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The 4th down call was simply a losing decision and execution. Just dumb

Stefanski's response to this in his presser was that TDs were going to be at a premium. No one followed up with the question of doesn't a first down still help you get a TD?

The similarities between Stefanski and Nagy are startling.

Doesn't prioritize winning.

It's every week with these bad decisions isn't it?

York was really (verbally) upset he didn't get a chance to kick FG's. He's got the passion and he knows he can kick it 65+ yards. Stefanski doesn't trust him yet.

Another reason Stefanski is a poor head coach. There was literally nothing to lose there going for it. Time would have expired during the kick. Fg or hail Mary?

Oh I know, Stefanski wanted TDs.

And if or when Haslam fires Stefanski, you're right back to Haslam, who is completely inept, ultimately responsible for hiring the next HC with J-Dubs riding shotgun. Neither of which have a clue or have identified what exactly they want and expect in a HC or FO. It's throwing darts at a dartboard.

Allow me to lay out the next few years for you knowing this franchise.

If Stefanski is retained:

2023: After a slow start, Stefanski is fired, an interim HC takes over and we have another lost season.
2024: It's a new HC and new scheme that the offense and defense have to learn. This will take some time. Another season wasted.
2025: Watson isn't Superman!, We don't have Cooper anymore, Chubb is gone, Myles Garrett is 30 now and Joel Bitonio a shell of himself at age 34.

If Stefanski is fired:

2023: It's a new HC and new scheme that the offense and defense have to learn. This will take some time. Another season wasted.
2024: We've got a new GM after Berry and company were fired. The new GM needs time to bring in his guys and we don't even have a first round pick.
2025: Watson isn't Superman!, We don't have Cooper anymore, Chubb is gone, Myles Garrett is 30 now and Joel Bitonio a shell of himself at age 34.

Fingers crossed success is somehow stumbled upon!

I know for sure Option A, Part 1 is going to happen so I choose Option B. At least there is some unknown there. Stefanski is a known at.this point.

You have laid out the REAL future. They all lead to the same places we have already been to before. Nowhere.

Negative vibes, SB, negative vibes......

Stefanski left 6 points (potentially 9 at the end of the half) on the board which would have made the game much different.

A 67 yarder? Same likelihood of success as a Hail Mary but with lesser potential benefit....

The Browns are what several teams in the NFL are. They are usually bad to mediocre. They occasionally make the playoffs. There has been nothing to lead us to believe that things are different than that. They are the Jets, Lions, Raiders, Texans. Yes, the Browns have some talent. Most, if not all, teams have some talent. The key is what they do with the talent along with how they add talent.

Give me a ray of hope then bb?

Define occasionally.

2002 and 2020. So it looks like we will make the playoffs again in 2038.

You are unreal. Completely. To say I'm not a Browns fan????? Pathetic.

No, better likelihood of success if you try the FG.

The penalties, though, they were killers. Field’s roughing them punter penalty changed the whole game. He has to be more aware. We played like a bunch of stupes today.

The call on 4th down at their 30 was stupid, especially since Brisset’s big weakness is deep throws. Once again, KS trying to get cute. I thought we should gave tried to run on 3rd and goal from the six late in the game. DPJ would have been OB even if he made that catch on 4th down.

I said last week we had to double- team Chase, but we didn't, so he did whatever he wanted. Our D overall wasn’t bad, the penalties hurt us more than anything.
Edit: oh, our OL was blown up today in the run game. Pocic was a big loss.

You drunk again?

After todays game I wish I was.

Watson looked better... team looked pathetic... 1st quarter 4th down call was idiotic... I don't mind going for it on 4th..... going for the TD made zero sense...

defense fell apart and couldn't contain the bengals... horrible penalties certainly helped Cincy... offense overall was pedestrian... had a few flashes but not much... our OL sucks....

The OL is allowing too much penetration up the middle, because Froholt needs help, due to his ill-suitedness to the C position.

yea man, our O line is definitely struggling. Chubb was getting hit in the backfield way too much.

I'm no KS apologist, but if you think they dump him before next year, I can't see it. I think he and DW get a pass this year, no matter what. And from the looks of things today, the FO, including ownership, is on the same page of letting us lose out if necessary to play Watson. And I can be okay with that without being happy about it. I hate wasted seasons. Some of the oldest posters on here don't have tons of seasons left to see an SB, and after all the years they've devoted to this team, they deserve more than what we've got this year. IMO the team was primed to go to the playoffs at minimum. And that feeling has only happened twice since the return for me, both during Mayfield's tenure, and both ended up being disappointing. This year and Baker's second season. I never thought DA would take us anywhere.

So I'll take the name-calling of "Fabulous Baker Boys," even if it feels like I was just insulted by a drag queen. I can just consider the source and the very small person behind it, so it means nothing. I like Baker, the person, and I don't care what anyone on here says because I have nothing to prove or anybody to impress around here, especially for DW Pimps. I've been keeping a relatively low profile when it comes to the DW/Baker dissing since DW was given 11 games. I try not to be too nasty about a guy I can't stand because others here are excited about him. Hell, I'm excited about him as well. There is no need to trash him, he'll be good or better for years once he gets back to form. And there's also no longer a reason to hate on Baker.

With all that, I realized there is one thing that might make Haslam fire KS this offseason, and that would be if Baker makes highlight reel plays, wins games, and turns it around for the rest of the season while we lose out. I could see Haslam losing it. Not Dee, just Jimmy. That would be too much for his ego.

Forgot about not even giving York a shot there at the end of the half. Outside of a block kicked return for a TD, I don’t really see the downside to trying? He’s touted for having such a strong leg and it was good conditions

I wish they would have let him kick, too, especially over a hail mary.

In the end that FG wasn't making a difference. Come on? Do you guys really think he was going to make it? He's struggled with extra points.

The blocked kick-six had to be in the back of their mind after having four kicks blocked already and knowing a low trajectory would be necessary on a 67 yard attempt.

Avoid a reason for a yakety sax moment when possible!

weren't we on the 50? that's what? a 65 yarder? He's long is 58 so far.. and he's 75% on field goals... we had a very slim shot at the Hail Mary... we had zero shot of Cade making a 60+ FG

Could have sworn I saw where he could kick 67-yard field goals because he did in practice or pregame warm-up one week. Of course, the odds would be low.

maybe... still think odds are better with a Hail Mary... ultimately didn't matter... defense couldn't stop anything today

The lineman gets half a step head start on the snap.

If that doesn't happen on the next play, it's holding... which a ref told Myles they weren't going to call.

I saw multiple times (again) where Myles was blatantly held. NFL officiating is what it is, but I felt like we got the short end of the stick again.

Along the same lines: I always get the feeling like Jerome Boger’s crew is really bad

Well the Offense scored a TD so I guess that's an improvement (sigh).. It's bad when you look for good and all you really find is bad.

Watson doesn't look like a $230 million QB.. Not yet at least. As it sits, this looks like a bad deal especially when you see Mayfield join the Rams and less than 48 hours later, he brings them back for a win against the Raiders.

I hate thinking this way, but I still hold out hope that Watson will get his act together. For me, he looked lost. He's not the only reason we lost, but he's a big part of it.

JC

Just take some deep breathes.

The playoffs were gone 4-5 games ago. It just hits now that it is pretty much official.

Other than making some changes on the coaching staff, D coordinator and possibly special teams, nothing is going to happen. At least outwardly. Some changes may be made in our internal approach.

Next year is the year of reckoning. A slow start dooms the coach. The GM probably follows with a lethargic season.

We are sort of stuck at GM. Until we get to where we get a 1st rounder after the next draft, we might be hindered in hiring a new GM until 2025.

It was putrid the way the refs taking over that game. They weren't favoring either team, but they were throwing a flag every other play. A LOT of ticky tack calls. And they looked so excited to do it, like they were competing against each other. It was almost nauseating.

I don't get the angst over not attempting a FG at the end of the half. It would have been a 68 yard attempt w/a kicker who has been anything other than reliable.

Our schedule next year as of right now:

Home: BAL, CIN, PIT, JAX, TEN, AZ, SF, NE, CHI
Away: BAL, CIN, PIT, IND, HOU, SEA, LAR, DEN