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I heard Chuck Pagano heap praise on Brissett saying he’s a big upgrade over Mayfield. We’ll see how right he is.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by cfrs15
2021 Jacoby Brissett was awful and worse than our 2021 play.

And he was healthy.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
And he was healthy.
rofl Oh that's fast becoming a myth by anyone still posting about our former QB. Those that choose to talk about the player no longer on the team and how badly he played never mention the injury ... so you should stop brining that up too.


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I understand how having a firm grasp of the obvious bothers some people. naughtydevil


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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Yep. And they're already setting the stage with excuses for the upcoming "administration"... talking about the all the early injuries at WR.

It will be a different world, but you already know that.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I understand how having a firm grasp of the obvious bothers some people. naughtydevil
Are you facing a 6 game suspension too?


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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No, but if I were the only person now facing one I would certainly be expecting the length of the suspension to be increasing.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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My interest in this season has dimmed.

I am upset by DW and his behavior. I am equally upset by the owners(the NFL) and their behavior.

The Browns have plenty of talent and guys who I want to watch play football.

So I will still watch the games. But I have to admit that the fire is not there.

I am way more excited to be watching MLB playoffs. Pulling for the Braves and Guardians.

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I agree w/this for the most part. I’m still excited for the year, but my expectations for our success have really taken a hit.

We have a lot of talent, but probably won’t be .500, so it’s another wasted year


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I agree with the last few posts. However, there is a way to save this season if DW is suspended for the whole year, trade for Jimmy G. We can probably get him for a #2 and #3 and one of our back-up QB's. When DW comes back next season, we have to be sure he will, we can trade JG for what we gave up for him. If he does really well for us maybe, we can get more in return. Just a thought.

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0 and I7 is a reach, but I think 2-I5ish is a real possibility, so it's frustrating, a frustrating time of year. We can't even look forward to a top I0 pick next year.
I don't know how a Jacoby Brissett led offensive team can win any game, any game whatsoever, at all.
( At lunch time I hear the WKNR soundbite about the Opener, and the defense won't let Baker beat them.) Oh I could imagine,
The Browns defense plays like all stars, the defense gets 6 turnovers, and
the Browns offense Lays' such an egg, that they still only get 3 or 6 points,
and the ... Baker/Panthers, (feels dumb to say) would probably Still get 2I points,, 2I-6 a I6 point victory, I think about fits,

All he knows is he's got to score seventeen. The Browns in 202I couldn't reach I7 points in about 8 of their games last year.


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Well now we know.

Jacoby games -

Panthers, Jets, Steelers, Falcons, Chargers, Patriots, Ravens, Bengals, Dolphins, Bills, Bucs


Deshaun games -

Texans, Bengals, Ravens, Saints, Commanders, Steelers

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First thing that stands out is the division games are equal. Three apiece.


Until I see Jacoby play with this Browns offense I will pass on analysis on he he will fare.

We have a good team. I look forward to watching them play.

I have never been into predicting games. You play each game expecting to win. Knowing any team can beat you if you play poorly.

It will be a challenge but I am hoping for a winning season.

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It's hard for me to say w/out seeing how we look w/Jacoby, but the record might be about the same as last year.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
[Well now we know.

Jacoby games -

Panthers, Jets, Steelers, Falcons, Chargers, Patriots, Ravens, Bengals, Dolphins, Bills, Bucs


Deshaun games -

Texans, Bengals, Ravens, Saints, Commanders, Steelers

I think we should win the games highlighted. 9-8. We need to start 4-0.

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The Browns made the change from Case to Jacoby for a reason.

Jocoby is a veteran backup. He has played and he has been about as expected for a backup.

What we will see is how the staff adjusts? What type of game plans are made? Who will JB develop chemistry with?

Can we develop enough of a passing game to still keep our run game effective?

Now with a clear picture of the schedule can the defense be a savior?

I have high expectations for the defense. I sure hope they come through. Like everyone we don't know how the DT's will do?

However, I think the secondary is really deep and strong. I am happy with the linebacker room. Myles is Myles. He is a great player. Clowney played well for us last season.

This is for sure a week by week deal. Play one game at a time. Find out what we can do well.

I am good to go. Happy to get to games. I will not engage in anything other than pure football. Not my place to get into how people feel. Frankly, my interest is football.


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We have our work cut out for us to be anywhere near .500 until Watson is back IMO. Having them add 5 games means Brissett has to face the Ravens, Bengals, Dolphins, Bills, and Bucs .. OOF


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Doom and Gloom, the Browns way- we BEAT the Bungles TWICE last year, but we lose both this year....come on. Injuries will be huge again. Healthy, we can beat anyone with either QB.
Old school, Blanton Collier- our NFL championship coach said....on any given Sunday anyone can win....GO Browns!!!


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I gave up trying to predict NFL games. I never bet so odds and all that I never even look.

Kinda strange I don't listen to much tv football talk. I tape the games and start to watch about mid-second quarter so I can skip commercials.

The only tv football show I do watch is NFL Match-Up with Greg Cosell. I like that show. Cosell gives great play breakdowns.

As each week comes I try to scout the team we play. Look at favorable matchups. Try to figure our plan to attack on both sides.

Then see if I am anywhere close when the game is played.

Right now I have to see JB with this Browns offense. Full blown question mark to me. I know the rest of the team but JB with this offense. Don't have a clue.

Well I have some guesses. I guess. But over time I will form some opinion on our offense with JB.

I am very ready to move to football by itself. Turn on the game and watch.

* (I am all in on the Braves and Guardians).

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Originally Posted by bonefish


I am very ready to move to football by itself. Turn on the game and watch.


100 percent.

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Personally, I think this is a wasted season. Mostly because I think Baker would have given us the best chance to go to a SB this year. I get why the browns wanted DW, he's an upgrade OR SHOULD BE, but in the long run, I think we will regret this entire episode of the same ole browns. I doubt that we will have the weapons next year that we do this year and I doubt Watson will return to his prior high-level play for at least a couple of years. Sure, you can be off a bike for years and get right back on and ride, but the intricacies of the Pro QB position are in no way comparable. He needs to knock off the rust, learn the playbook, get comfortable with players, coaches, etc. then build the kind of chemistry that helps you succeed on the field. And most importantly, he can't throw to himself and we have a not-so-great WR room IMO. I hope for the sake of the fans this isn't what ends up happening, but I think this is just as likely as him leading us to and winning a SB in the next 3-5 years. And if we can't make the playoffs regularly with DW, this becomes a pitifully poor decision.

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JMHO, but I think Watson missing 11 games is causing more harm than just the 11 games. Because it's only 11 games, 2022 becomes a vested year. That means Watson's base salary jumps from 1.035M in 2022 to 46M in 2023. Add into that jump Garrett's base salary that goes from 1.035M in 2022 to 17.25M in 2023. That 49M in cap space the Browns are currently sitting on disappears with Watson and Garretts increases of 61.18M over 2022 base salaries. I am positive that it almost kills going after Jimmy G and his 24.3M salary he's due in 2022 which I'm sure he'd have an issue renegotiating knowing he'd be out of a job at seasons end.

On another note, if I was Brissett knowing I'm on a 1-year deal for 4.5M and that I'm the starter for 70% or more of the games and with all the talk about Jimmy G - I'm asking for a substantial raise (15M-20M) or I'm sitting out.

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Unless you are the last team standing. You are disappointed.

Winning a Super Bowl is damn hard to do. I have been waiting since 1964. Lots of things have to go right not just the quarterback.

Aaron Rodgers has been playing the position at the highest level for years.

Brady gave the chance to the Patriots damn near every year. What the Pats have done is off the chain.

Five teams have won back to back SB. Two after free agency.

DW should give the Browns a chance. Probably are best chance since Bernie. Still far from a sure thing.

"Wasted?" I guess it depends on how you look at it. When we won a playoff a game. I damn near cried. I was beginning to think we would never have a winning season.

When Cody Kessler started a season as our starter. I needed to vomit before each game. So, I guess it is a matter of perspective.

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I agree .. we will have a better chance with DW than we had with Baker. The problem is THIS year is toast.

The crappy thing is it’s another wasted year for Myles, Chubb, Bitonio, Teller, Ward, etc


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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After the news today I really feel like we are going to finish last in our division and win between 6-8 games. I can't see it any other way unless Jacoby Brissette has a great season. How likely is that? JMO

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Who are they going to blame when the losses start stacking?

7 wins is the Ceiling. ... ????
They have no receivers.
They aren't returning any of their top 3 receivers from last year. Their #2 TE is gone, from last year.
The Starting center is gone from an all star OL,

The Defensive line is in total rebuild mode with No meat up the middle, and they cut Sheldon Day??? Are they kidding?

They spent 3K000 pounds of whatever to trade Baker for what ends up as Brissett and Dobbs, and Brissett and Dobbs throwing to NO RECEIVERS.

A good @uarterback to WR combination, that's built over time, it is like an accurate firearm.
If you don't have either one it's like using the wrong sized ammunition, ( so Bad).


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Originally Posted by THROW LONG
Who are they going to blame when the losses start stacking?

7 wins is the Ceiling. ... ????
They have no receivers.
They aren't returning any of their top 3 receivers from last year. Their #2 TE is gone, from last year.
The Starting center is gone from an all star OL,

The Defensive line is in total rebuild mode with No meat up the middle, and they cut Sheldon Day??? Are they kidding?

They spent 3K000 pounds of whatever to trade Baker for what ends up as Brissett and Dobbs, and Brissett and Dobbs throwing to NO RECEIVERS.

A good @uarterback to WR combination, that's built over time, it is like an accurate firearm.
If you don't have either one it's like using the wrong sized ammunition, ( so Bad).
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Who are they going to blame when the losses start stacking?

7 wins is the Ceiling. ... ????
They have no receivers.
They aren't returning any of their top 3 receivers from last year. Their #2 TE is gone, from last year.
The Starting center is gone from an all star OL,

The Defensive line is in total rebuild mode with No meat up the middle, and they cut Sheldon Day??? Are they kidding?

They spent 3K000 pounds of whatever to trade Baker for what ends up as Brissett and Dobbs, and Brissett and Dobbs throwing to NO RECEIVERS.

A good @uarterback to WR combination, that's built over time, it is like an accurate firearm.
If you don't have either one it's like using the wrong sized ammunition, ( so Bad).

No excuses, none were allowed for 2021 so none are acceptable for 2022 - just saying.


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People, as usual, are over-reacting. JB, with his history of taking care of the ball, our run game and with our defence on the rise, can get us to 7 wins. I don’t think the Bengals are as good as some think, the Steelers are going to slide; the Ravens are the team I worry about the most in our division.

The season isn’t over just because Watson is gone for 11 games.


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The voice of authority.........LMAO. I bet very few people give a rat's behind what you think.

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No excuses, none were allowed for 2021 so none are acceptable for 2022 - just saying.

The voice of authority.........LMAO. I bet very few people give a rat's behind what you think.

Facts don't matter to you?

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Well Joe Thomas had a career of wasted seasons.

To me there is no wasted seasons. Just seasons. Honestly, I watch each game with little expectations just hope.

I seriously don't look at games and think there are sure wins or loses. The NFL is about parity. There are good players all over the league and on every team.

When the Browns won one game in two years. It was because they were built to lose. That was football fan torture.

I don't ever want to go through that again.

There is no way I am going into this year seeing "a wasted season."

We have a lot of very good players. I look forward to watching them play. I see no reason to believe that JB can't win 6 or 7 games with this team.

Who predicted that the Bengals would go the Super Bowl last year? We do a few things better last season in a couple games. We would have been in the playoffs.

I am far from doom and gloom.

Frankly, people can rag on Haslam's or the Browns coaches all they want. They can scream about the DW trade. Does not bother me a bit. DW is a Brown and has a number on his back. When he plays. I hope he plays well. While Jocoby is the quarterback. I am behind him 100%.

I turn on the game and hope like hell we win the game. And that is all.

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I see a season where our defense takes us to the playoffs. 3rd year in the system, and talent at all levels. Our kicking game should be better, and Brissett does not turn the ball over much. Chubb and Hunt are going to carry this team. Brissett is a smart enough guy, to take what the defense gives him, and we have multiple backs who can be good in the passing game. If we win the first game, I think we can win the next three. From there, it is going to take the defense to keep us in the tougher games. I think we will win ten games.


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Really throw?

Why bother? Seriously why bother?

If all you see is negativity why torture yourself?

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Good post.

We have not played a single game with Jacoby. We have not seen Cooper. IMO it would be best to get a look at these two new players on this offense.

We are familiar with most of the offense outside of Pocic. In addition final cuts still need to happen. We may still make changes after we have had a chance to evaluate the players we have.

I agree with you on our defense. I get the DT concern. We really do not know what Winfrey will do? Maybe good, average, or bad. Jordan Elliott is in his third season and has not played much. When he did. He played poorly. However, the word is he is in better condition and focused. Again, maybe good, average, or the same? I don't think we should assume until we see. Every year is different. Togiai? Second season. Usually players improve from their rookie year.
Taven Bryan. Honestly, I need to see him play. If he is average. I am ok with that. If we can achieve average with a rotation at DT. We will be fine.

One place where I think we will see better results from the defense is turnovers. We use lots of nickle and dime. And we have the players to do that.
When you have linebackers that can cover lots of good things can happen. I think Jacob Phillips will play faster. Most everyone knows how I feel about JOK.
Walker is a smart veteran and Taki is an improved player.

I feel very good about the Browns defense.






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Originally Posted by bonefish
Unless you are the last team standing. You are disappointed.

Winning a Super Bowl is damn hard to do. I have been waiting since 1964. Lots of things have to go right not just the quarterback.

Aaron Rodgers has been playing the position at the highest level for years.

Brady gave the chance to the Patriots damn near every year. What the Pats have done is off the chain.

Five teams have won back to back SB. Two after free agency.

DW should give the Browns a chance. Probably are best chance since Bernie. Still far from a sure thing.

"Wasted?" I guess it depends on how you look at it. When we won a playoff a game. I damn near cried. I was beginning to think we would never have a winning season.

When Cody Kessler started a season as our starter. I needed to vomit before each game. So, I guess it is a matter of perspective.

It is. I felt we were almost there and just needed Baker healthy. But when the fans turned on him after the OBJ fiasco, the writing was on the wall. I was actually stunned they went after DW and paid him so much, but I fully expected this year to be Baker's last. Unless he delivered that is, but he never got that opportunity.


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Baker is gone.


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Which of the first 11-12 teams will be able to slow our run game and score a bunch of points on our defense? Defense is strong, and our offense will (should) have a pretty distinct identity.

Jacoby is not Kessler or Kizer.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
Which of the first 11-12 teams will be able to slow our run game and score a bunch of points on our defense? Defense is strong, and our offense will (should) have a pretty distinct identity.

Jacoby is not Kessler or Kizer.
If the run game was everything then the Browns would
Have advanced farther than they have under KS.
A strong running game has its place in the NFL, but I don't
Think you can to the SB with a strong running game.
Look at last 4 SB teams..how many of them had strong
Rushing attacks?
Those offenses identities were throwing the football.

I see alot of Kool aid drinking on the Browns defense
It has alot talented gifted players from Garrett to Ward etc.
But I see a defense that struggled to get off the field
In the 4th of close games.
And so overlooked, the Browns defense doesn't create
Turnovers at a rate to quantify it as a playoff caliber
Defense. It ranked in the bottom of takeaways last year.

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Defensive turnovers has been a focus of the camp. Ward throwing in $400 per turnover.

IMO linebacker play will overall improve and get turnovers. JOK was a rookie last year. He missed sometime and Woods did not want to overwhelm him.

In his second year JOK will be set free. Phillips has speed and talent but he missed a lot of games. I believe he will be an improved player.

The secondary is loaded and deep. We have the personnel to run nickel and dime match-ups. Pressure is always key. We can apply pressure with Myles and Clowney.

So I see more turnovers from this defense this year over last season.

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