, coaches, defense, and play-calling. On the other hand, the notion that he needed things just right (roster talent, play calling) to be successful has been dismissed. Baker took this team to the playoffs, anything less in Carolina should be a disappointment, no?
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A real Browns fan. Guess you are now a troll. Go Browns!!!
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