DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum How do YOU really feel, as a fan?

You bring up alcoholics, but I'm guessing you've never used the line "well, the person hit by the drunk driver was out driving super late on a Friday... clearly they knew they were taking a risk"?

Give it up, man. The evidence is in, DW more than likely engaged in sex assault (as it was defined after the fact) per Robinson's report. I'll say it again, by reading Robinson's report, we know that DW crossed a line that shouldn't be crossed at least 4 times. That's on him, not the women on the receiving end.... at the VERY least he should be aware of his celebrity status and be more careful.

I'm not saying we shouldn't get annoyed at the NFL, but (the way I see it) there are 2 distinctly separate conversations at this point. What DW did and how we feel about it (which is what this thread is mostly about), and what we think about the discipline process.

I'm ashamed that my football team has a person of such questionable character at such an important position, and gave said said person the unprecedented contract that they did. I also understand that these guys don't get to this level of football solely by being choir boys, but reconciling the difference here is a struggle. I root for the team before any single player, but I also do pull a little extra for players I like... and from that perspective I did pull extra hard for Hunt when he came here and started his redemption tour. I think the big difference between Hunt and Watson, at this point, is that Hunt immediately knew he did something wrong and got started down that path. With Watson... well let's say it's going to be harder to take that first step

I am not getting on you, but a man should probably never question a woman when it comes to topics like sexual misconduct against women.

I am not going to argue w/your feelings on the subject. We all have the right to feel the way we do about the situation and I respect your opinion that you feel ashamed even if I don't feel the same way. However, I do want to address this sentence because I think people are missing an important distinction.




There was video evidence in Hunt's case. There is no tangible evidence in Watson's. However, that is not my main point. Watson can not admit any guilt or remorse for what he did to the women because it could lead to future cases in which he publicly admitted guilt. Even worse, there is no Double Jeopardy for cases that were never tried, thus the case could be brought to the GJ again if Watson doesn't maintain his innocence and admits to any sort of guilt.

I agree with you (on your last point) with the caveat that there is a big difference between not admitting guilt while still under the specter of legal action and doubling down on your innocence during a PC about your suspension for said allegations. He would've gotten dragged a bit for just saying that he's sticking with the canned statement from him and the team, but that would've been so much better than restarting the "I'm innocent and the truth will come out" shpiel. It was dumb.

But going further, my statement that you quoted and responded to was more pointed at the difference between Hunt's action (a single occurrence that happened when him (and the female?) were drunk/agitated) and the allegations against Watson (pointing to an established pattern of behavior). Watson has (allegedly) been doing this for a period and time and (also allegedly) has been enabled by his employers. He should've known it was wrong, but obviously didn't, and he received no help until now in identifying his bad behavior. I think that could be exacerbating his apparent reluctance in taking actual accountability.

I don't want to get into the innocence/guilt again. I use the legal system as my guide. Others rely on public opinion. Whatever.

I was just making a point about Watson being unable to admit that he was sorry for doing something illegal. I have made it clear that I think he needs to stick w/a canned statement and refuse to answer questions that are not about football.

On that I think everyone can agree. Dude just needs to shut his mouth and go away for a minute. Probably should take Jimmy with him. Jimmy was trying to sound worse just to make Watson sound better, it seems. Dude is a polished CEO, apparently... good grief.

You said you would accept Robinson's ruling until it didn't come out the way you expected it to. Now you're changing your story because you didn't like the outcome.

An update to my answer now that the suspension has been levied…

Bring on the season.
Go Browns.

I'd say it's more of an excuse for those defending Watson's behavior. I mean, they have to live with it somehow. And that's not an attack on people who want him here, it's an attack for trying to justify defending him when he is so obviously guilty of predatorial sexual misconduct. I have no issues with anyone who wanted him here purely for his talent, trying to somehow justify his actions is another issue entirely and there are only a few doing that here.

This whole debate has been centered around that. With Watson, the teams, and on the boards, so I disagree. I am not saying what Watson did was good/bad or something else. I am just staying focused on your point.

That said, I have known Jules for many years. I take her feelings on the matter seriously and she stated with heart felt sincerity.

I will also say I don't agree with the way hitt tried to make his point as it was overboard and lacked tact.

I don't understand what part of what I said you are disagreeing with???

but a man should probably never question a woman when it comes to topics like sexual misconduct against women.

I just don't feel we are capable of seeing sexual misconduct through a women's eyes. I might be wrong, but I am not going to speak for how a woman feels about such things.

When you try to see it their way or empathize with their feelings or experience, you get called out for being a man trying to mansplain their feelings or experience and asked how you could possibly know that. Happened on here to me just a week or so ago.

Today I feel mocked, they are mocking me. They are mocking Browns' fans that have a brain.
(does stabbed in the back count?)

So you're telling me, you are trying to tell me, We get to watch Baker and Higgins, but they'll be on the team the Browns open up against??

What?? Exactly What have the Browns given me to root for???

I'm more of a fan of Baker and Higgins than I am of the Browns ownership or analytics gurus and that's a certainty.

I'm not mad at the Browns because Deshaun Watson did whatever happened to things that happen all the time.
I'm not mad at Deshaun Watson.
I'm not mad at people who want to suspend Deshaun Watson for doing whatever thing happened.

I'm not Mad at Watson, nor the people who want to suspend him.

But I am Mad, about as mad as I've ever been at the Browns org. and the NFL.
I'm Mad as (ya know), that they not only Waived Baker, and Higgins, and their other top WR's from 2020,

But they are going to make the Browns open up AGAINST Baker and Higgins,
AND
they gave up 230 million dollars and 3 first round draft picks , Plus More

For Jacoby Brissett, or Whomever the (**) ELSE, who are all, in the bottom 45 @urterbacks in the League, and will always be

and then, AS LIARS would do, Demand you believe what is contractided, Directly in front of your eyes,
they want to PRETEND
that there is some

Shiny Object of hope of better play on the field in some future case.
WHICH WON'T HAPPEN.

That's right I said it. I'm saying Deshaun Watson will not be as good in a Browns uniform as Baker Mayfield would be,
and because of that,
I feel like the Browns and the NFL are mocking me, mocking Browns fans
AS IF we weren't intelligient enough to figure it out. AS IF we were a bunch of mindless..sightless, thoughtless ones that just take whatever we're told.
They are mocking me, AFTER they kicked me in the lower soloplexes as an old wrestling announcer would say.

That's how I feel today, tomorrow, Ehh, might be back to feeling like whatever I posted last time.

Well Throw, at least you turned a BS thread into a form of therapy for yourself. And I've realized that you post 100% of your REAL feelings 90% of the time.