DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Deshaun Watson Legal Issues cont.

Numbers game....how many walked out after seeing too small a towel....professional vs money. DW's human, he's 26 and likes sex-----crimes all around. I hope he isn't getting massages in Cleveland. Go Browns!!!

I'm not sure if any did. Wasn't he caught "with his pants down" after a Pats SB Win in Florida?

I don't know, maybe there was a complaint.... not sure

None I'm aware of. The hilarious part about it is that some people can't seem to understand the word "consensual" and try to act like there isn't a huge difference here in their zeal to make excuses for watson.

You should read these articles and decide for yourself if Kraft's actions were a violation of the Personal Conduct Policy.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/the-disturbing-saga-of-robert-kraft


https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...-prostitution-sex-trafficking-ncna976361



https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur...-parlor-arrest-sex-worker-fined-1098303/


There are tons of these articles. I can provide more if you wish or search for Robert Kraft and sex trafficking.

Also, here is a link to the Personal Conduct Policy. Read it for yourself. Hell, you only need to read the first paragraph that owners are included.

https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2018%20Policies/2018%20Personal%20Conduct%20Policy.pdf

Since your English is so impeccable try looking up the definition of consensual. Desperation to make up excuses for terrible behavior causes reactions like yours.

I'm sure his actions were against league policy.. That's not what Pit asked however. He asked if there were any women accusing Kraft,,, I don't know of any.... do you?

Sexual trafficking is considered rape by almost everyone. The women don't have the power to accuse anyone of anything. It's a problem that plagues not only our nation, but the world.

The topic of this thread is about whether or not he should be suspended or not. Those who want him suspended argue that the fact that Watson has not been charged, nevermind convicted, of a crime is not relevant because it is all about him violating the Personal Conduct Policy. Well, according to the terms of the Personal Conduct Policy, Kraft violated it and he didn't receive any punishment at all. There is even video evidence of Kraft's actions.

The NFLPA is using Kraft, along w/Snyder and Jones, as examples of precedence in how the NFL deals w/players vs owners despite their claim that the owners are to be held to a higher standard. Kraft walked for worse violations, thus Watson should not be punished.

j/c...

Y'all remember that one time in court when you said you shouldn't get a ticket because other cars were speeding too?

This is a total canard. Kraft was never accused of anything other than having a consensual encounter at a Florida massage parlor. There were no charges than involved human trafficking. "Sexual trafficking" sounds like a term you just made up to conflate soliciting with human trafficking.

I am not making it up. Did you read the articles? Have your read the Personal Conduct Policy?

It's amazing that on a Browns message board, we have posters wanting a Brown to be punished while defending the behavior of guys from other teams.

Stop being so asinine. Most 26-year-olds like sex. Also, most 26-year-olds that like sex don't lay in wait under the guise of requesting a private massage as a star athlete to acquire said sex... smh. Do you guys even read what you write?

j/c...

Robert Kraft had sex with 58-year-old Shen Mingbi. Police said Mingbi's safety deposit box at Bank of America contained approximately $43,800 in U.S. currency. She wasn't some victim of human trafficking.

We know he had sex with her because a camera was illegally planted by police. The same camera that would have been illegal if video evidence was presented in Watson's trial.

Yet somehow we are supposed to believe no video evidence means Watson did nothing wrong... while video evidence of Kraft having consensual sex with a prostitute makes him a sexual predator. And since this was all part of sting to find victims of human trafficking... that also makes Kraft a rapist by association because "many consider it rape" if a person is the victim of trafficking.

In other words -- no camera on Watson means consensual sex; camera on Kraft having sex with a prostitute means rape.

You would have better luck hanging an elephant over a cliff by his tail than stringing all of that conspiracy together to equal rape. Whack. Some may just say, as one poster put it, Watson Kraft just has a "strong sexual desire".


Oh yeah, Kraft was also caught on video giving cash to another woman -- 39-year-old Lei [censored] (W.a.n.g.), who was facing multiple charges including soliciting, enticing, and procuring others to commit prostitution. She was manager of the spa. She bonded out, at $75,000, and was then under house arrest at her home in Hobe Sound (median home cost over $400,000), where she lives with her husband and son.

Nothing to see here folks, no way to compare the two cases other than "no fair! rich white guy!"

And not co-signing on the ridiculous narrative has nothing to do with being a Browns fan, hating Watson, wishing for the Browns to be losers, loving Baker, or any of that other gibberish.

Once again, I encourage people who have an open mind to read the articles and decide for themselves if the attention brought to Kraft were violations of the Personal Conduct Policy. Watson has not been charged or convicted of a crime. Kraft was charged, but his case was dismissed due to a technicality because other patrons were filmed by the same camera that the sting operation used against Kraft. Those who want to see Watson punished continually point to the fact that the NFL doesn't need a criminal charge or a conviction to punish its members because it's all about what the Personal Conduct Policy.

So again, please ignore the insulting labels like gibberish and canard that posters throw out there and read the articles for yourselves and then read the Personal Conduct Policy and see if both men have violated the terms of the Personal Conduct Policy. You can also google the Daniel Snyder case [who is being investigated by Congress] and the Jerry Jones case.

Decide for yourselves the truth and that way we can spare the back and forth bickering between posters that is a distraction from what really is transpiring in this case.

I'm honestly not sure of what Watson did or didn't do. But the one thing I'm sure of is that he's a bit of a fool for doing what we must acknowledge what's clear and has been reported.

He's a wealthy young black man in America. He had resources available to him through the team he played for.. I'm sure they'd have provided all the massage therapy he wanted..

But NO.. he decided to go off on his own and hire shady women to do whatever he was requesting.

Last I heard, being a fool isn't a criminal offense.. At this point, that's the only thing that is confirmed...

One can say, if it happened once, then that sounds believable that it's on the woman.. But what's the count up to now,, 30, 60? I don't know. But it's too many to call it a fluke.

Watson must have felt entitled to some degree..

I've said it before, Watson is probably a better QB than Mayfield, but he's not even close to being a better man.

If it were, I'd be on death row!

What does he being a black man have to do with anything? Do black men get a pass for being rapey? I must have missed that one in the law or whatever rules apply. And I agree at minimum he's a fool, but the reports also confirm he is rapey.

I'm done with this topic, hope DW gets no or short suspension. Ashley Solis, Watson's most public accuser wanted $100,000 to keep quiet about his actions. That was reported early and not denied by her lawyer. Simple in my book, this has always been about MOSTLY money.

Nobody in the Kraft case was charged with sexual trafficking including the massage parlor owner. Yet another misdirection tactic.

So that's how you describe people who think these women deserve justice and watson should be held accountable for his actions? And that because no women in the Kraft situation even claimed they were victims you try to make it sound like they're the same thing?

Why would nobody be surprised by that?

Show us. And if that's all she wanted, watson offered them all 100k and she turned it down the first time in 2021..... and she turned down the second settlement offer a few weeks ago.

Why should anyone care about Watson. (He won't be around very long.)

The Browns can't commit to anything but new faces.

It amazes me after all the high character digs these same posters made about Baker, that they have zero issues with the new guy. I smell something FAKE.

100.

Fake as all get out.

Baker fans resorting to personal attacks yet again because they can't formulate a decent rebuttal.

Neither Kraft or Watson was charged w/a crime. Kraft got off on a technicality. No charges were ever brought against Watson. Both men were in violation of the Personal Conduct Policy. One got off w/out so much as a slap on the wrist and the league is trying to trying to impose an indefinite suspension on the other. That is not equitable treatment and the NFL should not be permitted to get away w/such outright bias.

One more thing. I have Pit on ignore, but OCD quoted him and I see the claim of "these women deserve justice..." The NFL suspending Watson does not equate to "justice" for the women. If crimes were committed against these women, and that is a big if, then justice would be decided by a criminal court. Hell, they even have an opportunity to find monetary compensation through the civil courts. However, the NFL is incapable of providing justice.

Furthermore, the same folks who want "justice" for Watson's accusers, don't care about justice for the women who are forced into the illegal sex trade. They talk about no women coming forward, yet they ignore the articles and how the women are basically sex slaves and can't even speak English.

Talk about "fake."

Me too

WOW, did you ever over read and over think that one. It's rather simple,, Wealthy Young black men appear to be held to a higher standard... Not right, but it is what it is

Eugene Robinson was arrested for solicitation less than 24 hours before the Super Bowl -- he was allowed to play in the game and was never suspended.

Seventeen members of the 2005 Vikings hired 90-110 prostitutes for their cruise on the "Love Boat"... no one was suspended.

The NFL has never suspended anyone for soliciting prostitution.


I don't know how everyone was raised or where the needle on their moral compass may stick; but paying for sex is not the same as trying to force someone to have sex.

The illegal sex trade is illegal. The illegal sex trade equates to rape.

Both Kraft and Watson were accused of crimes. Neither was charged. All that is left is the Personal Conduct Policy. Both men have brought unwanted attention to the league due to the allegations levied against them. The NFL relies on their Personal Conduct Policy and not the actual legal system. Both men have violated the Personal Conduct Policy, yet the NFL has treated them differently.

I know that guys who utter phrases like "liar, liar, pants on fire" think they are geniuses, but Kessler, the NFLPA's lead attorney on this case and the most respected name in Sports Law, has made precedence [owners vs players] the focal point of his case. I think his word carries more weight than someone who posts baby gifs on the internet to win an argument.

Ahhh... The seventeen members of the 2005 Vikings RAPED 90-110 prostitutes, I stand corrected.

You'd think that case would have garnered more attention. Hmmm...

Fake is claiming these women were forced into anything.

This came from the opinion of one person on how he interpreted what he heard. Nothing more. Rest your laurels on that one. Many others have. In case you missed it, that's not an "official statement".

Watson didn't force anyone.

Once again, you realize this isn't an official statement, right? This is the opinion of what someone heard. I have pointed this out several times but I guess it appears repeating.

We see it on this very board where two people read the exact same thing and come to a different conclusion as to what it means. Whether they even consider it evidence at all.

Even spitting on a person is now considered assault in the eyes of the law while many people do not consider that an assault. Once again, this was one's persons interpretation of what he heard.

Can you explain that if none of the NFL's evidence carried any weight at all, why did the hearing take three days? Surely you can't believe that the case took three days and the NFL provided nothing of substance based on the opinion of what one person thought of the testimony can you?

I'm glad you heard all of the testimony in the three day hearing. I don't know that he did force anyone any more than you know he didn't.

The best QB in Cleveland is the guy that isn't playing.

It's freaking. sad that people will ignore what guys like Kraft did and deem Watson guilty despite no tangible evidence all because they are upset that Baker has been sent packing. Twisting words around to fit their narrow agenda. Denying the truth. Go root for Carolina.