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As a Buckeyes fan, I was quite content beating Michigan and going to the Rose Bowl given that we were beaten by an unranked team on our own field. There isn't a team in the country deserving of being in the championship game this year. The old bowl system would have been perfect for this total mess.
The aforementioned player put it perfectly: "We're quite happy going to the Rose Bowl, but if nobody else wants the championship game, we'll take it."
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I hope we play LSU and stomp a mudhole in them. Let ole Les Miles see exactly what he will be getting himself into. 
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Whats so confusing about that peen? is your old age getting the best of ya 
No....it was reported many times yesterday that Miles is staying at LSU.
I really don't understand your comment if it doesn't pertain to that.
Well he was just speculating like everyone else that he might still go there after the bowl game....or in a year or 2.....that is all...
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So he's staying?
I hadn't heard. I wasn't at home much yesterday and didn't really watch t.v so I hadn't heard anything about it.
I'll believe it after the bowl games are played.
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All I can do is attempt to catch you up to speed.. It is up to you two if you don't want to believe what he has said in 2-3 interviews since yesterday morning.
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No. 1 Missouri and No. 2 West Virginia? Sorry, you had your chance. You're out, even though you'll probably still be ranked in the top 10.
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No anti-SEC bias there huh,...?
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Well he was just speculating like everyone else that he might still go there after the bowl game....or in a year or 2.....that is all...
Quit backtracking.
You were talking smack without knowing what the hell you are talking about.....a common event.
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People in New Orleans even joke about it being called "N'awlins"
Not a big deal, and I can't believe an issue is being made over it. Please.
Now, you want a big deal, let's get back to this Santa and the "ho hoh ho" stuff. That crap has got to stop. 
My mother-in-law calls New Orleans "N'awlins" and she is from Dayton.  Why do people have a problem with that? People from NO call it that.
Can you just imagine the thousands of Buckeye fans on Bourbon street? Good God look out! If they thought Katrina was bad, just wait till a sea of Buckeyes takes over their city hehe. Hope I can be one of them.
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I was talking to a non-Buckeye fan recently and he said " the only time OSU fans want a playoff is when the Buckeyes aren't #1 or #2.". Well, I'm a huge Buckeye fan and I still think NCAA football needs an 8 team playoff.
that's garbage, most buckeye fans that i know all say that there needs to be a playoff... regardless of whether or not they are in the top 2....
another dumb assumption by people that just dislike ohio state...
there are a boatload of ohio state fans on this board, and in the few years i've been around here, i don't think i've ever heard someone say that they like the bcs...
I can't say I dislike the BCS, becasue I like it better than the old bowl system,....can't say it don't need tweaking though. I am not "anti-playoff" though I could care less if there is one -- it wouldn't be for the right reasons anyway, it's only about the money -- the CASH -- the Cha Ching !! Nobody, in power, really cares who wins the thing.
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Are you going to answer my question???
How is it "bad" for the game??
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People in New Orleans even joke about it being called "N'awlins"
Not a big deal, and I can't believe an issue is being made over it. Please.
Now, you want a big deal, let's get back to this Santa and the "ho hoh ho" stuff. That crap has got to stop.
My mother-in-law calls New Orleans "N'awlins" and she is from Dayton. Why do people have a problem with that? People from NO call it that.
Can you just imagine the thousands of Buckeye fans on Bourbon street? Good God look out! If they thought Katrina was bad, just wait till a sea of Buckeyes takes over their city hehe. Hope I can be one of them.
Thanks for telling that PC wack job how it is guys....i couldn't believe he was offended when i said that....
Anyways are you goin down Lee? i'm about 85% sure of going down...i'm flying to houston i think sometimes that week n then driving to.....wait for it.......NAWWWW-LINSSSS
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You're not bad at making argument adjustments,... Give me your rundown on why Oklahoma should be 2 vs. LSU. I would ask to throw USC into the same comparison, but they lost to Stanford,....way above the level of Oklahoma's stub vs, TexasTech. And make sure you put their OOC games in there.
This going to get really ugly with Hawaii at 12-0.
Oklahoma lost to Colorado and Texas Tech. Both teams that were .500 in the Big 12. Colorado was 6-6 overall. Aside from the Stanford loss, that is the worst team one of the possible participants lost to. Texas Tech is a decent team but guess who they lost to? Colorado.  The same Colorado team that lost to Florida State, Arizona State, Kansas State by 27, Iowa State and Missouri.......by 45!!!!!!!!!!!
While USC is playing great football......you can't lose to a 41 point underdog and get in when there's other worthy 2 loss schools.
LSU lost twice in 3OT's to (8-4) Arkansas and (7-5) Kentucky. The Kentucky loss is viewed as their worst, which is still a lot better football team then Stanford or Colorado.
It's really an argument of who's **** stinks the least. In the end, it's probably LSU by a hair over Oklahoma.
Had Virginia tech not lost by such a huge margin to LSU, they would probably go as their losses would have been the "best" combo (close loss to #14 BC and #2 LSU).
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well.. gotta wait and see what happens...
its obvious that LSU is what the media wants to see, but i dont care.. they don't deserve it!!!
Can't agree more 'Turk,...but I'd feel better about supporting you if only the Dawgs had made it to the SEC Title game,....LSU didn't look "real good" beating Tennessee either. This is why I'm still straying toward the Sooners, possibly even VaTech -- nope, forget that, they lost to LSU BIG. Hell, I'm about to get on the Hawaii bandwagon,....
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I don't see how OSU fans even have a gripe about who else may get in as well. OSU lost at home to an unranked team in their second to last game. If that disqualifies LSU, then why doesn't it disqualify Ohio State?
Because 1 is usually less than 2,...??
Nobody's griping, just asking questions. And Illinois is not an unranked team. The season is a whole season. I believe in playing out the entire season before judging where/what a team WAS ranked when you played them. Illinois is now going to the Rose Bowl as the Big 10 rep -- what's that based on ??
Well that may be so but why are other people calling the Arkansas loss as one to an unranked team then? They're #25. 
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Thanks for pointin' that out,...it wasn't me. That makes that Kentucky loss a real screamer,...especially since they were # 1 at the time (heck they were # 1 BOTH times and couldn't hold on,...)
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Are you going to answer my question???
How is it "bad" for the game??
Because it's exactly why the BCS was put in place. To AVOID splitting the national title between two teams that didn't get to play each other. It's not settling it on the field if everyone has to clamor and make a case on why their team sucked the least. It turns in to an election, not a sport.
Surely, the focus is going to be negative from now until the BCS games in what was otherwise a great year. I don't see how that's a positive? Will they be talking about it? Sure, people will but they'll be arguing what system and team sucks the least. I don't see how that's a good thing?
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People in New Orleans even joke about it being called "N'awlins"
Not a big deal, and I can't believe an issue is being made over it. Please.
Now, you want a big deal, let's get back to this Santa and the "ho hoh ho" stuff. That crap has got to stop.
My mother-in-law calls New Orleans "N'awlins" and she is from Dayton. Why do people have a problem with that? People from NO call it that.
Can you just imagine the thousands of Buckeye fans on Bourbon street? Good God look out! If they thought Katrina was bad, just wait till a sea of Buckeyes takes over their city hehe. Hope I can be one of them.
Thanks for telling that PC wack job how it is guys....i couldn't believe he was offended when i said that....
Anyways are you goin down Lee? i'm about 85% sure of going down...i'm flying to houston i think sometimes that week n then driving to.....wait for it.......NAWWWW-LINSSSS
My brother-in-law told me if we get back to the national championship game again he is deff going and I have to go with him, since I went last year and he couldn't. So were working on the details and I am crunching numbers to see if I can go. With Christmas coming up it's gonna be difficult. But not impossible.
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I'm trying to figure out how we're gonna have a split title,...but I find it hard to do before we can see how these polls come out this evening first.
Hell, Ohio State MAY not even be the # 1 team,....
Will USC play Illinois ?? Would destroying them be enough for the AP to issue them a paper championship,...while either Oklahoma or LSU destroys Ohio State in the Title game ???
I just don't think it's all as bad as we make it out to be.
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throw virginia tech out, no voter is going to stick them above lsu, especially when lsu destroyed them at the beginning of the year...
if it's not lsu, it's usc... and usc lost to stanford in their own barn, lsu lost 2 games in overtime...
VATech was higher ranked going into yetaerdays games, that is with LSUs whooping of them already factored in. VaTech beat a higher ranked team easier than LSU beat a lower ranked team. How could you justify moving LSU over VATECH??
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VATech was higher ranked going into yetaerdays games, that is with LSUs whooping of them already factored in. VaTech beat a higher ranked team easier than LSU beat a lower ranked team. How could you justify moving LSU over VATECH??
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I'm trying to figure out how we're gonna have a split title,...but I find it hard to do before we can see how these polls come out this evening first.
My scenario was LSU beating OSU by 7 or less and having Oklahoma absolutely destroy Georgia (or whoever else) or having USC blast Illinois.
Any situation in which one of the other deserving 1 loss teams wins huge while LSU barely squeaks it out.
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throw virginia tech out, no voter is going to stick them above lsu, especially when lsu destroyed them at the beginning of the year...
if it's not lsu, it's usc... and usc lost to stanford in their own barn, lsu lost 2 games in overtime...
VATech was higher ranked going into yetaerdays games, that is with LSUs whooping of them already factored in. VaTech beat a higher ranked team easier than LSU beat a lower ranked team. How could you justify moving LSU over VATECH??
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That's a really good point/counter-argument, but when you boil it down to making out your poll ballot, these voters are going swing that vote between those 2 teams based on THAT result,...yes, it stinks, but that's how it works.
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I'm trying to figure out how we're gonna have a split title,...but I find it hard to do before we can see how these polls come out this evening first.
My scenario was LSU beating OSU by 7 or less and having Oklahoma absolutely destroy Georgia (or whoever else) or having USC blast Illinois.
Any situation in which one of the other deserving 1 loss teams wins huge while LSU barely squeaks it out.
I'll still bide my time -- watching the Browns -- and wait to see how many voters swing around in the AP, the Coaches and Harris. I think that'll go a long way in determining if there is a danger factor for a split,...in any case, you know how I feel. If LSU wins the title game, I buy an LSU flag for the pole.
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The AP is already out: Hawaii at 10 is kind of a crock IMO 1. Ohio State (50) 11-1 1,578 2. LSU (11) 11-2 1,519 3. Oklahoma (1) 11-2 1,423 4. Georgia (1) 10-2 1,421 5. Virginia Tech (1) 11-2 1,380 6. USC 10-2 1,346 7. Missouri 11-2 1,195 8. Kansas 11-1 1,164 9. Florida 9-3 1,071 10. Hawaii (1) 12-0 1,050 11. West Virginia 10-2 1,040 12. Arizona State 10-2 939 13. Illinois 9-3 797 14. Boston College 10-3 668 15. Clemson 9-3 614 16. Tennessee 9-4 554 17. Texas 9-3 517 18. Wisconsin 9-3 447 19. Brigham Young 10-2 439 20. Cincinnati 9-3 394 21. Virginia 9-3 344 22. Auburn 8-4 264 23. South Florida 9-3 246 24. Boise State 10-2 221 25. Arkansas 8-4 173 Others Receiving Votes Texas Tech 137, UCF 35, Connecticut 31, Oregon 30, Oregon State 30, Michigan 26, Air Force 17, Kentucky 13, Penn State 1, Wake Forest 1. Dropped From Rankings Oregon 18. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex
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Wow,....
If this is any indicator how the Coaches and Harris go, then LSU is a shoo-in, no ??
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Kansas drops one spot and Georgia stays where it was without playing, and Ohio State gains two positions. The voters, once again, aren't voting for teams, but rather voting for the match-up that they want. This is why having a large percentage determined by computers made more sense than having it determined by voters. Voters are idiots. lol
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Yeah, there in lies the problem. Humans can't get out of their own way. The past two seasons, a team that was ranked #2 (Michigan) or should have been ranked #2 (Georgia) (if the polls functioned as they do the other 13 weeks of the season) has been bumped out of that spot simply because they didn't play the last week. While I understand why (not winning conference), I can't believe this is the best possible solution. If you don't want to face the prospect of a team actually getting in, DON'T PUT THEM IN THE POSITION TO. While I don't believe either of those teams should have probably gotten in, why the hell do the voters keep them there and even present the possibility of such a scenario playing out? It's really nauseating at this point. The precedent they're setting is that the polls are apparently worthless for the first 13 weeks of the season, regardless of where you're ranked.
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I did appreciate 1 going to Hawaii though.
The Coaches are out too,...LSU got 11 first place votes there also,....wonder what 11 coaches those were,.... 
I agree with log,...maybe we need to go back to the computers at 50% vs 33.
Oklahoma is really getting screwed here. I would love for all of the Big Ten's coaches to skew their votes to Oklahoma,...Ohio State STILL would have been # 1 anyway,....
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How Virginia Tech only jump to 5, yet LSU jump to 2? they both WON!!!! and Virginia Tech played the better ranked team!! 
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Coaches Top 25
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1 Ohio State (46) 11-1 1469 3 W14-3 at Michigan
2 LSU (11) 11-2 1418 7 W21-14 Tennessee
3 Oklahoma (2) 11-2 1331 8 W38-17 at Missouri
4 Georgia 10-2 1277 4 W31-17 at Georgia Tech
5 Virginia Tech 11-2 1242 5 W30-16 at Boston College
6 USC 10-2 1227 9 W24-7 UCLA
7 Missouri 11-2 1104 2 L17-38 Oklahoma
8 Kansas 11-1 1099 5 L28-36 Missouri
9 West Virginia 10-2 1010 1 L9-13 Pittsburgh
10 Hawaii (1) 12-0 994 10 W35-28 Washington
11 Arizona State 10-2 900 13 W20-17 Arizona
12 Florida 9-3 890 11 W45-12 Florida State
13 Illinois 9-3 747 14 W41-22 Northwestern
14 Boston College 10-3 617 12 L16-30 Virginia Tech
15 Wisconsin 9-3 594 16 W41-34 at Minnesota
16 Clemson 9-3 567 17 W23-21 at South Carolina
17 Texas 9-3 498 18 L30-38 at Texas A&M
18 Tennessee 9-4 480 15 L14-21 at LSU
19 Brigham Young 10-2 462 19 San Diego State W48-27 at San Diego State
20 Virginia 9-3 332 21 L21-33 Virginia Tech
21 Auburn 8-4 289 21 W17-10 Alabama
22 Boise State 10-2 246 23 L27-39 at Hawaii
23 Cincinnati 9-3 215 24 Southern Miss W52-31 at Syracuse
24 Arkansas 8-4 137 25 W50-48 at LSU
25 South Florida 9-3 115 27 W48-37 at Pittsburgh
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It's really nauseating at this point. The precedent they're setting is that the polls are apparently worthless for the first 13 weeks of the season, regardless of where you're ranked.
You've been "feeling" me on this all along,....there should be NO poll out until week 6/7,..and THEN they should have to tell us who voted what, so we can lambaste their butts.
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How Virginia Tech only jump to 5, yet LSU jump to 2? they both WON!!!! and Virginia Tech played the better ranked team!!
While I agree to a point, I have no problem with LSU jumping Georgia or VaTech, .....but Oklahoma TOO ??? It's BS, because LSU didn't drop as far as they should have after the Arkansas loss. IF Ohio State had beaten Illinois, how far do you think they would have fallen with a loss to Michigan,...?? That's right, COMPLETELY OUT of the Top Ten.
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Hopefully they will be as flip-flopped on LSU -- Oklahoma as they were last week on West Virginia and Mizz,...
That way it will at least be gnat's-ass close, as it should be. I hope it comes down to one single vote on one single ballot. I love the math.
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This ranking system is awful if you really think about it. Georgia is ranked right behind us, but sounds like they will get screwed here. So what's the point of ranking the teams this way? I'm all for ranking the teams and having a 4 team playoff. Anything over 4 teams IMO is too long of a season since it would be adding 2 whole games to their schedules.
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We have a Harris Poll voter on a local radio station (WKNR) named Kenny Roda. He's a huge Buckeye fan and makes no bones about it ... I can only guess that the rest of the voters are pretty much the same when it comes to their local teams. I was about to say that the Coaches poll was the one I trusted most, but then I thought these guys (coaches) probably have seen less of the other conferences than I have, seeing as how they are coaching on game day and the only film they watch is of upcoming opponents. Plus, the coaches have their own agendas too with regards to conference loyalty, and with the possibility of your higher vote for a conference cohort getting your team to a better bowl game. In other words, its a total cluster-<BLEEP>.
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As a Big Ten fan, I "suppose" I should be hoping NOT,...but the good guy in me says however, even if it might eliminate Illinois from the Rose, Hawaii deserves a BCS Game; pretty much just like Boise State last year who PROVED they rated to be there,....fluke or not.
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