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Dear Browns

Don't shoot yourself in the foot this week.

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Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have?
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Originally Posted by Floquinho
Stefanski...
His play calling is too often inconsistent and flat out confusing. .

it seems When the defense creates a turnover, the ensuing drive is...

well it's like the Browns get caught off guard, by their own winfall of anti-misfortune of their own defense gifting them a turnover, and
OH,
they weren't ready to go back to offense, and then, ... well just hand it off, and wait a minute, 3rd and long? ok punt.

Which has to deflate a defense over time, if it's that way over and over again.


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LOL


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by EveDawg
Holy Ancient Browser Batman!

My first thought as well. Netscape?


How does a league celebrating its 100th season only recognize the 53 most recent championships?

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j/c:

I can only imagine where this thread went to. Oh well....

Back to football for just a moment.

There has been a lot of talk about how our QB played on Sunday. There has also been a lot of talk about how Joe Woods didn't make any adjustments and how bad our secondary is. This isn't a tell-all, but please consider:

Marcus Mariota: 7 out of 19 for 139 yds. 0 TDs and 1 interception. He had 5 rushes for 3 yards w/0 TDs.

Jacoby Brissett: 21 out of 35 for 231 yds. 0 TDs and 1 interception. He had 5 rushes for 15 yards w/1 TD.

So, which qb was more effective?

Did Woods scheme anything to improve the play of the secondary and limit Mariotta's passing and running threat?

Okay, y'all can get back to belittling another poster.


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Which QB took a sack at the worst possible moment? Hint: The same guy you crowed about all off-season who wouldn't take "needless sacks".

Which QB threw a pick into double coverage with a wide open RB just 8 yards away? Hint: The same guy you crowed about all off-season who would take "better" care of the ball.

The "more effective" QB's team won Sunday. I don't think PFF has created a rating for that yet. rolleyes

We have a poorly coached team...one that is under-performing given the talent on the roster...again. Players come and go...the really good teams have head coaches that stick around for a very long time...we've still not yet found that guy.

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Originally Posted by archbolddawg
You received a TEXT message from someone, telling you 888 insults you multiple times a day? Who "texted" you?

But, go on about Baker. Sorry man, you come across as a joke. If people don't agree with you, you attack. You and pit deserve each other - just take it to pm's, please. And yeah, you say you have me on ignore (since I don't agree with you at times?) I guarantee you read what I post.

It's funny you mention me while doing the exact same thing. Irony at its finest.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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j/c...

Browns had been scoring TDs at a 67% rate inside the redzone prior to this past Sunday in which they had only a 33% success rate.

Inside the the 10 yard line against the Falcons the Browns had:

- 3 drives and 10 plays
- a total of -5 yards
- 10 total points
- 7 pass plays, 3 run plays

The Browns just did a bad job in this area on this particular day. Cannot have this with the upcoming schedule. The margin for error is thin with this team.



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Don't know if I have a lot to add that hasn't been mentioned, there were a lot of Browns fans in the stands.

I put much of the blame on Stefanski, I get being aggressive but 4th and goal from the 4? (Yea, I know, it was really 4th and 3 from the 4 but when you line up pass and send everybody into the endzone, you aren't playing for the first down)... our analytics on 4th down, in general, are very good. Our analytics going back several years, of 4th and goal from more than a yard or two, are horrible. Take the damn points.

There are a few things in the NFL that are almost impossible to stop.. blocking Aaron Donald, getting Justin Tucker to miss a 40 yard FG, or preventing Nick Chubb from getting a yard... so why we take him off the field on 4th and goal from inside the 1, then try to throw the ball is completely beyond me. This is not a case of "well if the play worked it would have been a good call"... Nick Chubb, up the middle or off tackle 3 times for a yard is a 99.9% chance of success.. throwing the ball, there are only about 9 things that can go wrong and one of them did and we ended up with a FG.

I like Stefanski, I do, but there is no way he would do what the Falcons did to us... they figured something out in the running game and, I think in their last few drives they only threw the ball once, they just ran it down our throats.. Stefanski would never do that, he would have to mix in the pass frequently because he has to outsmart people and he is very much about thinking he knows what others are thinking and trying to do something different.. he wants to play chess when sometimes the game is "Punch them in the mouth until they stop you" and he just refuses to play that game.

This was another winnable game, I thought JB played pretty well for most of the game, I was happy to see him go downfield a few times and open it up. I will say this, it happened with Baker and now it's happening with JB, near the end of close games, other teams get guys open, we always seem to be throwing into very tight coverage.. our late game drives always struggle, no matter who is the QB, we just never seem to have a rhythm in those 2 minute drill type drives... I'm not a smart enough Xs and Os guy to know why, I just know that other teams, even other teams without pro-bowl caliber QB play, seem to make them look a lot more fluid than we do. Ours look like such a freakin struggle all the time. JB has 2 ints in 4 games, both of them are on the final drive of the game where we needed one score to tie/win and he had to force the ball into coverage... you can't tell me that isn't partially a coaching problem.


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So Stefanski said that by going for it on 4th and goal from the 4 on the opening drive showed that we were willing to put it all on the line... on the opening drive? that seems a little extreme.

Yet, in the 4th quarter, with less than 4 minutes to go, the game is tied 20-20... they have marched the ball right down our throat on their last 2 possessions... we had the chance to try a 61-yard FG, which we all know that inside in ideal conditions is well within Cade Yorks range.. but we punted. We did not put it all on the line when it counted, we did it in the first 6 minutes of the game, but not in the final 4 minutes.... we punted, so we could run our overmatched and physically exhausted defense back out there and promptly gave up the game winning FG drive.

This is one of my challenges with Stefanski.. are we the lay it on the line, take the risks, play to win team? or are we the play it safe, play the odds, always trust the analytics team?


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That single decision failed, and we have success on sneaks. But in my opinion, when we get to the red zone, the plays get dumber. And Stefanski won't help himself. It seems to get worse the closer we get to the goal line. We let up on what got us there for fades, screens, and calls straight into packed boxes. Like Ski has not had it happen before. The plays we see him calling leave us often behind the sticks, especially in the red zone. And while I admit going all four demands respect, especially if you convert it, it is not a lifestyle you want to cultivate. Our conservative calls to start series have put us in third and long and punt or go way too often. Be a little different genius. Passing up points is bad. Try this: Take the points as you find them in the first half; fight for whatever points are dictated by score in the second. No lead is safe with this defense which gives up scores with games on the line, and it isn't slow about breaking. They can't get themselves off the field except by giving up scores.
I am willing to risk Van Pelt or hand him a half. And ST is worse.


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And Nick did that splitting carries.


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Chubb is amazing


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Bard: you know football., fourth and four, you kick the FG on the opening drive. Correct?


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The end -around to Njoku was flat-out stupid. How is that in the playbook?


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Originally Posted by lampdogg
Bard: you know football., fourth and four, you kick the FG on the opening drive. Correct?

You didn't ask me, but I had NO PROBLEM w/that decision.

There was only one really bad decision. We should have had JB sneak it after the play where Chubb fumbled, but they ruled his forward progress there. But bro, all coaches make decisions that be questioned. We did not lose that game due to playcalling. Not even close.


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Originally Posted by lampdogg
The end -around to Njoku was flat-out stupid. How is that in the playbook?
Lol that was so dumb honestly. Even at that moment I stood up and was like WTF


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Originally Posted by lampdogg
The end -around to Njoku was flat-out stupid. How is that in the playbook?
Lol that was so dumb honestly. Even at that moment I stood up and was like WTF

That is Ski's M.O. AND his primary issue. Out smart 'em...out think 'em. He's an OC...an OC that needs a HC to reign him in.

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Originally Posted by WSU Willie
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Originally Posted by lampdogg
The end -around to Njoku was flat-out stupid. How is that in the playbook?
Lol that was so dumb honestly. Even at that moment I stood up and was like WTF

That is Ski's M.O. AND his primary issue. Out smart 'em...out think 'em. He's an OC...an OC that needs a HC to reign him in.
That could be the case, but I highly doubt he’ll take a demotion lol. Personally, I think he’s 80% GOOD as a coach (which is WAY higher than other coaches we’ve had). But, like you said, he still has his warts.


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I completely disagree. Stefanski is an excellent HC. He gives us an edge almost every week of the season. He gets praised by guys study the. game for a living. Guys who break down tape. Yet, our fans think he sucks. rolleyes


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I completely disagree. Stefanski is an excellent HC. He gives us an edge almost every week of the season. He gets praised by guys study the. game for a living. Guys who break down tape. Yet, our fans think he sucks. rolleyes
I never said he sucked, maybe others have. He’s 80% good, which is really good. No coach is perfect. He’s an excellent game planner, organizer, play designer, etc. I don’t even think his aggressiveness is a bad thing. And his time management is tops in the league.

His problem is the actual play calling at times … AND, the fact that our defense is so soft IMO (whether that’s Woods scheme, personality, etc). Now, if we deem that as a PERSONNEL thing, then that’s on Berry and not KS.


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Sorry. I wasn't really replying to you specifically. I should have made that clear. My apologies.


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Sorry. I wasn't really replying to you specifically. I should have made that clear. My apologies.
No it’s all good. I think many of us are frustrated and some of us are pointing it at KS, which is unwarranted in most ways


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I completely disagree. Stefanski is an excellent HC. He gives us an edge almost every week of the season. He gets praised by guys study the. game for a living. Guys who break down tape. Yet, our fans think he sucks. rolleyes


Are these the same guys who believed that Hue Jackson was the most-respected offensive mind in the NFL? How often does a pundit crap on an existing HC? It's a fraternity.

The bottom line is all that matters in the end...and the same issues with the defense keep costing the team Ws. The DC isn't fixing it...and neither is the HC.

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