DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2022 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 20 Falcons 23 post game

I think we’ll squeeze out a win or two, but as soon as Watson was suspended beyond 4 games (imagine if his suspension woulda been over right now) our season was basically over. The NFL made sure we wouldn’t be relevant down the stretch this year. That was our own doing when we signed Watson.

But I still think we SHOULD have won the two games we lost this year so far, which is a bad feeling.

Stefanski has got to give up play calling. He is killing us with unnecessary, failed razzle dazzle. Joe Woods has been terrible, but last year, the defense came together down the stretch. Maybe that will happen again. If not, get Sean Payton for next year.

Stefanski is a good diplomat and a decent organizer but as a play caller and football coach he's not even close to being elite.

Our disciplinary record is still mediocre.
When it matters the most we're still doing unnecessary and stupid mistakes.
His play calling is too often inconsistent and flat out confusing.

He's brave with his decisions when the sensible option is to be conservative and the opposite. It's difficult to find any logic.

Parting with Baker was long term the right thing to do but the way he handled it was clumsy. Against the Steelers (2021) he allowed Baker to get sacked 8-9 times, that's unforgivable if he label himself as a player friendly coach.

I don't think he will last long if this continues. .

J/c

Stefanski is good at getting guys open and having shifts/multiple formations/sets/etc

Stefanski is NOT good at calling plays AT TIMES … in other words, it seems like he gets too cute or gets away from our identity

J/c

Stefanski is good at getting guys open and having shifts/multiple formations/sets/etc

Stefanski is NOT good at calling plays AT TIMES … in other words, it seems like he gets too cute or gets away from our identity

Baker allowed Baker to get sacked 9 times against the Steelers.

Okay.......I couldn't read all the posts. I knew it would be bad, but the blame game of fans on message boards and talk radio are so freaking bad. Here are my thoughts that probably no one wants to read. LOL

--This was a really devastating loss regarding our playoff hopes. It's a game you should win if you want to be in contention, especially given the upcoming schedule.

--I don't think Stefanski was terrible. I agreed w/passing on the FG. It's like people love analytics in theory and then hate them in practice. I thought Stefanski made one bad decision that stood out. We were down by the goal line and we ran Chubb. He was stopped and fumbled. Forward progress was the call and we kept the ball. Should have run JB on the sneak there. He's great at it.

--JB played very well in the first half. Not very good in the second half. The interception to end the game was a really bad decision. We had two plays to get the first down. Can't force it there. One thing I noticed is that he does not throw as well when moving to his left. It does seem a little weird seeing all the negative comments after years of seeing nothing but excuses for the QB play. I have one more negative on JB. We had a play very early in the second half where he threw a long out route to DPJ. The pass was fine, but it came a beat to late. Gotta pull the trigger earlier.

--The OL did not have one of their better days. They were not opening as many holes as usual in the running game. We got stuffed too many times on early downs which forced us to pass more than we wanted to. They also gave up more pressures than usual. They did have some very good moments. They sure did not lose the game. Thank God we don't have to listen to that excuse any longer.

--DPJ made some nice catches. But, we don't have a ton of talent at WR if teams take Cooper away. Njoku's fumble was costly.

--Chubb and Hunt were their usual great selves.

--Our 4 starters out on D was significant.

--The DL played well against the run at times and got gashed at times. Weird.

--Our LBers are not good. JOK is a good athlete, but guys break tackles on him. None of our LBers are good against the pass. Their depth of their drops are too shallow.

--The secondary wasn't too bad. Yes, we had another blown coverage, but ALL teams do.

--The place kicker and punter were good. Ford made a really dumb decision take one out of the end zone. He does that too much. They benched him after that. Glad DPJ was back there instead of Felton.

--Final Thought: We could have very well won this game. We didn't. I gotta give ATL some credit. They beat us at times at our own game. They won in the trenches more than we did. That surprised me and it was the key to the game.

Yes. If it were 4th and 1, that's one thing. But 4th and 3 from the 4? On the road, take the points.

The D really needs to look at themselves in the mirror. Another (really) blown coverage. But what is worse is how Atlanta was able to run at will during that stretch in the 2nd half. We're the team who is supposed to be able to impose our will in the 2nd half. They rammed it down our throats, and kicked us in the nads. We knew it was coming and couldn't stop it.

On the plus side, Pitts was not much of a factor. Good TEs have killed us many a time.

I take little solace in the fact that PIT and BAL also lost.

I also am on the going for it on the first drive. I agreed with all the others, but to me you need to score points, and scoring first in a game is important.

Had we been down at the time, I might agree with going for it, but being a 0-0 game, take the 3, which as it works out was 3 we needed.

I haven't looked, but I would be shocked if analytics doesn't show that the team who scores first wins the most games. I get going for it from a percentage standpoint and have long said teams should go for it more often, but I also feel that scoring first is a big boost. When you have a chance to score 1st in a game, take the points. That should be a black letter law in the head coach's handbook.

j/c:

LOL. Baker is playing worse in Carolina than he did as an injured QB in Cleveland. And you and others still want to twist the knife - and I saw the other day you wrote how you didn't want to stop commenting on Baker because you think getting a reaction to your posts is so funny.... In all honesty that says a lot about you and no-one else. As for the Steelers game and his 9 sacks - Baker did let himself get sacked 9 times. And it probably had nothing to do with TJ Watt being schemed 1 on 1 with our 3rd string rookie RT.

Regards the CLE ATL game - I tend to agree this game and loss is less about Joe Woods and more about the multiple challenges we're facing with a back up QB who came back to his level a little, multiple players missing on D, some questionable decisions during the game. One general comment - I've seen multiple posts lamenting going for it on 4th and 3 instead of taking points... And I know more than one poster will respond that going for it on 4th and short is the right call based on analytics / stats. [1] 4th and 1 and being able to get a first with a QB sneak is one thing. 4th and 3 is a different situation. [2] the Analytics only works when your team at least gets a first down at the same rate as the NFL average - if you are failing more than the average, maybe you need to re-asses and I think all of us have seen more times when we missed points when going for it than when we got a TD out of going for it on 4th and short within FG range. And maybe that's not the case, maybe we remember the misses more than the successes? But the principle holds that *IF* we are not successful at the NFL average rate, then all the analytics means squat.

For the last 20+ years it seems we've played up to good competition and often under achieved to 'weak' opposition ... hoping we find a way to bounce back with a W next week when the opposition is definitely much better than ATL.

I'm good with whatever you think.

They certainly beat us at our own game. Their second half

Groan.

Damn. That pill's tough to swallow.

j/c

Regarding going for it on fourth down as compared to analytics. Analytics is a funny animal and how you use it depends on how you apply it. You can, as it appears the Browns do, use the statistics for going for it in fourth down instead of kicking the FG according to the overall success rate in the NFL. And that's fine if that's the way you choose to approach it. Or you could apply it depending on your teams success rate. On how going for it on fourth and short has worked for your team. If that were the case Stefanski would have taken the FG in the first quarter.

Taking accountability even though I don't think the failure of execution was his fault.

When I saw that play live I knew it was a TD .. that sucks

I’m not specifically debating against you Vers but in general from my perspective Stefanski’s accountability is more words then actions.

He talk the talk but so far nothing has changed. We saw these problems both in 2020 and 2021. There’s a pattern in his bad decision making and that is that nothing happen. It’s not only about what he do but maybe more about what he don’t do.

Play calling isn’t always about taking the right decisions and has the best set up or scheme. It’s also about trust and loyalty. Trusting the process, trusting command and being loyal to your boss decision. I don’t always see that. Recently Denzel and Myles gives strange comments that doesn’t sound like a team in harmony. Before them it was OBJ, Jarvis and Baker. Star players voicing concerns in a subtle way?

I’m not totally dismiss Kevin’s contributions to our results but I can’t say I’m directly impressed. With so much talents to his disposal anything less then some sort of success would be a huge disappointment. Both KS and AB needs to deliver before it’s to late. Our owners isn’t exactly famous for their patience.

I don't think Ski is the problem. JB has done a great job, but he isn't dynamic and can't make all the throws. I expect things to change once DW can play.

the problem is that it doesn't matter who the QB is or how many points the O scores. the dysfunction of the defense seems to scale with the offensive output.

so DW could throw 5 TDs, and the defense is gonna go out of its way to allow the opposing offense to score 5 + a FG

^This.^

And we've been watching it in earnest since Woods took the reins. "Eye test" says his gameday algorithm is broken. Even games we win -- no lead is ever safe. Only exception I can even think of is last years Bears game... and that was Fields running for his life, with no weapons, while Myles stacked up sack after sack.

Here's the bottom line -

Stefanski is an average coach with an average staff. Some of his staff are above average (Callahan) and some are below average (Woods)

I said two things needed to happen for the Browns to have a shot this year -

1. Defense had to be top 5.
2. Stefanski had to clearly be the better coach than the guy opposite of him.

Neither has happened. And the Browns are 2-2, and nearly 1-3, as a result...and against the easiest schedule in the league to date.

We have an average head coach who you have to hope will get better with Watson.

As for this season, it's pretty much toast.

Joe Woods is a problem and it's going to really show and be prevalent in these next 6-7 weeks. It's going to get ugly.

How in God's name do you guys think you know more than our coaches? Seriously. Most of you never even played, never mind coached. Ridiculous.

I know you should never lose up 13 with 1:30 to go and the opposition has no timeouts left.

You get an "average" label automatically after that.

If I say a McDonalds cheeseburger tastes bad, does it mean I'm saying I know more about cooking? No? Didn't think so...

KS and his "staff" are wasting the prime years of our best players (Chubb, Garrett, Bitonio, etc.) I hate to admit this but I kinda admire Tomlin's old school approach to coaching, lets his coordinators call the plays and overrules them when necessary (maybe? possibly?)
I kinda with that Tony Dungy would reconsider retirement and coach this team, I think his leadership skills would be perfect for us.

just accept that you too Stoopid to understand. You either dumb, absurd or ridiculous ! Certainly your posts should come with a warning to tell other posters not to pay attention to your opinion !

Anyone know why 888 is posting on the Post Game thread in a game he didn't even watch? I'm guessing it was an attack on another poster who actually watched the game and I think I know the target. I received a text message the other day telling me how the guy insults me multiple times a day. . What kind of person does that? I wish I could put a restraining order on him. It's creepy as can be.

Someone tell Vers he doesn't know what the f* he's talking about. I watched the game .... But then I guess don't say anything coz y'all let him talk chit all the time without ever addressing him.

As Pit has mentioned many times, Vers claims to have many posters on ignore but bad mouths those same posters constantly. All class.

You received a TEXT message from someone, telling you 888 insults you multiple times a day? Who "texted" you?

But, go on about Baker. Sorry man, you come across as a joke. If people don't agree with you, you attack. You and pit deserve each other - just take it to pm's, please. And yeah, you say you have me on ignore (since I don't agree with you at times?) I guarantee you read what I post.

I believe ignoring only works when you're logged in

If you read the board not logged in, well ya see what people are saying.


Football talk, I felt there was some good offensive blocking !


Not as in


Dawgtalkers blocking !

"Ignoring" also has a button to toggle and view the post. Evidence is right above where Vers magically knew what maga888 was talking about but acted like it was a "guess" based on texts he received over the weekend. Either that or he insulted a poster based on a post he didn't even see. Actually, I guess either is very possible.

Nah............he saw it. He read it. He can say he has someone on ignore, but all you have to do is click on it. Then you see it, you read it, and then you reply with "I have so and so on ignore, but I bet they said.................."

I won't even go into the mentality of someone like that.

You want a restraining order put on a guy who dislikes you on an internet forum? Good luck on 4chan. SMH, you can't make this crap up. It will be okay Vers. Nobody takes you that seriously anyway.

Hey, he "received" a text message the other day, from someone telling him someone attacks him everyday.

But, vers didn't deserve to be fired from his job, and he knows more football than any nfl coach. Well, he, and coach B.

Coach B... that one is low.

Seriously though, Vers can post all he wants and what he wants. When I want, I'll respond. When others want to respond, they'll respond. That's just how it is. And we all know it. I'll be expecting my restraining order...