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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
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As a Browns fan, the length of the suspension is depressing, but I'm glad the actual decision has been made. I also think Watson should shut his mouth and just say things like he is going to do all he can to improve as a player and a human being or something like that.

Lost for word. Is his advisers and the Browns top dogs also a bunch of idiots too?

All of you who defended him to the hilt has once again been let down and have to swallow another stupid. who was it that gave him permission to open his mouth in front of a camera in a Cleveland Browns uniform? Haven’t they learned anything since this started? Say hello to dumb and dumber!

All I can say with certainty is that this isn’t over yet, mark my words. Stupid people will always find a way to continue to be stupid.

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No matter the feelings, I am glad things are set and the team can plan accordingly.

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
The FBI must have something to do with it!

Impossible, this is far too organized and makes sense.


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There is a distinct possibility Watson thinks he is innocent and he might very well be. However, it won't do him any good to continue to talk about it and instead, only draw the wrath of people who already have convicted him and want him punished. He should zip it and only talk about how he is going to be a better player and person moving forward.

With that said, it is my hope that a lot of people can talk about their feelings on Watson and league today and that the Refs move all the talk involving Watson--The Person to the Tailgate forum and the Pure Football forum can return to a forum that is about football.

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Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
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The fact the NFL was ok with 11 and he debuts playing Houston, where this all started, looks really bad and very much story-line fishing as Watson comes back to play.

10 games would look better for the NFL, IMO.


Unless the outcome of all of this was determined prior to schedule release in April, or unless the schedule was created with a forward eye to this as a possibility/probability, I'd say that it is just a coincidence.

Why not 10 games or 12 games? What real difference would that have made in all of this?


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
There is a distinct possibility Watson thinks he is innocent and he might very well be.

You said you would accept Robinson's ruling. I guess not.


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Lolz.

Wait until JW takes over. We'll be clamoring for Jimmuh.


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Originally Posted by Rishuz
Just say no comment!

I'll take "What's the absolute dumbest thing DW could say immediately after the settlement is reached" for 400, Alex. Seriously, didn't anyone talk to him?


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Well at least it’s over. It’s not ideal for our franchise but what else is new.

As I said other places, this is a tricky spot for us because it’s tantamount to a wasted season. I thought 6-8 games was the max that Brissett could keep us afloat, but looking at that stretch of games from week 7-12 is BRUTAL


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by FATE
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Funny because before it was announced I was wondering why all talk centered on even numbers

I remember checking and could only find suspensions with even numbers... at least the high profile cases. Do you know of any? Thought I found the reason when I saw "player can return to practice after half the suspension is served".


That is what I heard and saw, as well. The return to facility date and being practicing date sure don't match-up w/that proclamation.

Can anyone explain the discrepancy?

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Just say no comment!

I'll take "What's the absolute dumbest thing DW could say immediately after the settlement is reached" for 400, Alex. Seriously, didn't anyone talk to him?

That was one of my first thoughts. Why the hell didn't anyone coach him on what to say and how to present himself? SMH

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10 games isn't maximizing the suspension while still ensuring he accrues a season.
12 games prevents him from accruing a season and his contract would not advance. The Browns would get his services for the season at the bargain rate he is at AND still get him at that rate next year... the NFL wasn't going to reward us like that.


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JMHO, he sure hasn't paid for any PR help. Why he is innocent- had no father around him as he grew up, he learned about sex from the hood. I'm glad he's in counseling and real glad he's about to start the end of this situation.


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Suspended 11 games with a 5 million dollar fine and mandatory mental heath counseling.... Okay.

Since I'm a big Browns fan I would have suspended him 8 games, plus the 5 million dollar fine and without a doubt much needed counseling. If I wasn't a Browns fan? He would be suspended all season with a 5 to 10 million dollar fine and tons and tons of counseling. Personally, I think Mr. Happy Endings got off easy (no pun intended).

I'm glad the waiting is finally over. Now let's play some football!

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Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
I highly doubt that anybody involved cared about what Watson wants.

It's far more likely that the NFL just wanted to ensure that Watson accrued a season and the Browns didn't reap the benefit of having him for part of the year while still getting him all of next year on that first-year contract number.

Regards 11 games - regards the first game back being vs Houston .... This, 100% imo.


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Why he is innocent- had no father around him as he grew up, he learned about sex from the hood.

That's doesn't make anyone innocent or excuse behavior/choices. It may explain things, but it doesn't excuse anything.


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
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Just say no comment!

I'll take "What's the absolute dumbest thing DW could say immediately after the settlement is reached" for 400, Alex. Seriously, didn't anyone talk to him?

That was one of my first thoughts. Why the hell didn't anyone coach him on what to say and how to present himself? SMH

After all this..why should anyone have to coach Watson about what to say or how to conduct himself?




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Originally Posted by 3rd_and_20
I'm glad the waiting is finally over.

That's my favorite part of all of this. All of the important parts are answered and resolved and all of this can just die off now. I am SO SICK of hearing/seeing/reading about it and all of the inane back and forth.


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Originally Posted by mac
After all this..why should anyone have to coach Watson about what to say or how to conduct himself?

He's had legal counsel surrounding him all along trying to coach him on what to say. It's very hard to do get someone to listen to you when they can't see their disgraceful behavior as wrong. It may also make it nearly impossible for anyone to help change that behavior.


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Originally Posted by jfanent
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Just say no comment!

I'll take "What's the absolute dumbest thing DW could say immediately after the settlement is reached" for 400, Alex. Seriously, didn't anyone talk to him?


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My advice would be for him to no comment his way into retirement lol. Just say no comment I’m trying to help the team succeed


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So it's still not over. Lovely.


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I'd counter that it is merely unique, not strange. It makes perfect sense completely aside from the opponent being Houston.


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So, after Robinson gave the 6 game suspension, it was over. Until it wasn't. Now, it's an 11 game suspension, a fine, and counseling. So, NOW it's over, right?

Oh, snap, nope, not over yet folks.

At least we got our qb of the future.

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Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
Originally Posted by 3rd_and_20
I'm glad the waiting is finally over.

That's my favorite part of all of this. All of the important parts are answered and resolved and all of this can just die off now. I am SO SICK of hearing/seeing/reading about it and all of the inane back and forth.

Absolutely.

In these last few months, it got to the point where I would've settled for the slightly-more-athletic reincarnation of Caligula as long as he could process defenses quickly, not turn the ball over and play his best ball in the 4th quarter.

No more dark thoughts.

I know about our running game, hopes for Njoku and an improved defense - but we are in the hands of Brissett, Rosen and Dobbs.

Who knows what will happen. I'll be watching every game to find out.

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I accepted the 6 games, so naturally, I accept this too. But there are a couple of points I'd like to know more about. Are the in-house browns-approved massages only bit still in place? How long is the mandatory shrink help? And honestly, I can't believe they settled for less than indefinite if he is still denying any wrongdoing. He seriously needs to shut up now, put his head down, and redeem himself with actions because him still denying any wrongdoing just makes him STILL RAPEY IMHO.


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Well he made it "sound like" he accepted wrong doing right up until the final decision was rendered. Then he didn't. And some people actually believe this is over.


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Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
10 games isn't maximizing the suspension while still ensuring he accrues a season.
12 games prevents him from accruing a season and his contract would not advance. The Browns would get his services for the season at the bargain rate he is at AND still get him at that rate next year... the NFL wasn't going to reward us like that.


I thought the punishment was for Watson. Not the browns.



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Just because it turns out you aren't rewarded for your screw ups doesn't mean you were punished for them. Or maybe it does? Maybe a message is being sent not to reward a sexual predator with 24 sexual violations hanging over his head with a record setting contract. Hell if I know.


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Did the Haynesworth suspension have game implications? like if it was six games he would have missed a rival game or something?



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In Watson's defense, he can't openly accept responsibility or admit to any wrongdoing because the statute of limitations is open for 10-years for criminal acts and 5-years for civil. Remember, he still has one outstanding civil case and being he had encounters with 66 women, he's wide open for civil cases from Buzbee and the additional women while the DA can take him to the grand jury as many times as he/she wants if evidence points to criminal activity - like admitting he assaulted the women. There's no such thing a double jeopardy for GJ hearings.

That doesn't excuse him from the stupid azz remarks of standing up there claiming total innocence. Why doesn't he just give Buzbee and the remainder of the 66 women a reason to file more civil suits - dumb azz!


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Originally Posted by BADdog
Did the Haynesworth suspension have game implications? like if it was six games he would have missed a rival game or something?
No, nothing like that. To that point, there had only been two game suspensions for anything that took place on the field.

The 6-foot-6, 320-pound Haynesworth stomped on Dallas Cowboys
center Andre Gurode's head Sunday, knocking off his helmet, then
kicked and stomped his face. Gurode needed 30 stitches to repair
the cuts left by the tackle's cleats.


The egregiousness of the act had many expecting a four game suspension. Rog did them one better and handed out the unprecedented suspension. Why? Because he's Rog and suspensions are largely based on public outrage.


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But if he had a brain he could STFU.


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Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
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Could be that Watson wanted a shot the Houston and the NFL shortened it 1 game to give it to him. Maybe that is their punishment to the Texans.

I highly doubt that anybody involved cared about what Watson wants.

It's far more likely that the NFL just wanted to ensure that Watson accrued a season and the Browns didn't reap the benefit of having him for part of the year while still getting him all of next year on that first-year contract number.
I'd wager that they were locked in on either 11 games or a full season and nothing else was an option.

Sorry if I wasn't as clear on my suggestion. The NFL wanted 12 games, Watson wouldn't agree. It's possible Watson told them if it was 11 games they would have an agreement. He wanted to play Houston, the NFL got really close to their 12 games. So they had a settlement. I didn't mean the NFL wanted him to play Houston.

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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
My advice would be for him to no comment his way into retirement lol. Just say no comment I’m trying to help the team succeed

I 'like' the statement from Dee & Jimmy, owning there is an issue and trying to turn positives out of it. Investing in programs in NEO to grow education, awareness and understanding of sexual misconduct and the underlying causes.

I 'like' the statement from Watson, taking accountability for the decisions he made and apologizing for the pain that was caused.

But the interview screams "The Browns put out a statement in his name."

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Could be that Watson wanted a shot the Houston and the NFL shortened it 1 game to give it to him. Maybe that is their punishment to the Texans.

I highly doubt that anybody involved cared about what Watson wants.

It's far more likely that the NFL just wanted to ensure that Watson accrued a season and the Browns didn't reap the benefit of having him for part of the year while still getting him all of next year on that first-year contract number.
I'd wager that they were locked in on either 11 games or a full season and nothing else was an option.

Sorry if I wasn't as clear on my suggestion. The NFL wanted 12 games, Watson wouldn't agree. It's possible Watson told them if it was 11 games they would have an agreement. He wanted to play Houston, the NFL got really close to their 12 games. So they had a settlement. I didn't mean the NFL wanted him to play Houston.

He doesn't give a second thought about playing Houston, he didn't want his contract to toll.

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Could be that Watson wanted a shot the Houston and the NFL shortened it 1 game to give it to him. Maybe that is their punishment to the Texans.

I highly doubt that anybody involved cared about what Watson wants.

It's far more likely that the NFL just wanted to ensure that Watson accrued a season and the Browns didn't reap the benefit of having him for part of the year while still getting him all of next year on that first-year contract number.
I'd wager that they were locked in on either 11 games or a full season and nothing else was an option.

Sorry if I wasn't as clear on my suggestion. The NFL wanted 12 games, Watson wouldn't agree. It's possible Watson told them if it was 11 games they would have an agreement. He wanted to play Houston, the NFL got really close to their 12 games. So they had a settlement. I didn't mean the NFL wanted him to play Houston.

He doesn't give a second thought about playing Houston, he didn't want his contract to toll.

Valid point as well, but we don't really know he doesn't want a chance to beat them. I'd lean more to your point as the reason he would settle at 11 games.

Edit: I also think the settlement speaks to how much "leverage the NFLPA" truly had, it was discussed they had a ton but it's probably closer to none.

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This sure sounds like Buzbee is on the warpath and this isn't done yet by any stretch of the imagination.


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