DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns Better w/Brissett or Baker

Yeh, I've followed week to week. Not concerned at this point. We could right it off as another ruined Brown's QB on a long list of QB fails. But Baker played his part in it, too, so that's not fair; however much more likely it is than a guy suddenly not being able to play at a high level for no reason.

I thought you only want to talk football in this forum? Another lie.

Aside from the fact this post falls directly in line with the exact same issues he constantly bitches on this forum about - how special is it to have a person question Gordon's commitment to the game and his dependability after spending months laying out excuse after excuse for a guy like Watson who has to be the poster child for his questionable commitment to the game and his dependability after quitting on his team. You can't make this stuff up!

Yeah but......

baker...we messed up

Someone explain Stefanski's "offensive philosophy" to me. To my eyes, it appears to be "Ima try somethin'. Hold muh beer.".

Let's see if he can improve on his QBR and PFF rankings. He is 31st out of 31 ranked qbs in QBR and 37th out of 39th ranked qbs by PFF.

Meanwhile, Jacoby is 7th in QBR and 9th in PFF rankings.

Maybe for the first time ever everyone on this board will be hoping he does well regardless of the flag plant and his immaturity.

not likely.

yeah - what was I thinking !

Did anybody hear that Baker was headbutting his team mates
Without a helmet a couple weeks ago??
What a Flippin insecure attention getter.
Why does he have to constantly show his team Mates and
The media how much of a supposed "gamer" he is?
What's even more funny is how some on this board
Went on total meltdown after he traded....cough cough Eotab.

I missed that - and it's not smart. In fact it's positively dumb. But then so is your insistence on continuing to name drop Eotab in derogatory fashion. Dude is not well, fighting for his life and is very much loved and appreciated on this board.

Was your ex-stripper Baker??

No her name was Natina. She could cook and bake .
Really knew her way around a kitchen

Eotab is a good guy. We were mates back in the day
When their was online dial up and chat rooms.
We were on a 1st name basis.
But his endless crying about how the league had it out
For the Browns was a bit silly. It was difficult to discuss
Football with him cause to him every move the Browns
Made was great. Every draft pick was a hit. Every sportswriter
That was negative and honest about the Browns was a Bozo.
But yeah he is really good guy. Just don't talk Browns football
With him. Cause he knows more than you

Baker 6 wins last year at this time
Brissette 3 wins.

Performance wise, Brissett cannot post numbers better than an injured Mayfield contrary to what some would try to sell you on this forum. The stats don't lie.........

____QB______Comp_Att_Comp %__ yards_____TD_INT__ Rate____Sacks__Fumbles_W___L____T___PCT
Brissett_______185__290__63.8%___2074_____8___5___ 93.95___19_______ 5___ 3___ 6___ 0___ 0.333
Mayfield 2021__150__225__66.7%___1917_____8___3___104.76___24_______ 4___5____4___0___ 0.556 (injured in week 2)
Mayfield 2020__149__243__61.3%___1646____15___7___101.50___12_______ 1___ 6___3____0___0.667

On the one hand Baker is gone - so other than hoping he beats any team in the AFC North I don't see much value in continuing to talk about him. Personally I wish him well and because he is now in my local market I will keep half an eye on him, especially now Matt Rhule has been fired.

On the other hand I know it's not you that keeps trying to pile crap on BM - and it's others who have an agenda. So your posts are very welcome as they show a true comparison of what two different QB's have done on essentially the same team. It's fortunate for Vers that he has you on ignore - that way he avoids having to have a meaningful dialogue (as if that's what he actually wanted with this thread! LOL).

Baker is better than Brissett, but that isn't even the point. We didn't dump Baker for Brissett.
baker was never going to be here once Watson was added.

I don't think Baker is better than Brissett. Almost every meaningful measurable out there says that JB is better than BM. However, I respect your opinion and I do agree w/you that Watson is the key.

Baker would have been injured by week 4. So I’m good.

Brissett is not better than Baker, he's having a better year than Baker and that is more than evident simply by looking at how far above his history he's been playing, although he has been regressing to the mean lately.

Browns Baker vs Browns Brissett... Baker is definitely better and won more. BUT... throw all of that out and call it a wash if you want.
The biggest takeaway is that we sold all of our future assets to fix something that wasn't our biggest problem. The defense was last year, and is again this year, our biggest problem. Nothing has changed. If we had a defense in either year that could hold mediocre offenses under 30 pts - one off performances like Chicago last year or Cinci this year aside - we'd be winning with either one of the QBs.

We took the 80/20 Rule and sunk everything we had into the 20.

Exactly - not to mention now that this coming off season is filled with issues that need addressed. The cap rears its ugly face starting in 2023 so that will have to be addressed. The Browns best LB Walker, OT Conklin, true #2 WR, center, and 2 defensive tackles all must be addressed. The team will most likely lose Hunt, Greedy Williams, Clowney and Conklin due to cap issues so the team will take a definite step back at those positions. D'Ernest Johnson, Brissett, Pocic, Takitaki, Froholdt, Dunn, and Dobbs are all FA's certainly looking for a raise. The Browns have no 1st round draft pick and have serious questions the direction to go in the 2nd and 3rd rounds with so many needs.

According to PAUL KASABIAN of Bleacher Report

The Cleveland Browns' $37.9 million in cap space stands as the most in the NFL heading into the 2022 season.

That's twice as much as the figure for the next-closest team, the Las Vegas Raiders, who sport $16.1 million in cap space.

The Atlanta Falcons bring up the rear with $1.5 million in cap space.

The Browns may have the most cap space now, but they have work to do to get under the 2023 mark. Per Over the Cap, Cleveland is currently $26.4 million over the cap, including a $55 million figure for quarterback Deshaun Watson alone. The Raiders are in good shape in 2023 with $32.7 million in cap space.

Anyone, show me the one post from this board, like the one above, about cap space, in 25 years
that ever showed the Browns had anything other than the most cap space
because they've always had the most cap space.

Be it 20II, Brownz mozt cap zpace.
Be it 2003, or 2007 or 20I9, every year,
I never remember reading the Brownz ever had something other than the very mozt cap zpace, mozt in the NFL.

Tuck this one in your hiding place because they won't have the most going forward from here on out.

I didn't start the post but the stats through 10 weeks clearly shows that the above statement is totally wrong by anyone's standards. The original post had nothing to do with Watson, it was a direct comparison of Brissett and Mayfield. The only difference would be he tried to use this year's stats from different teams as a comparison rather than the stats from being a Browns QB. I believe the actual measurables tell a different story. Just the facts........

Results through 10 games:

__QB_________Comp____Att___Comp %____yards______ TD____INT____ Rate_____ Sacks____Fumbles___W___L___T____PCT
Brissett________213____331____64.4%_____2398______11_____5_____96.72______20________6______3____7___0___.300
Mayfield 2021___161____246____65.4%_____1990_______9_____4____102.26______26________5______5____5___0___.500__(injured in week 2)
Mayfield 2020___161____265____60.8%_____1850______15_____7____100.23______15________3______7____3___0___.700

What's the point of the "thru 10 weeks" comparison? After ten weeks, with the season on the line, Mayfield threw 8TD and 9INT. We're not comparing two QB's performance within the same season, seems like it would make more sense to look at Mayfield's entire season in 2021...

__QB_________Comp____Att___Comp %____yards______ TD____INT____ Rate_____ Sacks____Fumbles___W___L___T____PCT
Brissett________213____331____64.4%_____2398______11_____5_____96.72______20________6______3____7___0___.300
Mayfield 2021___253____418____60.5%_____3010______17____13_____83.10______43________6______6____8___0___.429

The biggest question at this point is what the hell difference does it make? The Browns are 3-7. If that's some sign that "The Browns are better with Brissett" that's a pretty sad commentary.

I guess folks don't want this thread to die. Fine w/me.

Baker was named the starter this Sunday because the legendary PJ Walker was injured. He was 21 of 33 for 196 yards. 0 TDs. 2 Interceptions. 4 Sacks.

For the year:

QBR:

Jacoby: 62.4, which is 6th best in the NFL. Baker: 17.8, which is last out of 31 ranked QBs.

TDs:

Jacoby w/11. Baker w/6. [Note: JB has played in 3.5 more games than Baker.]

Interceptions:

JB w/5. Baker w/6. [Note: JB has played in 3.5 more games than Baker.]

Sacks:

Jacoby w/20. Baker w/19. [Note: JB has played in 3.5 more games than Baker.]

Jacoby also leads Baker in Yards per game and Completion percentage. Pretty much leads Baker in all stats except for Headbutts Without a Helmet.

Tell us how much better the team is doing this year? If the problem were resolved why is the record worse than this time last year? Obviously the Browns "aren't better with Brissett". Because one must look at the way the thread topic was worded. The question posed actually doesn't ask which QB is better. It asks if the team is better. Here's a news flash for you. It isn't.

After 10 games last season we were 5-5. Please explain how 3-7 is better.

I read the PostGame thread and a poster was talking about Baker winning a Super Bowl before the Browns do. I guess it could happen, but it's probably more likely that Baker won't even be in the league in a year or two. He's the worst starting qb in the league by far. Last year and all off season, we read posters like steve and WSU continually blame Stefanski, the supporting cast, and Baker's injury for his poor play. Fact is that he is playing worse this year and his fan boys still can't admit it.

Yet after ten games this season we had a better record last season. But since your claim seems to be "The Browns are better with Brissett" the record obviously points in a different direction. Of course that doesn't really matter to you because you know, you have stats and stuff. Once again the context of the actual thread title seems to be escaping you.

And just think, it was only a few minutes ago you posted in another thread that you only wanted to talk football. Nobody actually believes your BS anymore.

Your ability to lie while making yourself out to be some kind of victim is comical.

The 4th rounder probably isn't in the cards. I have a feeling Darnold takes over at some point. Maybe next week. There is this:


Panthers interim HC Steve Wilks: Too early to name Week 12 starting QB
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November 20, 2022 4:45 pm ET

The quarterback carousel for the Carolina Panthers is up and running.

With PJ Walker down after sustaining a high-ankle sprain in last week’s win over the Atlanta Falcons, the team turned to Baker Mayfield under center on Sunday. And, uh, the results were less than optimal.


Mayfield, in his sixth start of the season, completed 21 of his 33 throws for 196 yards and a pair of interceptions in a 13-3 loss to the Baltimore Ravens. As was the case in his five prior nods, the former No. 1 overall pick had difficulty pushing the ball downfield—leading the offense to yet another listless performance.

Following the defeat, interim head coach Steve Wilks was asked if he thought of turning to Sam Darnold at any point in the game. He did not.

“No, not at this particular time,” Wilks said. “Because I felt like, at the flow of the game, it would’ve been a disadvantage to him in trying to throw him in that type of situation and try to go down and win a game for us.”

Wilks was then asked by Joseph Person of The Athletic if Darnold could get the start next week against the Denver Broncos. But obviously, 20 minutes after the game isn’t the best time to get an answer on that.

“It’s too early to say, Joe,” he replied. “We gotta evaluate the tape and then from there, I’ll make a decision.”

Earlier in the week, Wilks told reporters that he plans on getting Darnold in-game reps before the campaign is over. So with Mayfield struggling once again and Walker on the mend, Week 12 may be Sam’s time.

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2...ilks-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold-week-11/

If Brisset was on the Panthers they wouldn't be any better than they are now.

Also, it's sad how far Baker has fallen in a short amount of time. He had a very promising start to his career.

Come on Vers - answer the damn questions. You started the thread and this whole forum had to read your BS post after post about how much better the Browns would be with Brissett as QB over what Baker did his 2-years with Stefanski. I've been posting the week-by-week comparison and through 10-weeks, an injured QB in Mayfield outperformed your guy. Bakers gone and, in a situation, almost exactly like when he was drafted by the Browns - a $hit team with [censored] coaches and FO. That's neither here nor there as far as what you continue to state and that my friend is being proved with each passing week that you were grossly wrong in your opinion. You can post all the crap you want to about Mayfield's struggles in Carolina because no one here really gives a damn. In case you didn't know, Mayfield isn't here anymore and obviously the Browns current record shows that he's absent. You have nothing to explain why the Browns suck so let's revert to something you know - a 5-year documented hatred of Mayfield. As WSU stated, "Your ability to lie while making yourself out to be some kind of victim is comical."

j/c:


Brissett, obviously. Compared 1:1 this year but also the mere fact one is a backup and one is/was an expected starter turned backup/possibly out of the league adds a certain level of comedy to the topic.

Our record has wildly more to do with the defensive performance than Brissett's play. Brissett is nothing special and, although his numbers and efficiency are good and has kept us in games, it hasn't elevated our offense to a point where he can win us games. That said, it's better with Brissett than it is Mayfield.

That aside, Brissett is probably having the best year of his career (2019 is up there in comparable numbers but we won't see a full season from him) and unless he stays here as a backup, which would be nice, is probably going to start for a team as a bridge to a rookie QB and get PAID. Who should be responsible for this? Brissett? Van Pelt? Stefanski/play calling? This year has been an outlier so far for Brissett and I wish I knew exactly why.

Living in the charlotte area I can tell you that they have spent entire segments of talk shows on how the Panthers cannot - no matter what - use Baker enough to give up the 4th round pick. It doesn't matter if he's better than, worse than, the same as the next QB in line, they will not use him enough to trigger the 4th round pick. If Darnold and Walker both got injured - they would sign someone and start him rather than give up a 4th round pick.

Hatred or not, it is pretty clear that brissett is playing better than baker. Comparing records of this team between this year and last isn't germane.

If Baker was as good as you and others think, he would be the Panthers starter. Bake got it out of camp, lost the job, got a recent start, and looke to be losing it again.

Bake had a good start with us, got the big head, and now in Carolina he is again being exposed as a poser.

Give it up.