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Originally Posted by Swish
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She has the ability to get on the phone with more moderate senators and try to work deals.

and this post proves you and oob haven't been paying attention to much of anything.

she is a house rep who helped pass abortion rights protection TWICE in the house. one thing you two haven't explained is why republicans in the senate would need an explanation - or bother listening - about the importance of abortion protection in this country.

it's freaking hilarious how young women has to explain to a bunch of old people why rights are important. it's even funnier watching two conservatives argue that the old, more experienced republicans in the senate need guidance from a young women in the house because they're too stupid to know why.

guys, let's say this out loud here: oob and frank believes that it's AOC's responsibility to not just do her job in the house, but also do the job of the senate, as well. despite not being a senator, and not being a republican who lives in states actively opposed to abortion rights.

only people who haven't been paying attention would believe in such nonsense.

Again you try to tell me what I don't know or what I believe.

I don't know what she has tried, or hasn't tried. I don't know what she has done or hasn't done, especially when you consider a lot of what happens occurs behind closed doors. I do know that getting fake arrested is nothing but publicity for another run at office, it isn't doing anything of import.

So if used to be there was a lot more compromise. Now everyone, both sides, is all "MINE MINE MINE" like a bunch of two year olds. It happens with all the politicians in DC, not one just one side. Most people only want to acknowledge that the people they don't agree with act like children, and far too many here seem to think I am some sort of Republican. I don't like any of them. They are mostly selfish idiots that can be useful at times. So maybe try to step back bro, and quit telling people what their view point is when you are only using your viewpoint to decide.

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You do realize it was 15 members of congress, right? I'm not sure why it seems that AOC has become the target considering she's 1 out of 15. I guess it's kind of like when anyone mentions socialism all they do is point at Venezuela.

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Did I say that? Or did I respond to a different idea?

Are you saying she has?

To claim it wasn't a direct insinuation by you is disingenuous at best. I'm not the one who just threw crap at the wall to see if it would stick here.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
You do realize it was 15 members of congress, right? I'm not sure why it seems that AOC has become the target considering she's 1 out of 15. I guess it's kind of like when anyone mentions socialism all they do is point at Venezuela.

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Did I say that? Or did I respond to a different idea?

Are you saying she has?

To claim it wasn't a direct insinuation by you is disingenuous at best. I'm not the one who just threw crap at the wall to see if it would stick here.


To claim you will make stuff up to have an argument is pretty straightforward.

You are the one that likes to insinuate things, without the intestinal fortitude to say them like a man. Go get yerself some help.

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you're the one implying that she didn't try to reach out. i didn't imply she did or didn't. but she DID do her job.

you put that out there, so you're already telling me what you believe. so don't get mad when i describe what you believe lol

and silly me, i didn't know we were supposed to compromise with regards to our RIGHTS. you're certainly not making that argument in the mass shooting thread dealing with the 2a.

but thats what happens to those who are intellectually dishonest with themselves...


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Yeah arresting women fighting for their rights y’all enjoyed taking away. Good for you. Enjoy your deplorable selves.


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And someone could pull the bar stool out from under ya. And we’d laugh.


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Originally Posted by FrankZ
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You do realize it was 15 members of congress, right? I'm not sure why it seems that AOC has become the target considering she's 1 out of 15. I guess it's kind of like when anyone mentions socialism all they do is point at Venezuela.

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Did I say that? Or did I respond to a different idea?

Are you saying she has?

To claim it wasn't a direct insinuation by you is disingenuous at best. I'm not the one who just threw crap at the wall to see if it would stick here.


To claim you will make stuff up to have an argument is pretty straightforward.

You are the one that likes to insinuate things, without the intestinal fortitude to say them like a man. Go get yerself some help.

Once again you deflect away from the question at hand because you have no answer. And you know it. Then claim it's someone else who needs help. Sad, sad little man you are.


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Originally Posted by Swish
you're the one implying that she didn't try to reach out. i didn't imply she did or didn't. but she DID do her job.

you put that out there, so you're already telling me what you believe. so don't get mad when i describe what you believe lol

and silly me, i didn't know we were supposed to compromise with regards to our RIGHTS. you're certainly not making that argument in the mass shooting thread dealing with the 2a.

but thats what happens to those who are intellectually dishonest with themselves...

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so she has the ability as a house rep to change the minds of the republicans, who hold 50 seats in the senate?

All I said was she had the ability to make phone calls. I did not imply if she did or didn't. Don't read too much into a simple sentence.

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Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Yeah arresting women fighting for their rights y’all enjoyed taking away. Good for you. Enjoy your deplorable selves.

She was only fake arrested i.e. moved out of the street.

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Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by Swish
you're the one implying that she didn't try to reach out. i didn't imply she did or didn't. but she DID do her job.

you put that out there, so you're already telling me what you believe. so don't get mad when i describe what you believe lol

and silly me, i didn't know we were supposed to compromise with regards to our RIGHTS. you're certainly not making that argument in the mass shooting thread dealing with the 2a.

but thats what happens to those who are intellectually dishonest with themselves...

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so she has the ability as a house rep to change the minds of the republicans, who hold 50 seats in the senate?

All I said was she had the ability to make phone calls. I did not imply if she did or didn't. Don't read too much into a simple sentence.

You seem to be implying you wrote something of no substance or value and that it should be ignored ? If that's not what you meant can you explain because that's my take away based on what I read at the moment.


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He thinks everyone who reads what he posts must be stupid and tries to circumvent what he posted by playing denial. He makes insinuations then pretends he didn't. Watch, he'll deny it again.


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I don't have a problem with her protesting. I think it is goofy, but she has that right.

She and the others don't have to right to block traffic and infringe on the rights of others to drive down the road. Cuff them, book them, then set a court date.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I don't have a problem with her protesting. I think it is goofy, but she has that right.

She and the others don't have to right to block traffic and infringe on the rights of others to drive down the road. Cuff them, book them, then set a court date.

driving isn't a right, it's a privilege, remember?


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Originally Posted by Swish
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I don't have a problem with her protesting. I think it is goofy, but she has that right.

She and the others don't have to right to block traffic and infringe on the rights of others to drive down the road. Cuff them, book them, then set a court date.

driving isn't a right, it's a privilege, remember?

Right. But once the privilege has been granted by meeting all of the requirements and you are licensed to drive, you have a right to drive on the roadways. People don't have the right to stand in said roadways and block traffic.


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Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
And someone could pull the bar stool out from under ya. And we’d laugh.

Typical personal attack generated by the left.

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Originally Posted by Swish
so she has the ability as a house rep to change the minds of the republicans, who hold 50 seats in the senate?

If the choice is to stand in front of them as a colleague, or staged theatrics outside the SC... I think it's obvious which has the better chance of success.

Or... start hitting them where it actually hurts (voters and campaign $$$). AOC has a platform unlike many of her colleagues....


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Yeah arresting women fighting for their rights y’all enjoyed taking away. Good for you. Enjoy your deplorable selves.

Where were you when mens rights were taken away??? Woman gets preggers not by her damn self. The man wants the baby and wants to raise it with her/ or without her. You prefer to just tell the man to shut the hell up and watch His baby get slaughtered. You and many others keep screaming about woman's rights. Yet you ignore mens rights 110 percent.


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If the choice is to stand in front of them as a colleague, or staged theatrics outside the SC... I think it's obvious which has the better chance of success.
Or... start hitting them where it actually hurts (voters and campaign $$$).



Do you really believe any republican senator will listen to AOC? Change their vote because she spoke to them? By these "theatrics" going after their voters and campaign money is exactly what she is trying to do.

So to answer your question, these "theatrics" have a much better chance of influencing the senate than her going and talking to them face to face because in that scenario all the republican senators will do is roll their eyes.


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While I don't dismiss your point, it seems some also ignore dead beat dads. My daughter went through that for over a decade. It's certainly a balancing act to be sure. As of the 2018 census only 44% were receiving all of their child support. Approximately 66% received some child support.

So I guess if a father is willing to sign that he will take full custody of an unborn child upon birth it should be up for discussion. But it still begs to question since the father takes on none of the burden and health risks involved in pregnancy or giving birth.


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Originally Posted by Jester
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If the choice is to stand in front of them as a colleague, or staged theatrics outside the SC... I think it's obvious which has the better chance of success.
Or... start hitting them where it actually hurts (voters and campaign $$$).



Do you really believe any republican senator will listen to AOC?

In most cases, no. Her reputation proceeds her. But then again... that's probably all their fault, I'm sure she bears no responsibility.


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Anyone can protest and shut down a street. Not everyone has a badge to get into said buildings where lawmakers work, much less have the ability to call them an equal. Saying the best way to get laws passed is to get up out of the seat you were elected to and pretend to be in handcuffs when you're not is essentially punting the responsibilities and privileges her election got her.

I am well aware of who the blame lies with here. Abortion is one of those topics where everyone is so dug in that no actual resolution seems possible. Maybe it is pointless and the only thing she can get out of the fight for abortion rights is some publicity. I refuse to believe that and it's really disheartening to see someone who actually has the tools to make a difference waste time/effort like this.


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And therein lies the problem. The inciteful rhetoric that comes from both sides make it nearly impossible for either side having any willingness to listen to the other side.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
While I don't dismiss your point, it seems some also ignore dead beat dads. My daughter went through that for over a decade. It's certainly a balancing act to be sure. As of the 2018 census only 44% were receiving all of their child support. Approximately 66% received some child support.

So I guess if a father is willing to sign that he will take full custody of an unborn child upon birth it should be up for discussion. But it still begs to question since the father takes on none of the burden and health risks involved in pregnancy or giving birth.

Maybe if the courts would allow the father to take the full burden then more kids would not be murdered in the womb. However nobody ever stands up for the mans right around here except for me.


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As remote as it is, it's more likely than them being swayed by her getting fake arrested.


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I don't think you would see as many men stand up and take on such a responsibility as you think you would. They talk a good game and want to control the decision of women, but when it's time to put their feet to the fire, getting burned doesn't seem nearly as attractive to them. I know when I was a young man, yes, back in the stone ages, it was far more often that the boys/boyfriends were trying to get their girls to get the abortion, not the other way around.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
And therein lies the problem. The inciteful rhetoric that comes from both sides make it nearly impossible for either side having any willingness to listen to the other side.
This 100.

And they really do believe "theater" is more effective. That's on us...


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I am just going off of my friends who are men. I can't speak for every man, although so many posters around here think they can. If they can't stand up for their own children then I want nothing to do with them in everyday life. They don't want to control womans lives, but they won't back down and watch their own child be murdered. We are close to the same age bro, and back in the day I punched several guys in the face for having and suggesting their girlfriends/ or in most cases one night stands abort the baby. I have felt and acted this was since 1973.


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Originally Posted by GMdawg
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While I don't dismiss your point, it seems some also ignore dead beat dads. My daughter went through that for over a decade. It's certainly a balancing act to be sure. As of the 2018 census only 44% were receiving all of their child support. Approximately 66% received some child support.

So I guess if a father is willing to sign that he will take full custody of an unborn child upon birth it should be up for discussion. But it still begs to question since the father takes on none of the burden and health risks involved in pregnancy or giving birth.

Maybe if the courts would allow the father to take the full burden then more kids would not be murdered in the womb. However nobody ever stands up for the mans right around here except for me.

I have, but maybe in other ways. The vast majority of abortions are done because the woman doesn't want the baby. Maybe because she doesn't want kids, she can't afford a child, isn't emotionally ready...whatever.

Men should be given the chance to abort their responsibilities for the same reasons. They might not be able to abort the child, but if things were equal, they should be able to legally sign away their responsibilities because they may not be emotionally ready, can't afford it, or just don't want a kid.

If women have that option, men should too.


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Sorry, can't agree w/that one. If a man gets a woman pregnant, he should be man enough to support the child. No one made him have sex. No one demanded he not use a condom.

The lack of accountability by too many selfish folks is a drain on our society.

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Just a sham/scam to get votes. Now those people get to say "I got arrested for protesting X". Fake as all get out. Fake, scripted, and "news footage".

Pathetic, really.


Really loved the part where she held her arms behind her like she was cuffed to make a better photo...

She's soooo courageous!

She is courageous,, She at last stands up for PEOPLE.... You guys stand up for a criminal


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I'm just going to say this: I'm glad I talked my at the time girlfriend out of having an abortion. Shoot, I even married her. That ended bad, just 3 years later. She was pregnant with some one else's kid.

My son is glad I didn't 'allow' an abortion as well.

I paid child support for about 9 years. It had to be mailed, or dropped off at the Courthouse. Good move, really. That way my ex couldn't call me and gripe about not getting it. Although, she did.

At 12, son wanted to move in with my and my wife. He did, legally. Ex didn't pay child support, ironically. Maybe here and there, but her excuse was "I don't have the money." (yeah, and you take money out of my sons savings account so he can 'buy presents' for others????)

Oh, when I finally got a hold of the county agency, told them how much she was in arrears, gave them the paper work showing custody, etc..... They said "we'll take care of it." Garnished her wages. My son, another son (glad she didn't abort him) and after her last divorce, 3 other sons. She had to pay for only MY son. $50 a week. Yeah, when she was about $6000 down, that's when I contacted the county.

Son was a nurse, now he's a Family NP. His brother is a traveling nurse - but doesn't leave Columbus. The other 3?

Those 2 are great friends, live close to each other, hang out all the time. Son's mom? On her 3rd marriage hit what she wanted - someone with money.

I get along just great with all 4 of my son's 'brothers', but especially the one closest in age to my son. Nothing was his fault - he got born. Good dude, good wife, good job.

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Originally Posted by Damanshot
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Just a sham/scam to get votes. Now those people get to say "I got arrested for protesting X". Fake as all get out. Fake, scripted, and "news footage".

Pathetic, really.


Really loved the part where she held her arms behind her like she was cuffed to make a better photo...

She's soooo courageous!

She is courageous,, She at last stands up for PEOPLE.... You guys stand up for a criminal

Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump... Whatabout, whatabout, Trump-Trump-Trump-Trump.


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Originally Posted by FATE
Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

i'm sure that's exactly what's chanted in...champion, ohio.


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Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by Damanshot
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by jaybird
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Just a sham/scam to get votes. Now those people get to say "I got arrested for protesting X". Fake as all get out. Fake, scripted, and "news footage".

Pathetic, really.


Really loved the part where she held her arms behind her like she was cuffed to make a better photo...

She's soooo courageous!

She is courageous,, She at last stands up for PEOPLE.... You guys stand up for a criminal

Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump... Whatabout, whatabout, Trump-Trump-Trump-Trump.

It's encouraging that you know who the Criminal is.. That's good news.. Maybe your starting to get enlightened...


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Sorry, can't agree w/that one. If a man gets a woman pregnant, he should be man enough to support the child. No one made him have sex. No one demanded he not use a condom.

The lack of accountability by too many selfish folks is a drain on our society.

No one made the woman have sex.

If the woman doesn't want the child, she can chuck it in the can. The guy has to take it, wanted or not. Equal rights are equal rights. Right?

For the record I am not saying this because I agree with what I said. I am just pointing out from a equal rights basis how flawed this idea is about it being a womans rights issue. If a woman is granted the right to absolve her responsibility for whatever reason she decides, a man should have the same rights.

This recent SC ruling may leave it up to the states to decide, but it really doesn't nothing to remedy this inequity. A man should have some self determination over this issue as well. If we are going to tell men to "man up", we should tell women to "women up".

I agree totally with your comment about accountability assuming you are including all members of society.


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But the whole process (after conception) is at its core, unfair. Men don't have to carry the child, and all that is involved in that. Men don't have to birth the child, and all that is involved with that including the recovery as well as the decision of how the child will be fed.

It's my belief that this inherent unfairness has sorta been used to let men off the hook. That should be fixed but I don't think we're ever going to get to a point where things are "equal".


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Did this farce change anybody's mind from pro life to pro choice? What did this little twit accomplish besides holding up trafic?

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Originally Posted by GMdawg
We are close to the same age bro, and back in the day I punched several guys in the face for having and suggesting their girlfriends/ or in most cases one night stands abort the baby. I have felt and acted this was since 1973.

I never considered assaulting someone as a resolution or practical way of dealing with the situation.


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peen, I think both men and women should be held accountable. However, my point is that all too often, dudes run around like alley cats, get a woman pregnant, and then tell her to get an abortion because they don't want to support the kid. That's BS!!!

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