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Baker Mayfield had to pay a team to let him play this year.

Have we ever seen anything like this before?

Yet nobody knows as of now if he'll get paid "less than before". The money is still on his contract. It's just in the form of incentives. We'll know at the end of the season if he'll get paid "less than before".

Come on j, this isn't difficult. The money is still in his contract. Claiming some crazy things that have been posted like "he wrote a check for 3 million to play" is just nonsense. You know that no matter how much you protest.

I do however understand how agreeing with me that the FACT that the money is still on his contract would make you the black sheep of the Dawgtalker family so I get it.

Is that money still on his contract in the form of incentives? Yes it is. Which makes your post a lie. He didn't pay anyone anything and his contract is still worth the 18.8 million it was to begin with based on the incentives in the contract. But if you insist on continuing to lie about it......

This is making me really, really miss the Couch-Holcomb days.

I have a mailer from Publisher's Clearinghouse saying I "may" have already won 40k/mo for life. But unlike you, I don't count that as income.

Apples and oranges IMO.

Nope, still a ton of dead horses being beaten.

Hey, where’s the guy with the dead horse giff?

The point is Baker gave up money he had in the bank in the way of guaranteed money. I am not saying this to argue against you. I am simply saying your statement isn't true, even if baker didn't write a check to refund somebody some money.

Maybe we should just move on to other points?

No...he simply did not do that ^

I'm not sure what the point is here?

That's a great deflection to try and work around the fact his total contract is worth the exact same amount as it was before the trade.

No incentives have been reached. It is worth 3M less than what he had guaranteed. He paid to play.

Salary, compensation details of Panthers' trade for QB Baker Mayfield

Mayfield’s deal, which runs through the upcoming 2022 campaign, is worth a total of $18.8 million. Of that total, the Browns have agreed to pay $10.5 million with the Panthers footing just $5 million of his base salary. The remaining $3.5 million, as agreed upon by Baker himself, has been trimmed per Mike Garofolo.

He can, however, earn back that $3.5 million if those aforementioned incentives—whatever they may be—are reached.

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2...ensation-panthers-browns-baker-mayfield/

He forteited money he once had, and there's no guarantee of ever getting it back. He paid to play.

I feel dumber every time I click into this thread, and then even dumber for not remembering that this is all that this thread is.

The degree of fighting over semantics is ridiculous.

No problem purp. I didn't know that 18.8 was that difficult to understand. My bad.

Alvin Kamara, the Saints gifted RB, is facing a possible 6-game suspension for his felony battery charges. His actual court appearance is on August 1st. The NFL could also put him on the Exempt list. According to this article:


A lot of people think the Saints might be a sleeper team to reach the Super Bowl this year. They have M. Thomas coming back, they drafted Olave, and signed Landry. Winston was playing pretty good before he got hurt last year and he is returning. Their defense is excellent.

I think the Saints would be in the market for a RB should Kamara face a lengthy suspension or be put on the Commissioner's Exempt List. I wonder if we could trade them D'Ernest Johnson in exchange for something decent?

When we re-signed Johnson to the one year deal, it was mentioned by a couple posters that a trade situation (in general) was probably the reason and in the making. It would be too bad to lose him as a speller and insurance, but I'm hoping - like you - that we might get something decent in return if it happens. Johnson has some pretty good tape for interested teams to watch.

No team matched our tender, so the market wasn't very favorable then, but things could change with injuries in training camp.

This I don't get. They are wanting a full year plus for Watson but 6 games for this?
I haven't seen the video footage, but there apparently is video. And from the description it is significantly worse than anything Watson is accused.
Have some kind of consistency, whatever that consistency is. If Watson is an indefinite suspension year minimum, this this should be that as well.
If this is 6 then Watson should get no more than 6.

My guess is that it's the number involved with Watson. With Kanata, it was a one-time deal that unfolded a while ago so everyone forgot about it.

Perhaps, but if what I am hearing is accurate, 100 acusers of Watson still wouldn't be as bad as the Kamara incident
- again I have not seen the video myself, just going by the description.

It's hard to compare the two for several different reasons.

The Kamara incident is more recent than the Watson's and there was video evidence. On the other hand, I doubt that Saint fans are openly campaigning for Kamara to be suspended like some "Browns fans" are w/Watson.

Wow! That's crazy. Says a lot about Murray.

I remember a pretty big uproar over it. But like everything these days, it's been forgotten.

It is and it isn't hard/easy to compare the 2 (Kamara/Watson). Drunk night in Vegas vs pattern of behavior, no evidence/he-said-she-said vs video, vicious beating vs whatever it was Watson did.

Agree or no, but I can understand why it's easier to arrive at a punishment for Kamara than Watson. We'll argue about what those punishments are until the cows come home, but Kamara's punishment should be much more straightforward.

Do you really not see the difference between a drunken brawl man-on-man versus one man accused by 24 different women of some degree of sexual misbehavior? Imagine if "Browns fans" rooted for their starting QB to fail on the filed...now THAT would be sick.

Your entire post is full of errors. Four on one is not man-on-man. Video evidence and eye-witnesses trumps hearsay. I never wished for Baker to fail. He's gone. Get over it. Get your last word in. I won't respond, but you are completely ridiculous.

I want to get back to the Kyler Murray thing. They are talking about it on Get Up.

The fact that the Cardinals had to write the four hours of studying in a week is crazy. Two former players are talking about how they did that every single day and that this speaks to Murray's lack of commitment and verifies the negative stories that were leaked earlier about him not working hard, being immature, and being selfish.

Kyler should be embarrassed. how you a nfl QB and they gotta put this in your contract? its a huge indictment on HIM because his agent allowed it, HE allowed it, and the NFLPA ok'd it.

damn bro thats pathetic.

From a NYT profile of Kyler Murray in 2021....

“I think I was blessed with the cognitive skills to just go out there and just see it before it happens,” Murray said. “I’m not one of those guys that’s going to sit there and kill myself watching film. I don’t sit there for 24 hours and break down this team and that team and watch every game because, in my head, I see so much.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/sports/football/kyler-murray.html

Good luck with that AZ!

I wonder how the team is going to monitor him studying on his own each day? Surveillance cameras in his home? LOL......this is crazy.

Rigggghht...

Actually the big difference between Saint's boards and this place is there are no "crybabies" telling other fans they shouldn't have feelings on the subject.

And this is just a quick skim through the first three pages...


Nice try.

Regarding how Murray's study time will be monitored, I heard on the radio that the study materials (playbook, scouting reports, game film, etc) are digitized on the Surface Pro's we see on the sideline during games. Log-ins, clicks, progress levels will be revealed to whomever is watching it for the FO/coaching staff. Of course that doesn't mean Murray couldn't hire some graduate assistant football coach do the work and summarize it for him. IMO, needing that to be in his contract is a reason not to sign him. Let him go play baseball.

Thanks for the information. I didn't know they could do that. And I agree that if the team has to write it into the contract, he probably isn't the right guy.

Forgot about that (digitized playbooks). Wouldn't be too hard to enable 'babysitter mode'. I bet needing this function is more prevalent than we would think.