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Amen, we keep following the analytics, 6 better than 3, and NOW we've lost two games by 3 pts. Wonder if he'll learn.


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I don’t understand this: we have the ball on the 1 yard line. First and goal. Brissett is the master Qb sneaker … why not?? hell, do it 4 times!


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Defensive Line is overmatched, undersized and does NOT hustle in pursuit very well at all. Very sad that in our two losses could easily be wins with better coaching and situational awareness. We gave up another huge chunk play while in zone AGAIN in the 4th. Joe Woods scheme is not only ineffective, his game day play calling is suspect at best. I understand that we were - Myles and Clowny, but we were in nickel way to much against a QB that is NOT a good passer. WTF, at least dial up a few blitzes make him process things faster which is a big weakness for Mariota and when he throws a lot of picks. A real crap outing for a team that had 10 days to prepare.

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The only thing somewhat to still be hopeful about ...

There are no really good teams in the NFL. Everyone is beatable.

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I don’t understand this: we have the ball on the 1 yard line. First and goal. Brissett is the master Qb sneaker … why not?? hell, do it 4 times!


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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This game highlights the tenuous grip kS has on this team.

If I were haslam, this is what would be in the works for tomorrow morning:

Woods will be met at the door. Escorted to his office and allowed to pack a box. Then walked to his car and watched until he was off the premises. This a$$hole has squandered an all-star roster and fielded a dis-organized mess after 3 years of “leading.”

I would then meet KS in his office. He would be asked why in the hell he has fallen on the hand grenade for this coach as he took this all-star roster and made them the laughingstock of the league. I would demand an adequate answer. And it better be good.

I would then demand that the play calling be handed to Alex. Non-negotiable. If this is a problem, then we’ll wish you luck in your next endeavors.

The goodwill that KS earned in his “coach of the year” season is officially gone. He is, and should be, on the hot seat. There should NOT be any discussion of injuries and challenges they have faced this year. That is BS and a cop out. We have a roster most teams would kill for.

They have managed to build a championship roster. Berry did that and he should be safe - for now. I hate the Watson trade and if it doesn’t directly lead to a Super Bowl, I’ll question this front office. Even still, Watson is a dirt-bag and it will absolutely taint any success we have for me. I digress. Obviously, there are holes. Every team has them. And We do. But this team has the talent to win and it doesn’t. This is the coaching staff. Woods has had this team for 3 YEARS! And they look LOST! This defense is indefensible.

You want to let this crap go down on your team, haslam? Fine. But we deserve better. And if this Head Coach won’t course correct, then you have to. How many $hit sandwiches are we supposed to be forced to eat? How long before this torchured fan-base finally has enough? How many rebuilds, coaching changes, roster rebuilds and embarrassments do we have to endure?

I wish we as fans could quit this team for a while - truly hit this ownership in the wallet for once. But it won’t happen. They know we are too committed to this team. They know it’s a culture. And that’s why they know they will never be held accountable.

I know this is was week 4, but I am as disheartened as I’ve been in years.

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What about Priefer ?




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Another unnecessary loss mostly because of bad decision making from our coaches.

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j/c

Who DIDN't see this coming. Sure, our D was down a few starters. Sure, our O is starting a backup qb. A qb who has the ability to look good at times. And bad at times.

Not taking the field goal on the first drive - great drive. I get the mentality of "we're going for a W", but how many times has this bitten us? Too many. Points on the goard is the goal.

D, again, missing some starters, but doesn't every team deal with that? The flat out inability to stop the run? Letting the falcons do to us what we were supposed to do to them?

Questionable play calling, d being totally out of position too often?

I'm not a 'blame' person. It happened.

When the one announcer was talking about the 2 falcons coaches that "grew up watching the Buckeyes on Sat, and the Browns on Sunday", and "if the Browns won it would be a good week, and if they lost, it would be a bad week?"

Wife happened to be in the garage when that was said. All I said was "then they lived in the world I live in."

Ticked off. No more excuses. No more "wait til we're at full strength" bull.

Lost a 100% totally, completely winnable game today.

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I understand you are the messenger,so do not be offended,but,
Ward needs to STFU.He flat out stinks.He did get an interception,good,but the non call on his obvious PI saved his but on the 1st drive.Not to worry,he made up for it when he failed to set the edge on atlanta's 1st TD.Horrible run support.
He got his money,no need to get hurt.


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Meh, we are what we are. JB played more like a backup today. KS's play calling is still suspect. Woods is an awful DC. We had several guys out. We just are what we are.


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Meh, we are what we are. JB played more like a backup today. KS's play calling is still suspect. Woods is an awful DC. We had several guys out. We just are what we are.


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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Meh, we are what we are. JB played more like a backup today. KS's play calling is still suspect. Woods is an awful DC. We had several guys out. We just are what we are.

This.

The Browns are an average football team with an average coaching staff.

It is what it is.

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How about Nick Siriani? After his initial presser I thought there was no way he would be successful. But he's gone out and beat the teams he was supposed to beat with a QB that everyone said wouldn't be any good. I wonder what he would have done with the Browns against the Jets and Falcons.

Heck Stefanski is a 58 yd fg away from being 1-3 against the easiest schedule in the NFL.

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I'm not going to rant and rave as I have done in the past. We could easily be 4-0 and the talk of the league. We're not. Today was another disappointing loss in a long list of them. Not as Bad as the Jets loss but not good. We were down too many good starter's for this game and still nearly won. I can't understand why this team fails so badly in the 4th Qtr. game after game when our coaches know what the problem is. I mean they have to know right it happens all the time and they don't fix it? DW"s return is not going to fix this. It has to be done now. 2 losses by 4 points; the difference between being on top of the league undefeated and what we are. It makes me sick and be prepared my fellow Browns fans because now it's going to get harder.

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Its simple, this FO and Coaching staff aren't going to be the ones to get us where we want to go. Same issues since game 1, bad coaching on defense, bad situational playcalling on offense, and lack of talent in the front 7 and receiver. Berry gets too much love IMO, this is just as much his issue as anyones. You can't go into the year with tommy freaking Togai as your starting DT.. Our DT's and LBs are some of the worst if not the worst in the league.. This was evidenced today by watching a team realize that if we attack them with the run game its over.. Don't think the other 31 teams don't see the same thing. We are toast. Berry has done nothing to address this, despite guys like Suh and Blake Martinez sitting there and could immediately help. Then on the offensive side you have cooper and then a bunch of guys that might be good enough for ST for most teams, so what is going to happen when they just double him and make other guys beat him. Berry sticks with losers too long and doesn't admit his mistakes. Majority of the talent on this team was brought in by Dorsey. Berry has done his best to break it down to almost unwatchable. Tons of great young coaches in the NFL, we need to stop settling for average, and Stefanski is barely that and Woods can't even see that from the rung hes on. Biggest thing outside of playcalling is these players aren't getting coached to be better, either that or we are drafting low ceiling guys. Not going for the FG in the 1st drive and then having a 1st and goal at the 1 with the best two backs in the NFL and come away with only 3 shows how bad stefanski really is.. He has no feel.


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I won’t join in the coaching hatred - maybe a little - but I would have kicked the FG early, and I’d never ever try NJoku on an end-around. That looked awful.
KS tries to get cute sometimes, perhaps he grew up playing too much Madden.


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I think we need to keep Berry and Stefanski, but Stefanski needs to recognize or be forced to recognize he needs to make changes on his staff.

But Stefanski is responsible for the entire operation. He's 2-2, and nearly 1-3, against the easiest schedule in the NFL. That's not a good look.

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It would be the most Browns things ever to clean house after the season when a career backup QB was the starter for 11 games of the season. However, it's absolutely fair to criticize Stefanski and the coaching staff when it is deserved. Coaching cost the team today. That should not happen.

My biggest concern is, assuming the losses mount with the upcoming schedule, is Haslam gets trigger happy and fires everyone without a plan.

I do believe/hope everyone in the organization had/has realistic expectations and that the season was pretty much shot once Watson was suspended for 11 games. Stefanski got the win he needed to and that was against Carolina.

**Wildcard Scenario**

Haslam loses patience and works behind the scenes on his own offering Sean Payton the keys to the castle to takeover. Browns once again are the buzz of the NFL off-season.

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We’re still in first place. We aren’t firing anyone. I know that losing a sucks , but we had key defenders out this week.


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Stefanski has to stop doing the Belichek act and start evolving
As a coach. Great he won coach of year. That matters very
Little now going forward.

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Originally Posted by lampdogg
We’re still in first place. We aren’t firing anyone. I know that losing a sucks , but we had key defenders out this week.

The lack of 3 defensive players has nothing to do with bad coaching and horrible play calling the last series where it mattered the most.


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Originally Posted by lampdogg
.... but we had key defenders out this week.

Hot take...

The defense didn't lose the game today. The offense did. Left too many points on the field. Cannot do that in a game where you're down key personnel on defense. Take all the points you can. Should have put up 30 points today.

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Arthur Smith and his staff owned Stefanski today. They made Atlanta's D look like the 85 Bears at various points in the game. Brissett had no intermediate throws available to him today. Nothing easy. If Stefanski can't scheme anyone open, what value is he bringing to the table? That's supposed to offset all of his inadequacies as a head coach.

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Stefanski beat Stefanski today. Arthur Smith did his job and ran the ball because it was the obvious thing to do today.

Side note, Arthur Blank looks a Batman or Bond villain. I cannot decide which.

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Yeah, falcons owned us in the coaching dept. today. And I’m a fan of KS. But they were a step ahead of our offense all day.

Screen game shut down. Cooper negated. Goal line stuff sniffed out.


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Stefanski beat Stefanski today. Arthur Smith did his job and ran the ball because it was the obvious thing to do today.

Side note, Arthur Blank looks a Batman or Bond villain. I cannot decide which.

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Alright alright, you don't need to say it twice!

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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
This post game drivel is Stefanski's "they battled" excuse. I have to do better, I have to learn, blah blah blah. What the HELL are you doing Kevin? Because you sure as HELL aren't learning a damn thing. You are KILLING this team: With your play calling, your game management, your refusal to hold your coaches accountable, etc. You are a mediocre play caller at best and you have NO business being a head coach. Because you suck at it. I'm SO tired of these on the job trainees at head coach. Jimmy - FIND ME A HEAD COACH!


Hey Stefanski, how about some REAL accountability? Stop talking about it and SHOW us you are holding players AND coaches accountable for their actions on game day. That's what REAL leaders do. Get on it!
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I don’t understand this: we have the ball on the 1 yard line. First and goal. Brissett is the master Qb sneaker … why not?? hell, do it 4 times!
Because Stefanski continues to want to prove to all of us he is smarter than everyone else in the NFL and has to be creative. He sucks. I'm tired of his inept play calling. So tired.


Hey Stefanski, how about some REAL accountability? Stop talking about it and SHOW us you are holding players AND coaches accountable for their actions on game day. That's what REAL leaders do. Get on it!
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Originally Posted by hitt
Amen, we keep following the analytics, 6 better than 3, and NOW we've lost two games by 3 pts. Wonder if he'll learn.
I thinkwe've had enough of the analytics. But thanks Kevin. You suck.


Hey Stefanski, how about some REAL accountability? Stop talking about it and SHOW us you are holding players AND coaches accountable for their actions on game day. That's what REAL leaders do. Get on it!
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The city of ATL adores Arthur Blank. He is a great owner.


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2 pages and nobody yet has mentioned that Jacoby Brisset didn't seem to know where to go with the ball on drop back passes inside the opponents ten yard line.
on 4 out of 4 times, Maybe number 5, or number 4 was the low percentage overthrow in the corner.

( one read, neh, give up on the play/pass, then the whole play disintegrates and you scramble into improvisation. ) In the red zone; in scoring position.


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Originally Posted by EveDawg
The city of ATL adores Arthur Blank. He is a great owner.

What do the fine folks of ATL say, "Batman or Bond villain" look alike?

I say Batman villain if in pinstrip suit.

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We had two mind numbing calls outside of the red zone stuff … the end around to Njoku?? And the flea flicker screen on the goal line? Haha , just dumb


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
We had two mind numbing calls outside of the red zone stuff … the end around to Njoku?? And the flea flicker screen on the goal line? Haha , just dumb

The end around to Njoku was maddening. I know he's athletic and all, but he has a lumbering gait. I'm not sure what they were hoping to get out of that play.

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Yeah it was just so .. odd?

And if I had one question to KS: Brissett’s best ability is his Qb sneak. We had 1st and goal on the 1 two different drives. Why not just try it down there?


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Amen, we keep following the analytics, 6 better than 3, and NOW we've lost two games by 3 pts. Wonder if he'll learn.
I thinkwe've had enough of the analytics. But thanks Kevin. You suck.

If we truly are following analytics, wouldn't analytics tell the staff that JB is something like 8 for 8 this season on 3rd or 4th down and short, mostly by sneaks. IF we followed analytics, seems to me we wouldn't roll out on first and goal at the 1 or 2.

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Right now, as this team is and how we're playing I can't see us winning any of the next 7 games. I hope I'm wrong, but I think our season is going to get very ugly.

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