Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 9 of 10 1 2 7 8 9 10
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 261
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 261
[quote=MemphisBrownie][/quote]

This sure sounds like Buzbee is on the warpath and this isn't done yet by any stretch of the imagination.


Just "KICKING THAT CAN DOWN the ROAD"
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 12,203
Likes: 586
O
Legend
Offline
Legend
O
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 12,203
Likes: 586
Buzbee is the one person who benefits from this drama extending on as long as possible.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

-PrplPplEater
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,291
Likes: 45
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,291
Likes: 45
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
So, after Robinson gave the 6 game suspension, it was over. Until it wasn't. Now, it's an 11 game suspension, a fine, and counseling. So, NOW it's over, right?

Oh, snap, nope, not over yet folks.

At least we got our qb of the future.
He better win the Super Bowl - that's for damn sure. What a mess. SMH


The Browns finally have a leader in the building. It won't be long before Jim Schwartz is in charge. Thankfully.
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,698
Likes: 390
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,698
Likes: 390
What if he doesn't?

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,828
Likes: 177
H
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
H
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,828
Likes: 177
If he doesn't? Then it'll be our usual disappointment, frustration and hurt. WE should all be used to it now.

1 member likes this: 3rd_and_20
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 261
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 261
Originally Posted by Rishuz
What if he doesn't?

Then you have to ask yourself why did the Browns make the trade? They already had a QB that took them to the playoffs but wanted an upgrade to be Super Bowl bound. Is 230M guaranteed worth it to only get to the same level as before, the playoffs? Will it be worth the giant mess if the Browns make the playoffs 3 of the next 5 seasons but no Super Bowl? To each there own but I'd consider it a failure.


Just "KICKING THAT CAN DOWN the ROAD"
2 members like this: Southwestdawg, Tackman
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,472
Likes: 795
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,472
Likes: 795
Originally Posted by The Beast
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
So, after Robinson gave the 6 game suspension, it was over. Until it wasn't. Now, it's an 11 game suspension, a fine, and counseling. So, NOW it's over, right?

Oh, snap, nope, not over yet folks.

At least we got our qb of the future.
He better win the Super Bowl - that's for damn sure. What a mess. SMH

I wouldn't say that.

I will say I would expect to see us in the playoffs assuming things stay the same, and in the playoffs I mean deep. Not so much being a wildcard entry every year.

After that it is unrealistic to demand wins. You do watch football and understand how things can go...right?


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Likes: 906
V
Legend
Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Likes: 906
Originally Posted by Rishuz
What if he doesn't?


Certain posters will throw yet another temper tantrum.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,374
Likes: 437
A
Legend
Offline
Legend
A
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,374
Likes: 437
Can't throw a tantrum when the guy you claim is a top 5 qb won't even see the field.

Always next year. You got your guy, Baker doesn't play for the Browns (you despise him)

Sit back and enjoy the sit show. Jacoby, a career backup who's only started due to the starter being hurt? I expect a dismal season.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Likes: 906
V
Legend
Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Likes: 906
j/c:

Did anyone else watch actual video from the Watson, Haslam, and Berry parts of the PC?

I initially wondered--along w/a couple of other posters--why Watson wasn't coached on what to say. He actually did say those things about becoming a better player and person. There were a couple of reporters who kept after him about his apology and the regret angle. He finally looked completely confused and uttered those dumb-ass statements that people are going to use against him. There are reasons Bill Belichick does his Press Conferences the way he does.

Haslam came across as real jerk. Some of his facial expressions when Berry was talking were very off-putting.

Berry came across as honest, genuine, and intelligent. I will say his eyes looked like he was in complete disbelief when Haslam was talking. LMAO

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 12,602
Likes: 585
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 12,602
Likes: 585
Originally Posted by Homewood Dog
If he doesn't? Then it'll be our usual disappointment, frustration and hurt. WE should all be used to it now.

Oh no ... we can handle drafting busts and having a QB and Coaching carousel. This is much, much different. Well, to some/many. Being an incompetent football team is one thing. Being an incompetent football team and also selling your team's soul in a desperate attempt to win - sacrificing a team that's built to win now - and signing such a questionable character (being uber kind there) as the face of your franchise? That's next level stuff.


The more things change the more they stay the same.
2 members like this: PitDAWG, Floquinho
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,119
Likes: 204
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,119
Likes: 204
Originally Posted by Rishuz
What if he doesn't?

Then it wasn't worth dealing with this crap show


People who lack accountability think everything is an attack
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Likes: 906
V
Legend
Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Likes: 906
No one has to. It's a personal choice. You either root for the team or you don't. It is not a character flaw to not root for a team. If folks are so disgusted they have the freedom to walk away. [Not talking about you, Jester.] It's just odd that some want to make supporters of the Browns miserable on a Browns message board. Our own fans talk more smack in the used to be Pure Football forum than opposing fans talk about the Browns in the Smack Shack. We already have guys wanting everyone fired and whining about how we sold our souls. LMAO.......oh, the drama!

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,698
Likes: 390
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,698
Likes: 390
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
whining about how we sold our souls. LMAO.......oh, the drama!

Exactly.

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 895
Likes: 51
L
All Pro
Offline
All Pro
L
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 895
Likes: 51
Originally Posted by Rishuz
What if he doesn't?

Then we will hear a lot about the 3 first round picks...

1 member likes this: oobernoober
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 12,602
Likes: 585
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 12,602
Likes: 585
Originally Posted by Rishuz
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
whining about how we sold our souls. LMAO.......oh, the drama!

Exactly.

Funny - one guy says he has me on ignore but keeps referencing posts I make that aren't quoted by anyone else. And no - not whining, just highlighting the difference between normal Browns ineptness and what we are into now with the DW situation... and with a humorous tone. You'd expect someone with an "Advanced" English degree to pick up on those subtitles.


The more things change the more they stay the same.
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 15,979
Likes: 83
T
Legend
Offline
Legend
T
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 15,979
Likes: 83
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
No one has to. It's a personal choice. You either root for the team or you don't. It is not a character flaw to not root for a team. If folks are so disgusted they have the freedom to walk away.
Handing out permission slips are ya?
Hey everybody...


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,475
Likes: 161
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,475
Likes: 161
Glad we have a little closure.. 11 games makes sense... longest NFL could do while having him accrue a season.... wish it was shorter... but glad there's some closure...


<><

#gmstrong
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 895
Likes: 51
L
All Pro
Offline
All Pro
L
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 895
Likes: 51
Originally Posted by jaybird
Glad we have a little closure.. 11 games makes sense... longest NFL could do while having him accrue a season.... wish it was shorter... but glad there's some closure...

11 games and the largest fine to a player in NFL history. People may not like him but he isn't getting off easy.

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,698
Likes: 390
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,698
Likes: 390
We are nowhere close to normal Browns ineptness.

The possibility that we can stay afloat until week 12 is real. I don't think it will happen, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. You couldn't say that about most Browns teams since the return.

Then Watson comes back and knocks the rust off to finish the season then we have at least 4 more shots with him at QB.

While I am not thrilled with what I predict will be a wasted season, it's a better position to be in than Baker in his last year and no certainty at QB beyond this year.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,374
Likes: 437
A
Legend
Offline
Legend
A
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,374
Likes: 437
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
No one has to. It's a personal choice. You either root for the team or you don't. It is not a character flaw to not root for a team. If folks are so disgusted they have the freedom to walk away. [Not talking about you, Jester.] It's just odd that some want to make supporters of the Browns miserable on a Browns message board. Our own fans talk more smack in the used to be Pure Football forum than opposing fans talk about the Browns in the Smack Shack. We already have guys wanting everyone fired and whining about how we sold our souls. LMAO.......oh, the drama!

Honest question: Do you think it is possible for a Browns fan to not be a fan of a certain player?

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,475
Likes: 161
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 14,475
Likes: 161
Originally Posted by LexDawg
Originally Posted by jaybird
Glad we have a little closure.. 11 games makes sense... longest NFL could do while having him accrue a season.... wish it was shorter... but glad there's some closure...

11 games and the largest fine to a player in NFL history. People may not like him but he isn't getting off easy.

oh I agree... I was hoping for shorter but understand how they arrived at 11..


I'm curious how others think he should be managed once he's allowed to practice again... you want him practicing some with the number 1s... but since he's not playing in games yet you gotta let the backup get reps with the starters as well..

I'm just hoping we are in a decent position when he comes back...

Houston is going to be crazy that week...


<><

#gmstrong
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 15,979
Likes: 83
T
Legend
Offline
Legend
T
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 15,979
Likes: 83
Originally Posted by Rishuz
it's a better position to be in than Baker in his last year and no certainty at QB beyond this year.
Do you think there is certainty at QB now or beyond this year?
... (Man, I wonder if that was asked at the press conf. today, I couldn't tune in. Probably not, of course not, the local cupcake press treats the team with kid gloves, and because they Have to or they won't be given access. frown)


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,119
Likes: 204
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,119
Likes: 204
Originally Posted by jaybird
Glad we have a little closure.. 11 games makes sense... longest NFL could do while having him accrue a season.... wish it was shorter... but glad there's some closure...

Wish it was 1 game longer so he didn't accrue this as a season


People who lack accountability think everything is an attack
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,839
Likes: 48
H
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
H
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,839
Likes: 48
You might get your wish IF he doesn't comply with his treatment....has an alcoholic ever stated they were not alcoholics. Most of us are human. Go Browns!!!


"You've never lived till you've almost died, life has a flavor the protected will never know" A vet or cop
1 member likes this: FL_Dawg
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 12,602
Likes: 585
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 12,602
Likes: 585
Originally Posted by Rishuz
We are nowhere close to normal Browns ineptness.

The possibility that we can stay afloat until week 12 is real. I don't think it will happen, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. You couldn't say that about most Browns teams since the return.

Then Watson comes back and knocks the rust off to finish the season then we have at least 4 more shots with him at QB.

While I am not thrilled with what I predict will be a wasted season, it's a better position to be in than Baker in his last year and no certainty at QB beyond this year.

That's your perspective and I respect that. And Watson when he eventually plays another NFL game should still be elite. But your view is based on you not caring what Watson did. There are a lot of fans that feel the same as you. There's a lot of fans who care that the face of the franchise is the guy who had to settle 25 allegations of sexual assault and who was ruled against with damning/harsh/scolding words by Sue Robinson. And whether you call him a predator or whether you stick to Sue Robinson saying his conduct was predatory ... many are wrestling with that and whether it's the bigger issue than the ban. . . . . A very long way to go, let's see what the situation is come 2025 and whether you and others still think this was a great move come the fullness of time.

Last edited by mgh888; 08/18/22 10:12 PM.

The more things change the more they stay the same.
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 7,914
Likes: 324
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 7,914
Likes: 324
Originally Posted by steve0255
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie

This sure sounds like Buzbee is on the warpath and this isn't done yet by any stretch of the imagination.

Sounds more like he's trying to drum up more business.


[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns.
Fiercely Independent.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 32,550
Likes: 668
O
Legend
Offline
Legend
O
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 32,550
Likes: 668
Originally Posted by Milk Man
So it's still not over. Lovely.


This could end up being a Josh Gordon situation again. I mean, what are they going to do, follow him 24/7? And he is young, so nobody expects him to be celibate, but if he has to report his sexual encounters to a behavioral specialist, WHO KNOWS what words or attitudes will trigger more time. I don't see him doing well if he is living under a microscope. I mean just a few hours passed before he came out saying he did no wrong again. A shrink isn't going to hear that. At least not IMHO.

I wanted him to pay a price and atone, but damn, this could be bad. I trust shrinks about as much as an opposing attorney.

Last edited by OldColdDawg; 08/18/22 10:56 PM.

Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,059
Likes: 125
S
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
S
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,059
Likes: 125
jc

If the NFL wanted to punish the Browns, they would have made the suspension 12 games so we would be stuck with him for another year.

Will be interesting to see how counseling goes for Watson when he won't acknowledge he did anything wrong.

What are the odds Brissett does well, Watson returns and is worse and we have a QB controversary again? Just feels like such a Browns thing to happen.


It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 32,550
Likes: 668
O
Legend
Offline
Legend
O
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 32,550
Likes: 668
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
No one has to. It's a personal choice. You either root for the team or you don't. It is not a character flaw to not root for a team. If folks are so disgusted they have the freedom to walk away. [Not talking about you, Jester.] It's just odd that some want to make supporters of the Browns miserable on a Browns message board. Our own fans talk more smack in the used to be Pure Football forum than opposing fans talk about the Browns in the Smack Shack. We already have guys wanting everyone fired and whining about how we sold our souls. LMAO.......oh, the drama!

Hey Vers, if you don't like it leave, again. I mean that's what you are telling others in an indirect way. You hear that crap a lot these days. You see, I've been a Browns fan for as long as I can remember, so why should I leave because of DW? I can root for the team and not like him just fine. You just think he's great, you really wanted him, and now it's not what you thought it would be. The refs already told you their decision on leaving the convo in PF, but here you are for the umpteenth time asking for it to be moved because you dislike what others have to say. How about you do you, and the rest of us will do us. How about that? And I'm getting kind of tired of the sideways comments again. Me, Pit, and whoever else doesn't like DW on the team all have the right to feel that way, regardless of your feelings. Stop running your mouth on us every time somebody posts something negative. All you are doing is triggering more negative posts, can't you see that? I'll be damned if I tiptoe around your feelings because it is what it is. The Browns knew what they were doing, and they knew many fans would not be happy. If you have issues with that, go write a mean letter to Jimmy, or better yet DW, he's the real source of the drama.

I'm ready to give him a chance to redeem himself, but I'm not forgetting who he is or what he's done, period. Over time this hoopla will die down unless DW screws up again. Maybe you should take a breath and remember we are all Browns fans here, even us whinners or whatever you called us.


Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,698
Likes: 390
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,698
Likes: 390
jc -

I just watched the presser with the Haslams and Berry.

1. Yowsers. Talk about uncomfortable. I was uncomfortable watching it.

2. You can tell which reporters are Baker fans ...Trotter, Reiter, Schudel. You can feel it oozing out of their pores.

3. You can tell who is the lowest of the low at their profession ... Grossi, MKC, and Ridenour. They don't care who the quarterback is or whether the Browns are good or bad, they just want drama. I actually think they prefer the Browns are bad. I believe Grossi has one of the lowest IQs I've ever witnessed.

4. You can tell which reporters are respected in their profession...Donovan. I can just imagine what he thinks of the others.

5. Jimmy was the most uncomfortable I've ever seen. Dee was also the most uncomfortable I've ever seen.

6. Berry was the only composed one. Now, if we can just get him to value receivers.

7. Deshaun did this group no favors by saying he was innocent in his presser before theirs. Half of the questions were because of this.

8. You have to tip your hat to Stefanski. He's been taking all the bullets for this crew because he's the only one that talks. With everything else he has on his plate, you have to recognize what a load he has been carrying.

1 member likes this: Floquinho
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Likes: 501
C
cfrs15 Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
C
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Likes: 501
What Watson should have said, “I put out a statement via the team and I’ll stand by that.”

What Watson did say, “LeRoy Jenkins!”

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 14,454
Likes: 1269
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 14,454
Likes: 1269
Originally Posted by cfrs15
What Watson should have said, “I put out a statement via the team and I’ll stand by that.”

What Watson did say, “LeRoy Jenkins!”


Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Likes: 501
C
cfrs15 Offline OP
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
C
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Likes: 501
I watched the original video because I was going to post it and then language happened.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,571
Likes: 507
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 70,571
Likes: 507
I agree w/all of this. It was an uncomfortable press conference. Even Jimmy and Dee, who can typically talk well enough to evade questions, had no ammo. Dee’s answer about just needing more therapy was pretty telling.

Of course, the hope is that this will all be over in short time and they can start winning fans back … but it was a bad PC for the team and Cleveland media


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 261
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 261
Deshaun Watson Doesn’t Get It, and Neither Do the Browns
Michael Rosenberg - Yesterday 4:07 PM

The team has forfeited its right to take moral stands down the road and shouldn’t count on its QB conducting himself with basic human decency.

Deshaun Watson still doesn’t get it, and the Browns don’t care if he does. He keeps acting like the wronged party, incapable of self-reflection, saying things he doesn’t mean and then admitting he doesn’t mean them, totally focused on advancing his own interests, and why shouldn’t he?

That’s what the Browns are paying him to do.

After the NFL and its players union settled Thursday on an 11-game suspension and $5 million fine, plus counseling, Watson walked back his phony half-apology before last week’s preseason game, saying “I’m going to continue to stand on my innocence” and that he apologized because “a lot of people that are triggered.” He said, “I have to do what’s best for Deshaun Watson at the end of the day,” like empathy is a character flaw. The Browns are suckers if they believe in him and frauds if they don’t. Which is worse?

Browns owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam acted like not commenting on Watson’s conduct is some kind of principled position. Jimmy Haslam applauded himself for respecting the NFL’s disciplinary process as though he had a choice. He also said, “We as an organization realize how sensitive it is, how emotional it is,” which was infuriatingly condescending, the organizational equivalent of “we understand you’re mad.”

Dee Haslam kept saying “counseling is a process,” and Browns general manager Andrew Berry said, “The journey for personal growth, it’s a process.” Yeah, sure, but why did these processes have to start with a record-breaking fully guaranteed $230 million contract? Why did Jimmy Haslam say last week that Watson is “remorseful” when Watson made it very clear Thursday that he isn’t? How did the Haslams and Berry manage to stand up there when they clearly have no backbone?

The Browns are trying to rationalize their way to a championship, and they think we’re too gullible to see it.

When they acquired Watson in March, they did not insist he express a shred of contrition. They let Watson define their stance on Watson, and they still do. Never mind that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell called Watson’s actions “predatory.” Never mind that, in suspending Watson for six games, league disciplinary officer Sue L. Robinson wrote that his “pattern of behavior was egregious,” “predatory,” showed “reckless disregard,” and that “Watson engaged in sexual assault (as defined by the NFL)” against four massage therapists.

Hell, never mind anything Watson says. It’s all out of convenience, anyway.

In March, after the trade, he said he had no interest in settling the lawsuits that had been filed against him: “My intent is to clear my name as much as possible, and that’s what I’m focused on.” He has since settled 23 of them.

In March, he said, “I don’t have any regrets. ... The hardest part is having everyone come at me from different directions and not being able to speak about it because of the ongoing investigations.” Then, after Robinson cited his “lack of expressed” remorse as a contributing factor in suspending him for six games, he told the league’s TV network, “Look, I want to say that I’m truly sorry to all of the women that I have impacted in this situation. The decisions that I made in my life that put me in this position, I would definitely like to have back.”

By Thursday, Watson was back to clearing his name again.

“People deserve second chances,” Jimmy Haslam said. “I struggle a little bit: Is he never supposed to play again?”

That’s a good question. But let’s say, for argument’s sake, that Watson is supposed to play again. Why do the Browns have to completely kowtow to him?

Berry said people shouldn’t be “defined by the mistakes that they made,” but Watson says he didn’t make any mistakes. Dee Haslam said, “We can talk about Deshaun or we can talk about the major issues the country faces” with sexual assault, as though it’s one or the other. Jimmy Haslam said the Browns want Watson to be the best player he can be and “more importantly, be the best person he can be.” I did not realize the Browns are paying Watson $230 million to be his guidance counselor.

We have seen many instances of a team acquiring a player with a criminal or immoral past, acknowledging that the player had misbehaved but arguing that he deserved a chance to resume his career. This was not one of those cases. The Browns begged Watson to be the face of their franchise.

They sent three first-round picks, a third rounder and two fourth rounders to Houston for Watson and a sixth rounder. Then they negotiated with him like he was a coveted free agent instead of a disgraced player under contract. The Browns signed Watson to a deal that included a 2022 salary of $1.035 million, which would conveniently save Watson from losing too much money when he was suspended. Berry gave the not-very-believable explanation that they structured the contract this way for salary-cap reasons.

The Browns could say the contract was a condition of Watson waiving his no-trade clause. This only affirms how wrong they were to do it. The one outcome they couldn’t stomach was him going to another team, and so they let him dictate all the terms.

Organizations need to treat stars like valuable, intelligent parts of the operation. The Browns are treating Watson like a monarch. They could have made a public apology as a condition of his signing, even if it was a vague one. Instead, when Watson used his introductory press conference to say he did nothing wrong and had no regrets, the Browns verbally supported that contention.

“We felt good about Deshaun as a person,” Berry said then. “We felt good about what we learned about the cases where we felt comfortable bringing him into the building. If we didn’t, we wouldn’t have made the trade.”

Five months have passed. The Browns look worse than ever. They are counting on Watson conducting himself with basic human decency when he returns, and also on him playing at an MVP level. But what if he doesn’t?

Have the Browns considered that their own city will turn on them if Watson is just pretty good and the team struggles? Have they thought about how Watson, who was beloved by fan bases in Houston and at Clemson, might handle getting booed at home? Or what they are doing to the rest of the organization, from employees who are appalled that Watson is the face of the franchise to the poor social media staffer stuck with writing “do we want people to read this or not?” headlines such as this?

The Browns have forfeited the right to take moral stands down the road. They have signaled to their roster that misconduct will be tolerated, maybe ignored completely. They are building their team around a player who says we shouldn’t judge his innocence “just because settlements and things like that happen.”

Jimmy Haslam says the team is comforted by Watson’s “track record prior to these events,” before quickly adding, “I’m not at all minimizing the ‘this.’” But, of course, the Browns are minimizing the allegations against Watson, because Watson insists upon it. The Haslam's might own the Browns, but Watson owns them now. They can only hope he treats them well. Given his … um, track record, I wouldn’t count on it.


Just "KICKING THAT CAN DOWN the ROAD"
1 member likes this: PitDAWG
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,472
Likes: 795
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,472
Likes: 795
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
j/c:

Did anyone else watch actual video from the Watson, Haslam, and Berry parts of the PC?

I initially wondered--along w/a couple of other posters--why Watson wasn't coached on what to say. He actually did say those things about becoming a better player and person. There were a couple of reporters who kept after him about his apology and the regret angle. He finally looked completely confused and uttered those dumb-ass statements that people are going to use against him. There are reasons Bill Belichick does his Press Conferences the way he does.

Haslam came across as real jerk. Some of his facial expressions when Berry was talking were very off-putting.

Berry came across as honest, genuine, and intelligent. I will say his eyes looked like he was in complete disbelief when Haslam was talking. LMAO

I agree. There looks to be a bit of a break in the relationship. I am beginning to wonder if the move to Watson was more Berry and Haslam going along but he had reservations?


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 261
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 261
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...mp;cvid=b4f7fa6d2dfb45b8a426e719d9f335eb

Wow, Mike Florio says Sam Darnold would be better than Brissett for the Browns. Wow


Just "KICKING THAT CAN DOWN the ROAD"
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,472
Likes: 795
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 38,472
Likes: 795
I agree. Wow. I mean if Florio says so


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
1 member likes this: jfanent
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 261
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 261


Just "KICKING THAT CAN DOWN the ROAD"
Page 9 of 10 1 2 7 8 9 10
DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum DeShaun Watson in perpetuum et unum diem

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5