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Stefanski already sacrificed the playoffs with the job he's done.

It makes zero sense to start Brissett. Why are dumb questions like this even a discussion? People want to give no gametime to a guy who hasn't played in 2 years?

Lolz.

First game back in 700 days... let's give him some time... had a few flashes but clearly he's got a ton of rust...

and you give him time because his ceiling is miles higher than Jacoby's....

There is no way anybody plays Qb other than Watson unless he gets injured

This has been and is a throwaway year. The only goal for this year is to get Watson up to speed.

Will the Browns play a relevant game in December anytime soon?

Not under Stefanski. Apparently we'll find a reason for every season to be a throwaway.

We made the playoffs his first year... played last year with a banged up QB and this year with a back up...

Absolutely correct. I cannot wrap my head around this even being a question.

People are actually calling for Jacoby Brissett to start over a healthy Deshaun Watson? Good God, that's embarrassing. Watson is this team's franchise QB whether some fans like it or not. This was his first game in 2 years and we all knew he was going to be rusty. Even though we all knew he'd be rusty, some fans lose their minds and demand for him to be benched in favor of Brissett because he actually WAS rusty? Anybody calling for Brissett to start has to eliminate the off-field behavior and also look more than 5 seconds down the road.

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With basically 4 full years under both of their belts, Brissett's ceiling is lower than Watson's floor. But, because Watson played poorly in his first game back after 2 years, the elite franchise QB that the organization has gone ALL in on should be benched for the vastly inferior journeyman with the prayer the team wins out after only winning 4 games with him at QB this season? Watson is our QB and there in NO quarterback controversy. Watson is 100% the starter and Brissett is 100% the backup. The QB train is moving ahead at full steam with Watson, so Brissett lovers will either have to quickly jump on or be left behind at the station. We now have to give Watson time to adjust and return to his well-established form. Calls for Watson to be benched are laughably embarrassing. Come on, guys.

Lol yeah this is Watson’s ride now. Even if he is AWFUL we can’t go back

The players are not as ignorant as some of the fans are.

If Watson performs poorly next week, but we somehow manage a win, and other things happen to keep us in the hunt, then you MUST consider this year, IMO. But no matter how this year plays out, Watson is the guy going forward. And we all know yesterday wasn't really his best or even close. He's rusty, period.

I expect him to be much improved this week. He will have had two weeks with the ones then. This past few weeks, he has played QB of the PS. That didn't help yesterday.

Myles is just trying not to be Joe T. He doesn't want the hall of fame career without a chance at the big game and a title shot. I don't blame him.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/arti...wasting_players_primes/s1_13132_38150313

I hadn't seen that ... I think that says a lot, and I'd have to believe he is not the only player feeling that way.

As usual, I think some people are misinterpreting Myles' comments.

Did anyone really expect DW to light it up yesterday? I sure as heck didn't. It's going to take some time and that's what these next 5 games will do; help him get back to game speed. Now if we had won those 2-3 games we should have and were right in the thick of the playoff chase then a decision would have to be made but we're not. Let's just hope for the best these next 5 games and then hope our weak areas on the team are addressed aggressively this off season so we can be legit contenders next year.

When you are in the hospital on life support, right before they ask your family if they want the plug to be pulled you're still alive too.

Tough analogy Pit but certainly true!

You're just talking crazy mac. Brissett is never going to lead this team to a SB victory. He's just not. The only shot of that happening is with watson at QB. The FO knows it, the coaching staff knows it and the players know it. Here's what you would accomplish by starting Brissett. An outside chance at best that the Browns squeak into the playoffs. And that's a very remote chance. But he's certainly not a QB that's going to get you much further. So what does that really accomplish?

OR, you have watson. Most every objective poster knew watson was going to be rusty as hell. That was a given. Maybe not this rusty but still. Will watson get back to being just as good as he was before? Nobody know the answer to that for sure but there's little doubt he will be better than Brissett and if he does get back to his old self on the field the Browns have a shot at a SB victory. So he's going to have to go through shaking the rust off. He's going to have to learn actual in game timing with his WR's and learn to work with his team mates on the field of play. And don't even start to claim that gets done in practice. Nothing resembles the speed of the game except for the game.

So you proposal would be to play Brissett this season and next season shake the rust off of watson? So that hurts the chances of the Browns making the playoffs and winning a SB next year just so you can try some desperate attempt to make the playoffs this year? That's a very short sighted approach to things.

What do you think the interpretation should be?

Express an opinion and someone asks for a link.

Provide quotations from a player and be told the words don't mean what the player said.

Priceless.

Another 3 games or so then the honeymoon is over and it’s time to deliver some $230m performances. After Christmas I don’t want to listen to any more excuses from our HC.

I think he is frustrated by losing. They had just got blown out by Miami. I think he is saying that everyone needs to do a better job because the team has talent. I do NOT think he is saying that the coaching staff and/or FO is/are to blame exclusively.

I’ve complained about some cute play calls KS has made that have backfired with ugly results, and I think sometimes he tries to be too ‘creative’ when the simpler approach would be better.


but I think he’s a smart coach. When we start winning more often any doubts the players might have about him -if they exist at all - will evaporate. Winning cures all. The opinion of fans - all of us - aren’t very important.

<Jim Mora> Playoffs? Playoffs??? </Jim Mora>.

This next 5 games will be preseason games for Watson for 2023.

I would agree with nthe frustrated part completely.

I would agree that he is saying everybody needs to do better.
But I do think that he includes the coaching staff in that.

Yes, I agree that he is including the coaching staff. I said "everyone," and I was including the coaching staff in the "everyone." I probably should have been more clear. I just don't think he is placing all the blame on the coaching staff and/or the FO, depending upon the particular poster's agenda.

Just a thought - While there would be no question as to which QB has the credentials to be classified as being elite, maybe Garrett's thought process concerning his comments considering then, last year, and certainly now; might be construed as a call-out questioning if the HC/FO are actually making the decisions that give the Browns the best opportunity to win? After winning the last 2-games, the Browns playoff chances have been enhanced, no question. Does getting the rust off Watson only to have him then sit for 8-months before he sees any real action again appear to be wasting the players talents and the slim opportunity the Browns have in 2022? I get the thought process of Watson being the 230M man and the future, but isn't Garrett the 125M man, Chubb the 36.6M man, Ward the 100.5M man, Bitonio the 69M man, and Teller the 53.9M man who also should be taken into consideration when making decisions on what players to play that give the Browns the "BEST" opportunity to win right now? Maybe the Super Bowl, so to say, isn't actually in the cards but stranger things have happened. However, a playoff appearance after last year and this year's poor start would be a statement on the quality of players on the Browns outside of QB and a vindication of the Browns HC/FO commitment to winning every game.

It seems important that the consensus best DE in the NFL is questioning the importance of winning by fellow players and the HC/FO. The other elephant in the room is how many of the other players are actually a part of the silent majority having those thoughts. I'd suspect that if the Browns go 6-0 under Watson and make the playoffs then the HC/FO will look like geniuses but if they go 1-5, 2-4, or even 3-3, there will be questions all off season about dumping the season to get the rust off a player going on an 8-month vacation and the player frustration level will be 10-fold. Just my opinion.

You seem to know what the players goals, coach's goals, and FO goals were/ are, and also assume they are all different.

It would appear you interpret a players quotes intentions to be either positive or negative depending on who that player is far more than what that player says. For some players I've never heard you bring up the fact they were frustrated as a part of your reasoning. Until it wasn't a certain player.

For all of those words you still have no credible reason why Brissett should remain the starter.

Jesus man. You think the current team with about an 8% chance of even making the playoffs should risk the readiness of next season which if watson has these six games under his belt could very well compete for a SB. You somehow think that a team with no chance to win a SB this season should risk next season when they very well may have.

So no matter how you slice it, your scenario makes no sense. It seems your real issue is you somehow think it would be better to try and win in a season that's already lost than invest in winning next year when it may actually matter. Let me explain it to you this way. They paid watson a 230 mil. guaranteed contract. If he doesn't play now to shake off the rust he will be where he is now if not worse at the beginning of next season. So according to your logic, they shouldn't start him next year either. Because you know, with all that rust he won't be ready to play next year either, right? Come on man.