This article actually makes some good points. I agree that it might be time to bench a few of these guys. I know they are Berry draft picks or one of his FA acquisitions, but some of them are really playing poorly.
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4 Downs: What to take away from Browns loss vs. Patriots Share this article 56 shares share tweet email
Cory Kinnan October 17, 2022 12:53 pm ET
The good in this matchup between the Cleveland Browns and New England Patriots is minimal. The Browns laid an egg and got outclassed by Bill Belichick and his team. With back-to-back weeks against division rivals, the season hangs in the balance with how this team responds after dropping to 2-4 on the year.
For now, we move forward with another edition of 4 Downs as we look to identify what stood out the most from this beatdown at FirstEnergy Stadium. What can we take away from this loss to the Patriots? Is there any hope left in this season that is beginning to look like was punted on from the start?
1st Down: Stop the Myles Garrett discourse
There is a great deal of anger from the fanbase, and it is being misdirected at All-Pro pass rusher Myles Garrett. On a day when he set the franchise sack record at just 26 years old (and even added a second sack on what was a crucial time at the time), Garrett has become a punching bag.
And it is complete madness as he could not be doing much more than he already is. He is still playing through a mangled shoulder that was sprained in his car accident, and yet is leaving it all on the field for the Browns.
He gets pressure at the rate of a top pass rusher in the league (that he is) and racked up a massive eight pressures against the Patriots alone. He graded out as an elite player on the day according to PFF and was well in the green as a run defender as well.
What more could you want out of a guy getting double-teamed at a rate no other pass rusher is seeing along a defensive line that has no other capable talent next to him at defensive tackle?
2nd Down: Time to start benching players regardless of status
We are six weeks into the season and still seeing the poor play from players who were expected to be significant contributors. Some of these players were drafted with high draft assets, and others are on a big free agent tab, but it is time to start benching underperformers regardless of status.
The biggest offender in this category is former second round pick Grant Delpit. He has been abysmal in coverage, and while he has flashed in run support, has not been worthy of putting in the field in 2022. Unfortunately, Ronnie Harrison has not been better, but maybe it is time to give the undrafted free agent D’Anthony Bell some reps to see what he can do. It is hard for this to go further south.
Linebacker Jacob Phillips is likely out of the starting lineup the moment Deion Jones is activated from Injured Reserve, but we are to the point where Jordan Kunaszyk is worth the look at the second level over the former third rounder.
John Johnson III, a massive free agent add at the time, has been volatile as well. While he graded out well yesterday according to PFF, his effort level has been extremely poor from the third level of the Cleveland defense. As there is an out in his contract after this season if designated as a post-June 1 cut, we are trending towards a situation where Johnson III may not see a third season in the brown and orange.
Now is the time for complete accountability.
3rd Down: Cade York rebounds nicely in Cleveland
Earlier this week, special teams coordinator Mike Priefer reiterated his confidence in the Browns’ rookie kicker. After missing two kicks against the Los Angeles Chargers a week ago, Cade York rebounded nicely against the Patriots.
The Cleveland offense stunk and could not get into the redzone with as much frequency as they did the first five weeks. York was forced to kick some long field goals and still managed to put points on the board for the Browns. On the day, York went 3-for-3 on field goals with a long of 51 yards. He also knocked one through from 48 and 39 yards out.
Drafted in the fourth round of the 2022 NFL Draft, the leash on York is going to be long given the asset they gave up to get him. However, it is still nice to see him rebound from his first bout of adversity as a professional kicker. We hope he is the cure to the Cleveland kicking woes since the departure of Phil Dawson after the 2012 season.
4th Down: The Jacoby Brissett regression is real
This was to be expected. A career-long journeyman spot starter and backup quarterback has begun to play as such over the past two weeks. And yet it still hurts to watch it on TV.
Brissett is not a starting quarterback in this league and has not been asked to be one in recent years. The Browns knew this, we knew this, and yet we still get upset when he does not play like one. His play was unacceptable yesterday, but not completely out of the blue.
To be honest, we are going to see some more rough football out of Brissett. We are also going to see a few more efficient games out of Brissett as well. This is what the Browns signed up for this season when they brought him in to cover the gaps over their first 11 games.
While he played well over the first three games, the regression from Brissett is very real. But it is not completely unexpected.
Of course the D was over rated. It faced a bunch back-ups And aging vet QBs on the schedule last year (2021)which Distorted the defensive numbers Now in 2022, the defense is worse cause it can't beat guys Like Joe Flacco (aging) or Bailey Zappe (2nd career start) Or Marcus Mariotta (journeyman).and here's the kicker The worst QB In the league had his best game vs this defense (Baker Can't see the Field)
"We need more analysts... there's a glitch in the analytics and we'll never get to the bottom of it without more analyzin' goin' on!"
The deal is you never know what they were hired for. They might be looking a traffic patterns around the stadium before and after games, or various restroom usages. It may have nothing to do with players.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
It's kind of baffling that in this day and age some people still believe that analytics are not important. I'm not just talking about football. I'm talking in any organization.
What's baffling is people suggesting anyone said Analytics are not important. Something no-one said (unless it was Mac, but TBH I don't think he said that either) - what people have talked about is placing too much emphasis on analytics and SPARQ scores.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
TOTAL OFFENSIVE GRADES: ___________________________________0 players currently performing at Elite Level 90-100 ___________________________________3 players currently performing at Pro Bowl Level 89-85 Chubb - RB - 88.4 - 1st of 62 - Georgia - 2018 Bitonio - G - 85.7 - 1st of 75 - Nevada - 2014 Teller - G - 85.3 - 2nd of 75 - Virginia Tech - 2018 ___________________________________6 players performing at Starter Level 84-70 Njoku - TE - 81.6 - 3rd of 67 - Miami, FL - 2017 Cooper - WR - 75.1 - 24th of 110 - Alabama - 2016 Froholdt - G - 75.0 - NR - Arkansas - 2019 Pocic - C - 74.6 - 3rd of 37 - LSU - 2017 Brissett - QB - 74.2 - 10th of 36 - NC State - 2016 Conklin - OT - 71.7 - 21st of 76 - Michigan St - 2016 ___________________________________8 players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60 Hudson - OT - 68.8 - 34th of 76 - Cincinnati - 2021 Wills - OT - 66.8 - 43rd of 76 - Alabama - 2020 DPJ - WR - 66.6 - 53rd of 110 - Michigan - 2020 Woods II - WR - 64.4 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022 Hunt - RB - 63.6 - 38th of 62 - Toledo - 2017 Johnson - RB - 63.0 - NR - South Florida - 2019 Brown - TE - 62.6 - 29th of 67 - Oregon - 2017 Haeg - OT - 60.0 - NR - N Dakota St - 2016 ___________________________________8 players currently performing at Replaceable Level 59-0 Forristall - TE - 59.7 - NR - Alabama - 2021 York - K - 57.1 - 33rd of 39 - LSU - 2022 Felton - WR - 56.1 - NR - UCLA - 2021 Bell - WR - 51.3 - 108th of 110 - Purdue - 2022 Dunn - OT - 51.1 - NR - Maryland - 2017 Bryant - TE - 50.7 - 60th of 67 - Florida Atlantic - 2020 Schwartz - WR - 49.3 - NR - Auburn - 2021 James - TE - 42.2 - NR - Penn St - 2015
TOTAL DEFENSIVE GRADE ___________________________________1 player currently performing at Elite Level 90-100 Garrett - Edge - 93.1 - 1st of 115 - Texas A&M - 2017 ___________________________________1 player currently performing at Pro Bowl Level 89-85 Clowney - Edge - 88.8 - 9th of 115 - South Carolina - 2014 ___________________________________6 players currently performing at Starter Level 84-70 Walker - LB - 82.7 - 5th of 80 (Injured, out for season) - Northwestern - 2017 Fields -- LB - 79.9 - NR - West Virginia - 2021 Bojorquez - P - 77.5 - 5th of 32 - New Mexico - 2018 Emerson - CB - 74.9 - 14th of 108 - Mississippi St - 2022 Kunaszyk - LB - 74.6 - NR - California - 2019 Takitaki - LB - 71.1 - 18th of 80 - BYU - 2019 ___________________________________3 players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60 D. Bell - S - 64.4 - NR - West Florida Argonauts - 2022 Newsome - CB - 63.2 - 54th of 108 - Northwestern - 2021 JOK - LB - 60.7 - 45th of 80 - Notre Dame - 2021 ___________________________________15 players currently performing Replaceable Level 59-0 Johnson - S - 59.3 - 55th of 87 - Boston Coll - 2017 Delpit - S - 54.2 - 69th of 87 - LSU - 2020 Rochell - Edge - 52.7 - 100th of 115 - Notre Dame - 2017 Harrison - S - 51.5 - NR - Alabama - 2018 Thomas - Edge - 51.5 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022 Bryan - DT - 50.7 - 93rd of 121 - Florida - 2018 Williams - CB - 50.7 - NR - LSU - 2019 Winfrey - DT - 43.0 - 106th of 121 - Oklahoma - 2022 Wright - Edge - 43.0 - 113th of 115 - UAB - 2022 Winovich - Edge - 42.4 - NR - Michigan - 2019 Ward - CB - 39.8 - 102nd of 108 - Ohio St - 2018 Phillips - LB - 37.3 - 77th of 80 - LSU - 2020 Elliott - DT - 33.2 - 117th of 121 - Missouri - 2020 Togiai - DT - 29.9 - 120th of 121 - Ohio St - 2021 Green - CB - 29.0 - NR - Oklahoma St - 2020
NR = Not Ranked due to not having snap minimum
SCALE: 100 - 90 = Elite level of play 85-89 = Pro Bowl level of play 84-70 = Starter level of play 69-60 = Backup level of play 59-0 = Replaceable level of play
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"We need more analysts... there's a glitch in the analytics and we'll never get to the bottom of it without more analyzin' goin' on!"
The deal is you never know what they were hired for. They might be looking a traffic patterns around the stadium before and after games, or various restroom usages. It may have nothing to do with players.
It was obviously a joke. And if that other post was a jab at me... well, weak. I'm a huge proponent of analytics for all things. I just think our guys seem to get lost in the algorithms at times and become afraid to make a decision that doesn't fall in line with the math 100%.
That said, we have the largest dept in sports already. If we were concerned about traffic patterns, I'm sure at least ten of these people could spend a week on it in the offseason. Keep up the on-the-field antics and no one is worrying about traffic anyway.
My real first thought when reading the news was wondering if Berry approved the hires and considering saying "hey, please don't report these hires to the media". lol
I said it the week after the car accident, and I'll say it again here: We will not see pro-bowl Myles until next season. This is going to mess with him the same way covid did. He's never going to play better than 80% Myles for the rest of the season.
You could see that Myles was dealing w/a multitude of issues against NE. He showed a lot of heart playing through the fatigue and shoulder issue, but he was clearly compromised.
The only issue I have with Myles is that he almost always tries to beat his guy around the outside, hardly ever uses any inside moves and that leaves a big hole on that side for the opposing RB to run thru or for the opposing team to throw short passes to either a crossing WR, or to a TE, or screen passes to a RB. He's so busy trying to get to the QB that he forgets about the running game.
Wow, how low can Berry go? Crawford played in 1 game in 2020, zero games in 2021, and has been sitting at home since 2020. Actually, the guy has played 1 game in his career and that was in 2020 and the Browns give him a try out for an answer to our DT woes. I'd say it's getting pretty obvious that Berry has either no intent or maybe no idea how to fix the problems at DT. Hell man - Malik Jackson, Malik McDowell, and Sheldon Day are all just sitting at home and better than what the hell Berry is fielding now. Berry can't even use the McDowell arrest as an excuse after signing the sexual predator to a mega deal. Really, what the hell is Berry doing?
What's baffling is people suggesting anyone said Analytics are not important. Something no-one said (unless it was Mac, but TBH I don't think he said that either) - what people have talked about is placing too much emphasis on analytics and SPARQ scores.
And there is the actual truth. Analytics is a wonderful tool and I highly doubt almost anyone would disagree with that. However all by itself it's not the be all end all of everything. What numbers alone will not tell you is how a player will progress and learn to make his potential manifest on the football field. A player that plays to 90% of his potential with a lower SPARQ score is better than a player who may score higher but has thus far only reached 40% of his potential. Only game film will tell you how a players talents and potential are translating on the field of play.
We see it all the time. It's not always the fastest guy, the strongest guy or the smartest guy that makes a great player. It's often time the player with the best football instincts that simply has a nose for the game. And the film shows you that. I'm still amazed to this day how far Clay Matthews the 3rd fell in the draft because you know, his measurables just didn't seem to add up.
There s a delicate balance on which ingredients and how much of each ingredient you use to determine draft picks on. I think that in this regime it's quite possible that too much emphasis is focused on analytics and too little focus is being given to game film.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
It would appear the carryover from last year is getting worse. It's kinda ugly when a HC and player go after one another in a locker room setting. Sure sounds like some players are having an issue with the HC but hey. it could be just my imagination because I've been told my hatred makes me post these posts. 22-20 now under Stefanski's rein and never finished a year better than 3rd place in the division (just like Williams and Freddie). Might be why Garrett is lashing out but somethings not right in that locker room.
There’s been an undercurrent of drama in our locker room for the past year+ … maybe some is carry over from last year and maybe some is frustration with the Watson situation and the lack of success so far
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I can't tell you how excited surprised I am to know that Stefanski is capable of raising his voice.
As always - it's a balance. I agree with posters who have suggested that head coaches who are ALL about emotions and motivation have a short shelf life - maybe 2 years - before players tune out from hearing the same "rah rah" stuff each game. But to have no emotions, to keep everything calm and cerebral, to not be able to rally, cajole and occasionally hit the "fire em up" routine is just as bad. Both approaches are needed. My question hearing the "screaming" after the game - that's not motivational and pumping a team up to play - that sounds like angst and dysfunction and frustration.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
It would appear the carryover from last year is getting worse. It's kinda ugly when a HC and player go after one another in a locker room setting. Sure sounds like some players are having an issue with the HC but hey. it could be just my imagination because I've been told my hatred makes me post these posts. 22-20 now under Stefanski's rein and never finished a year better than 3rd place in the division (just like Williams and Freddie). Might be why Garrett is lashing out but somethings not right in that locker room.
It's funny people want Stefanski to be fired up in press conferences and then put blame on him for two people yell at one another after a loss. Further, Garrett is an amazing player (doesn't get enough love on here, I might add) but let's not pretend he doesn't carry his own immaturities as we've seen countless times since he has been here. Just because Garrett might be getting in an argument with his coach, doesn't mean it he is right and Stefanski is wrong.
I don't want to see KS get fired. I think we need a little tweaking maybe a new DC but not KS, We've lost 4 games by 9 points and we were still in the Pats game until those 2 costly TO's at the end. If is a big word but with DW playing and 2 good DT we could easily be 6-1 no worse than 5-2. We don't need to blow anything up. Just a few good moves. JMO
I can't tell you how excited I am to know that Stefanski is capable of raising his voice.
This. I want the team, especially the head coach and the team's best player, to care about winning. To date, neither of those two guys have and they are seeing their careers starting to flash before their eyes. Hopefully this is a huge wake up call.
Please prioritize winning. Not wearing capes to press conferences and not burying your face in the waffle house menu.
All focus and attention should be on winning games.
You know, you make some pretty good football points and then ruin them by going over the top with some speculative crap with no basis. You do realize people don't need to throw a tantrum to care about winning, right? You do understand that their careers hinge on winning and production right? To suggest that isn't their top priority seems more than a little foolish.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I’ve had coaches with all different personalities. I don’t care about KS’s demeanor, but I also think something needs to be done about our D and ST. You can be calm and collected but still demand changes.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I can't tell you how excited surprised I am to know that Stefanski is capable of raising his voice.
My question hearing the "screaming" after the game - that's not motivational and pumping a team up to play - that sounds like angst and dysfunction and frustration.
Not necessairly. No doubt some frustration but I wouldn't say dysfunction. At least it might not be. Calling out players or coaches might not be dysfunction.
It might become the spark this team needed. It just depends on how people carry it forward. It could become that if allowed.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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