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If the best GM since the return is not Dorsey, who is it then? Sashi Brown ….I’m only saying him because I’m in the mood to watch the board argue for the next 5 pages of how good/bad he was.  Sashi definitely won the Sashi/Hue War. We all know that! 
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![[Linked Image from media.giphy.com]](https://media.giphy.com/media/tyqcJoNjNv0Fq/giphy.gif) Honestly, I don't think there will be much of a debate. There aren't that many ridiculously dumb fans on here.
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For someone who claims Depo has so much control over this team since he joined, why not give him credit for building the team that made the playoffs?
Dorsey acquired the team's talent that made the playoffs...if you can't admit that, you are totally blind about what the Harvard boys have accomplished since Dorsey was fired.
What talent did depo add to the team that made the playoffs in 2020..?
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Sashi could have found better talent. With a blindfold and a dart board.
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What talent did depo add to the team that made the playoffs in 2020..? For someone who claims Depo has so much control over this team since he joined, why not give him credit for building the team that made the playoffs?
Dorsey acquired the team's talent that made the playoffs...if you can't admit that, you are totally blind about what the Harvard boys have accomplished since Dorsey was fired.
What talent did depo add to the team that made the playoffs in 2020..?
Depo was here before Dorsey.and part of the extra draft selections Dorsey got to choose from that led to Chubb and Ward. No doubt, those were Depo's decisions since he has so much power as you claim. And all of that hard work done from San Diego.
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Look at the last 2-3 pages of this thread and the posters who have completely hijacked it. Great example of why so many good posters left the board due all the idiotic agenda crap that ruins almost all threads.
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If the best GM since the return is not Dorsey, who is it then? Sashi Brown ….I’m only saying him because I’m in the mood to watch the board argue for the next 5 pages of how good/bad he was. 
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
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Look at the last 2-3 pages of this thread and the posters who have completely hijacked it. Great example of why so many good posters left the board due all the idiotic agenda crap that ruins almost all threads. So, not just agendas? Idiotic agenda crap? There's only ever one agenda here, and it's always peddled by the same martyr.
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I’m willing to wait to see what KS does with the defensive coordinator spot
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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It's easily Andrew Berry, IMO, until Watson proves to be a fail. We all know his ceiling as a QB and we've never sniffed that in terms of a franchise QB. He landed him even after Watson ruled CLE out at first, allegedly. Yeah, buying a player makes you a wizard. lol Point being, other than throwing a quarter of a billion dollars at a QB Berry has done no better than Dorsey. And some people act as though he's Jesus reincarnated. If Dorsey deserved being shown the door so does Berry.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Dorsey was shown the door because he drafted Baker Mayfield with the 1st overall pick and hired the fat, drunk, and stupid Freddie Kitchens as head coach. He was a mindless doof.
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Yet in Stefnaski's first season that same QB led this team to the playoffs. I wonder why after Baker setting rookie records you think that had anything to do with Dorsey being fired? It's not like they had some crystal ball to see the future Baker.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Look at the last 2-3 pages of this thread and the posters who have completely hijacked it. Great example of why so many good posters left the board due all the idiotic agenda crap that ruins almost all threads. So, not just agendas? Idiotic agenda crap? There's only ever one agenda here, and it's always peddled by the same martyr. CAN I GET AN "AMEN"
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Dorsey was shown the door because he drafted Baker Mayfield with the 1st overall pick and hired the fat, drunk, and stupid Freddie Kitchens as head coach. He was a mindless doof. Dorsey was shown the door for many, many reasons.
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More like sack, sack, sack.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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This is the our 3rd hurt Center? Makes JC Tretter's release sting even more. Unreal.
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This is the our 3rd hurt Center? Makes JC Tretter's release sting even more. Unreal. It might sting more if it was the split-film field that caused the injury.
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I do not know who our smartest gm was but the two smartest gm moves I have seen us make were. #1- getting a first round pick for Trent Richardson and #2- (my personal favorite) getting a 2nd round pick and the tall qb from Houston in return for picking up his contract. We had plenty of dough and I think we turned the pick into nick Chubb. I’m not sure who the gm was for those two moves but they were brilliant moves.
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Dorsey was shown the door because he drafted Baker Mayfield with the 1st overall pick and hired the fat, drunk, and stupid Freddie Kitchens as head coach. He was a mindless doof. Tell us what you really think. Dorsey kicked ass compared to Andrew Berry's pathetic drafts!
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More like sack, sack, sack. Yeah, it's going to hurt. I admit that I was wrong about Pocic. I saw his PFF numbers w/Seattle and said that while he had good grades in the run game, his pass blocking grades sucked. Well, I wasn't wrong about that part because I was quoting PFF......but, I was wrong in that I thought we would be hurting at center after Harris got hurt. Pocic has been outstanding. I'll gladly eat the crow.
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https://twitter.com/grant_puskar_/status/1594735309887078400Grant Puskar @grant_puskar_ Just a few players Andrew Berry is responsible for drafting to the #Browns: Grant Delpit, Jordan Elliot, Jacob Phillips, Anthony Schwartz, Tommy Togiai, Demetric Felton, Perrion Winfrey, Richard LeCounte III
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Those were all "opportunities". And they'll have seven more "opportunities" to see what they can do. You have to cherish every season and every game in the NFL. Stefanski and Berry don't do that.
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Froholdt against Vita Vea wont be good lol
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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LOL - sure.
The Doof had 4 picks in the top 34 of the 2018 draft:
1. B. Mayfield - We know how that worked out.
2. D. Ward - Mr. Concussion and oft-injured.
3. Corbett - Traded away less than a year later for a 5th round pick.
4. N. Chubb - Homerun.
Awesome drafting. Following year, The Doof trades 1st, 4th, and Peppers for the great BloBJ. Drafts Greedy Williams in 2nd round - about as average as average can be (if on the field which is rare).
So, by my count, they have 4 players from the Dorsey drafts still on the team: Chubb, Ward, Taki, and Williams - that's some really good drafting there.
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You're selling yourself short Hammer... those are the bright spots!
Donnie Lewis Jr.
Drew Forbes
Austin Seibert
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That's rap legend Major Nine!
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I don't give up hope until the word mathematically gets tossed in. Then I check their math.
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LOL - sure.
The Doof had 4 picks in the top 34 of the 2018 draft:
1. B. Mayfield - We know how that worked out.
2. D. Ward - Mr. Concussion and oft-injured.
3. Corbett - Traded away less than a year later for a 5th round pick.
4. N. Chubb - Homerun.
Awesome drafting. Following year, The Doof trades 1st, 4th, and Peppers for the great BloBJ. Drafts Greedy Williams in 2nd round - about as average as average can be (if on the field which is rare).
So, by my count, they have 4 players from the Dorsey drafts still on the team: Chubb, Ward, Taki, and Williams - that's some really good drafting there. All of our GM's have SUCKED! What is your damn point? Dorsey did better than Berry lil fella.
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Berry is a garbage GM. Dorsey is not a GM any longer for a
Reason but at least he hit a HR with the drafting of Chubb
Berry has hit no Homeruns as a GM.
Berry has drafted average players at best.
Even Sashi drafted a HR in Myles Garrett. But a blind clown
Could have made that selection
Wills is a bust..Delphit bust. Bryant bust .JOK...under achiever
How's the genius trade Berry made on draft day this year coming along?
York was all hype ....Winfrey is a clown. .....Emerson might be a find.
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PFF Grades after 11 weeks of play and 10 Browns games.
PFF GRADES THROUGH 10-weeks
TOTAL OFFENSIVE GRADES:
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Chubb - RB - 90.3 - 2nd of 63 - Georgia - 2018
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Bitonio - G - 88.4 - 2nd of 83 - Nevada - 2014
___________________________________7 players performing at Starter Level 84-70
Pocic - C - 83.0 - 2nd of 39 - LSU - 2017 (Injured - placed on IR)
Njoku - TE - 82.9 - 3rd of 70 - Miami, FL - 2017
Brissett - QB - 81.7 - 8th of 39 - NC State - 2016
Cooper - WR - 79.0 - 14th of 117 - Alabama - 2016
Teller - G - 77.6 - 6th of 83 - Virginia Tech - 2018
Hubbard - T - 74.7 - NR - UAB - 2013
DPJ - WR - 70.8 - 41st of 117 - Michigan - 2020
___________________________________10 players currently performing at Backup Level 69-60
Conklin - OT - 67.7 - 39th of 80 - Michigan St - 2016
Hunt - RB - 66.3 - 41st of 63 - Toledo - 2017
Froholdt - G - 66.0 - 31st of 83 - Arkansas - 2019
Johnson - RB - 65.9 - NR - South Florida - 2019
Wills - OT - 65.5 - 47th of 80 - Alabama - 2020
Forbes - OG - 64.7 - NR - SE Missouri St - 2019
York - K - 63.4 - 29th of 43 - LSU - 2022
Dunn - OT - 61.1 - NR - Maryland - 2017
Forristall - TE - 60.1 - NR - Alabama - 2021
Haeg - OT - 60.0 - NR - N Dakota St - 2016
___________________________________9 players currently performing at Replaceable Level 59-0
Bryant - TE - 57.3 - 53rd of 70 - Florida Atlantic - 2020
Brown - TE - 56.3 - 54th of 70 - Oregon - 2017
Felton - WR - 56.1 - NR - UCLA - 2021
Bell - WR - 56.0 - 106th of 117 - Purdue - 2022
Woods II - WR - 55.7 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Hudson - OT - 53.8 - 74th of 80 - Cincinnati - 2021
Schwartz - WR - 49.1 - NR - Auburn - 2021
James - TE - 42.2 - NR - Penn St - 2015
Rogers - WR - 00.0 - NR - Grambling St - 2016
TOTAL DEFENSIVE GRADE
___________________________________1 player currently performing at Elite Level 90-100
Garrett - Edge - 92.7 - 1st of 116 - Texas A&M - 2017
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Walker - LB - 82.7 - NR - Northwestern - 2017 (injured, out for season)
Emerson - CB - 73.3 - 20th of 120 - Mississippi St - 2022
Clowney - Edge - 71.4 - 40th of 116 - South Carolina - 2014
Takitaki - LB - 70.8 - 23rd of 82 - BYU - 2019
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Bojorquez - P - 69.1 - 15th of 32 - New Mexico - 2018
D. Bell - S - 64.5 - NR - West Florida Argonauts - 2022
JOK - LB - 63,4 - 42nd of 82 - Notre Dame - 2021
Kunaszyk - LB - 63.1 - NR - California - 2019
Newsome - CB - 62.1 - 62nd of 120 - Northwestern - 2021
Stille - DT - 60.7 - NR - Nebraska - 2022
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Thomas - Edge - 58.1 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Johnson - S - 57.7 - 66th of 86 - Boston Coll - 2017
Delpit - S - 56.5 - 68th of 86 - LSU - 2020
Williams - CB - 55.9 - NR - LSU - 2019
Rochell - Edge - 52.9 - NR - Notre Dame - 2017 (Waived 11/12)
Perry - DT - 52.4 - NR - Illinois - 2022 (Waived 11/14)
Winovich - Edge - 50.8 - NR - Michigan - 2019
Bryan - DT - 46.7 - 100th of 122 - Florida - 2018
Winfrey - DT - 45.6 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Green - CB - 45.1 - NR - Oklahoma St - 2020
Ward - CB - 44.1 - 114th of 120 - Ohio St - 2018
Harrison - S - 42.1 - NR - Alabama - 2018
Fields -- LB - 38.4 - NR - West Virginia - 2021
Phillips - LB - 36.7 - 78th of 82 - LSU - 2020 (injured, out for season)
Wright - Edge - 34.6 - 116th of 116 - UAB - 2022
Jones - LB - 33.5 - NR - LSU - 2016
Elliott - DT - 31.3 - 117th of 122 - Missouri - 2020
Togiai - DT - 30.4 - 120th of 122 - Ohio St - 2021
NR = Not Ranked due to not having snap minimum
SCALE:
100 - 90 = Elite level of play
85-89 = Pro Bowl level of play
84-70 = Starter level of play
69-60 = Backup level of play
59-0 = Replaceable level of play
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PFF Grades after 11 weeks of play and 10 Browns games.
PFF GRADES THROUGH 10-weeks
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___________________________________1 player currently performing at Elite Level 90-100
Chubb - RB - 90.3 - 2nd of 63 - Georgia - 2018
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Bitonio - G - 88.4 - 2nd of 83 - Nevada - 2014
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Pocic - C - 83.0 - 2nd of 39 - LSU - 2017 (Injured - placed on IR)
Njoku - TE - 82.9 - 3rd of 70 - Miami, FL - 2017
Brissett - QB - 81.7 - 8th of 39 - NC State - 2016
Cooper - WR - 79.0 - 14th of 117 - Alabama - 2016
Teller - G - 77.6 - 6th of 83 - Virginia Tech - 2018
Hubbard - T - 74.7 - NR - UAB - 2013
DPJ - WR - 70.8 - 41st of 117 - Michigan - 2020
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Conklin - OT - 67.7 - 39th of 80 - Michigan St - 2016
Hunt - RB - 66.3 - 41st of 63 - Toledo - 2017
Froholdt - G - 66.0 - 31st of 83 - Arkansas - 2019
Johnson - RB - 65.9 - NR - South Florida - 2019
Wills - OT - 65.5 - 47th of 80 - Alabama - 2020
Forbes - OG - 64.7 - NR - SE Missouri St - 2019
York - K - 63.4 - 29th of 43 - LSU - 2022
Dunn - OT - 61.1 - NR - Maryland - 2017
Forristall - TE - 60.1 - NR - Alabama - 2021
Haeg - OT - 60.0 - NR - N Dakota St - 2016
___________________________________9 players currently performing at Replaceable Level 59-0
Bryant - TE - 57.3 - 53rd of 70 - Florida Atlantic - 2020
Brown - TE - 56.3 - 54th of 70 - Oregon - 2017
Felton - WR - 56.1 - NR - UCLA - 2021
Bell - WR - 56.0 - 106th of 117 - Purdue - 2022
Woods II - WR - 55.7 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Hudson - OT - 53.8 - 74th of 80 - Cincinnati - 2021
Schwartz - WR - 49.1 - NR - Auburn - 2021
James - TE - 42.2 - NR - Penn St - 2015
Rogers - WR - 00.0 - NR - Grambling St - 2016
TOTAL DEFENSIVE GRADE
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Garrett - Edge - 92.7 - 1st of 116 - Texas A&M - 2017
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Walker - LB - 82.7 - NR - Northwestern - 2017 (injured, out for season)
Emerson - CB - 73.3 - 20th of 120 - Mississippi St - 2022
Clowney - Edge - 71.4 - 40th of 116 - South Carolina - 2014
Takitaki - LB - 70.8 - 23rd of 82 - BYU - 2019
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Bojorquez - P - 69.1 - 15th of 32 - New Mexico - 2018
D. Bell - S - 64.5 - NR - West Florida Argonauts - 2022
JOK - LB - 63,4 - 42nd of 82 - Notre Dame - 2021
Kunaszyk - LB - 63.1 - NR - California - 2019
Newsome - CB - 62.1 - 62nd of 120 - Northwestern - 2021
Stille - DT - 60.7 - NR - Nebraska - 2022
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Thomas - Edge - 58.1 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Johnson - S - 57.7 - 66th of 86 - Boston Coll - 2017
Delpit - S - 56.5 - 68th of 86 - LSU - 2020
Williams - CB - 55.9 - NR - LSU - 2019
Rochell - Edge - 52.9 - NR - Notre Dame - 2017 (Waived 11/12)
Perry - DT - 52.4 - NR - Illinois - 2022 (Waived 11/14)
Winovich - Edge - 50.8 - NR - Michigan - 2019
Bryan - DT - 46.7 - 100th of 122 - Florida - 2018
Winfrey - DT - 45.6 - NR - Oklahoma - 2022
Green - CB - 45.1 - NR - Oklahoma St - 2020
Ward - CB - 44.1 - 114th of 120 - Ohio St - 2018
Harrison - S - 42.1 - NR - Alabama - 2018
Fields -- LB - 38.4 - NR - West Virginia - 2021
Phillips - LB - 36.7 - 78th of 82 - LSU - 2020 (injured, out for season)
Wright - Edge - 34.6 - 116th of 116 - UAB - 2022
Jones - LB - 33.5 - NR - LSU - 2016
Elliott - DT - 31.3 - 117th of 122 - Missouri - 2020
Togiai - DT - 30.4 - 120th of 122 - Ohio St - 2021
NR = Not Ranked due to not having snap minimum
SCALE:
100 - 90 = Elite level of play
85-89 = Pro Bowl level of play
84-70 = Starter level of play
69-60 = Backup level of play
59-0 = Replaceable level of play Just curious. Do you look at position rank as well as their grades? Njoku is listed as a starter but is 3rd overall. Pocic is listed as number. 2 of all centers. I personally like looking at the numbers and ranks but don’t put all that much stock in them.
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I look at those numbers/grades and can’t believe how bad they are. Ward, Philips, the DTs etc … it’s just embarrassing
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I'd trade Ward to the highest bidder. If it was a 3rd rounder, I'd take it. If it was lower, then I guess I would have to keep him. He is probably as good as most 4th round corners who could be drafted.
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