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yep. we're already here.

I tried. i tried my hardest to buy into the guy, and i thought he proved himself. but i just cant anymore. his defense almost costed us the game last week, but then today was just such an epic collapse, i can't find any justification for us to keep him, other than the fact that we are on a short week.

from the defensive line being a joke in the middle, to the secondary - which is his SPECIALTY - being out of position, undisciplined, and just completely inept is enough to call for Wood's head. i've argued with some good posters about this in gameday chat and across the board, but you guys are right, and i was wrong.

fire joe woods.

We've had these game changing blown coverages too many times since Woods has been the DC. He's had plenty of time and personnel upgrades to deal with the problem...... and he hasn't. He's got to go.

Thursday? I'm putting money on Pit.

yea you asked me in post game how many blown coverages we have.

i didnt answer, because i stopped counting when i started getting depressed.

Honestly, yes we’re to that point. We have no reason to be that bad defensively

What I want to know is was it the calls, or the Blown coverage by the players again. Right now I have no clue.

They preach accountability. Someone has to be accountable for the last two weeks.

Is it Woods? Is it the players? Stef?

I really don't know. But you can't preach to the players accountability and not take any as a coaching staff.

I don't know what it looks like...I am not advocating firing anyone...but you're up 13 with 2:22 left...where the other team has burned all of their timeouts.

The expected outcome to lose that game has to be close to 0%. And yet, we did it.

There is one player I've seen putting his hands up in the air apparently questioning what players were doing after big plays the past two weeks.....John Johnson. Either he is right or its a defense mechanism, IMO.

Stefanski way too nice of a guy to can Woods.

He's busy in post game presser saying the team needs to play a complete game.

John Johnson and Delpit never seem to be on the same page.

Fire Berry fire stefanski
Then draft Williams safety
Ojabo defensive end
Then do not trade for Deshaun

Woods and Berry , both should go. You don’t give 100 million to a corner who hasn’t proved he can be relied on has had 1 tackle this season. Go into season with an 230m qb and one serviceable receiver And refuse to fix the middle of the defense. You have garbage in the front 7, weak ass DTs and slow linebackers. And a de who believes he is elite but really is just above average. Elite is watt/bosa/Donald. Clowney going down hurt because he is our best DE. But the soft coverages, no one communicating in secondary, poor tackling is all on woods and for a part stefanski and his weak ass camps. Nothing we’ve seen from this staff tells me to give it more time. Hell best players we brought in were from Dorsey

Agreed.

ESPN Analytics had the Browns win probability at 99.9%.

Delpit always seems to be in the middle of miscommunications FWIW

I understand we could never hire him for many reasons but a coach like Rex Ryan as a DC would get this D in the top 10and playing much better than it does. I really believe that.

LMAO. You have to laugh right?

I think I counted at least five more times today the secondary looking at each other after a big reception.

Ward could not have played more disinterested. I don't understand the lack of interest/aggression/competitive fire.

The Browns secondary coach should be held accountable as well.

It's a consistent problem over the course of several seasons under Woods' watch. That's on him.

Kevin Stefanski! No explanations is needed. The result speaks for itself.

Further.....In Stefanski's press conference, he made comment to young players playing like their young. I wonder if this was in reference to Delpit?

But how long does the “young” excuse still fit? Our secondary isn’t necessarily full of rookies

Ah. Third year in the same defense and Stefanski is going with Crennel's "kids are kids" excuse.

No defense of Delpit, but he didn't play his rookie year and he is 23. If Stefanski was referring to Delpit, that might have been the qualifiers.

I guess when it was being posted about Stefanski being a poor coach and taking all the grief for saying such a thing has come to fruition. After all, who's Woods boss and responsible for the game plan? I am pretty sure the Browns do not have a top 5 defense.

I blame Woods for not adjusting and trying to mix it up to get more pressure, but I wont blame him on the player miscommunication. That's on Delpit, Newsome (last week), and Ward (this week).

delpit is frustrating but what you're saying is true.

my issue is that what's Ward's excuse? he should know better. The floodgates opened on his watch. and the fact that our secondary is this confused from a DC who was an excellent secondary coach is appalling.

and the middle of our defense is a safe space for every offense. run, catch, doesn't matter.

If that is the case, then that's on the coaches for having him out there. Put in Ronnie Harrison.

bro miscommunication falls directly on the coach though.

I hope this gives LeCounte some snaps.

If we had scrubs running these positions, I'd agree with you, but we don't.

Swish, you know this thread is going to make one poster's head explode, right? Expect to be a target this week.

I question why we don't play to our players' strengths. John Johnson was one of the top safeties in the league with the Rams, he split time between SS and FS with them and graded out quite a bit higher at SS than FS yet we use him almost exclusively at FS. Ward's and Newsome's strengths coming out of college were that they were both really good man to man corners yet we play an awful lot of zone.

Ok here’s a question, say we fire woods, who takes over or who do we bring in?

Biggest reason woods needs to go, trying to fit square pegs into round holes. It’s why the good teams have player turnover and still seem to be able to plug players in and not miss a beat. They coach them up and make their scheme easy to understand. Woods by all accounts runs an overly complex scheme which would attribute to the confusion. So instead of simplifying calls and coverages he just keeps forcing that square peg. He needs to go

Would LOVE Rex Ryan in here! Give me him right now. He's the type of personality we need Stat. He can have fun but rip your damn head off. Similar to Gregg Williams, one of the best defensive coordinators we ever had.

No one, because we aren’t firing Woods.

YES we are! We must come together and will it to happen.

I’m not riding that crazy train. Leave the station without me