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Wasn't there a reported "cost of admission" to even get in the discussion? Didn't those four teams meet that threshold?

You say you care enough to respond to Vers and call him out. It reads as insecure, immature, and stalkerish. You follow him around incessantly and then try and convince everyone that you're not part of the problem. It's a message board. Why don't you ignore him.

That's sort of funny coming from you whose posted multiple times recently about loving to troll and get what you think is an emotional reaction to your posts. You do you, I'll do me.

My post references that Hou got the offers they were happy with / accepted. And it states that we don't know what they were... Which is what wsu said and got called a liar for.... a factual statement. If you actually know the specifics of what was offered and accepted feel free to shsre.

I do enjoy trolling guys like you. It's easy and fun and entertaining. Doesn't change anything I said.

You enjoy being a troll? Bit psychotic if you ask me.

Perhaps you should volunteer somewhere, or get a job.

I will consider volunteering but I'm not unretiring.

Confirmed by who/whom? The actual TEAM(s)? They are the only ones who really know and they haven't said squat...not that that matters to your agenda. In your agenda-driven world, articles that you agree with are gospel...articles you disagree with are lies or written by a hack or a Baker fan.

Watson had a no-trade clause...so signing him and the contract he demanded/received are every bit as relevant as the picks that were given up...and you also have no idea what kind of $$$ other teams offered. Not that details and context mean anything to you.
Everyone on this board "got over" Baker months ago...except for you. You prove it on a regular basis.

The articles were posted on here. They were on both NFL Network and ESPN shows. There were 5 teams that agreed to the Texans trade demands. They lie and then turn around and pretend I am the one lying.

And you are right, 888 stalks me daily. It's creepy as hell.

So, which teams? Just a quick search, I found 6 teams that INQUIRED. https://sportsnaut.com/deshaun-watson-trade-interested-nfl-teams/

But I can't find the 5 teams that AGREED to the texans trade demands. Maybe I'm not searching deep enough.

The 4 finalists and Indy. However, Houston said they would not trade w/Indy because they were in the same division.

Cool. Links?

Nope. I gave them to you the last time you asked. That was before the season. I'm enjoying our victory and am not doing yet another search. I've posted this information multiple times.

It's amazing that we have a small group of posters who are actually trying to challenge another poster so it throws shade on the Browns. And what a coincidence, they are all part of the Fabulous Baker Boys.

I've spoken my piece. I'll leave it to others on who to believe.

Btw----it warms my heart that you guys are upset tonight because we won.

I'm not certain I ever asked that before.

I'm throwing NO shade at the Browns.

I'm not a Baker boy, either.

Better buck up and back up your lies.

And as I stated in a different thread, I'm glad the Browns won today.

Odd, isn't it? Everything you posted is a fallacy.

Also, Baker isn't on the team. Not sure if you are aware of that seeing as how you constantly post about him.

Have another drink.

I thought you had already spoken your "piece". Guess not?

Can't help but take a lame shot though, can you? Speaks volumes about you, however.

As do all your posts.

I'll just copy my last post: I'm not certain I ever asked that before.

I'm throwing NO shade at the Browns.

I'm not a Baker boy, either.

Better buck up and back up your lies.

And as I stated in a different thread, I'm glad the Browns won today.

Odd, isn't it? Everything you posted is a fallacy.

Also, Baker isn't on the team. Not sure if you are aware of that seeing as how you constantly post about him.

Implying I'm a drunk is about as juvenile as one can be. Sad, man. Sad.

Browns Win!

Browns win? Who cares? Aren't we here to argue and prove our pints of view? The game results don't seem to matter.

But seriously, a winning NFL Sunday is always awesome.

You have to understand that for some fans, fandom is predicated on winning. If the team isn't winning, their level of fandom drops significantly.

Honestly that might be true for many fan bases. I am sure there are also fair weather Brown's fans. But to level that against a core base of fans who have followed this team through so many losing season's - I think it's a bit misplaced. I think having come closer to winning over the last 3 years maybe expectations are higher, maybe criticism is elevated? Maybe concern over players, coaches and FO is more intense because fans might believe we're wasting talent? I wouldn't equate criticism as fandom dropping.

I agree, but we see more that simple criticism. At least where I might draw the line. I suppose everybody has a somewhat different line, but I think most have a pretty good grasp of where those somewhat flexible parameters reside.

I guess I simply tune out the extreme opinions that I think are more like rants than real opinions, I mean there's an angry person ranting no-matter what we do right? Likewise do the same with posters trolling for a reaction. I know, I know - I should do that with the hypocritical, bullying and BS agenda posting that I keep commenting on too.

It's called frustration. It's a common human emotion. Next week the Brrowns will be fighting in a game to see who takes last place in the AFC North. Fans aren't happy about that and it's perfectly understandable. It isn't some nefarious and terrible thing. They've been through a lot and deserve a winner. Just because they're frustrated over losing doesn't mean "their level of fandom drops significantly". That's a false narrative.

So what you're trying to pass off as fact is that what they stated publicly that they wanted in a trade for watson was in fact what they demanded behind closed doors? That's like saying a used car salesman won't take anything less than the sticker price. I'm not trying to say you're wrong here. It's possible that you're right. It's also possible you're wrong.

I'm happy with the results of yesterday's game.

We won and he looked like the light switch turned on in the second half

I have already said that I posted this information on here before. This is from a different source, but it's basically saying the same thing. After all these years, you should know I just don't make up. You might detest me at this point, but I have never been a liar and in your heart, you know that is the truth. Here is an excerpt from a longer article.

That ^ proves nothing. You make up *** all the damn time. Your newest made-up line is stating that Browns fans are upset when the Browns WIN with Watson. THEN...state that those unhappy-about-a-win Browns fans (who don't exist in that manner) are just now unhappy because Baker is gone. That is so ridiculously stupid and yet another example of you spewing your alternate-universe-facts that everyone knows is BS.

Just because YOU wanted the Browns to lose with Baker at QB (and then disappeared during the happy-Browns-fan-times) doesn't mean others do now as you did then.

Which in no way states that the least they would take for him is three first round picks plus other picks. And that doesn't mean that I think you're a liar. It means I think that you are taking what they said publicly as what they were willing to take behind closed doors. Like I said before, as if a used car salesman won't take less than the sticker price. I don't believe those teams knew what offers the other teams made. I don't think they all offered the exact same compensation as a result of that. I do think there was a floor of what the Texans were willing to take. I don't think any good negotiator tells the truth in a public announcement if what they're actually willing to take. A good negotiator always asks for more than what they are actually willing to take. I agree with you that the Texans approved the trade compensation of those teams before watson could agree to a contract with any of them. I've also seen nothing to indicate that it was 3 1st round picks plus more. None of us know what the bottom threshold was that the Texans approved among those teams.

And I don't detest you. Some people just take message board back and forth far too seriously. I'm not one of those people.

Y'all are unreal. It proves nothing? LMAO

I'm glad you are so miserable because we won.

Let me know what specific draft picks and compensation was agreed by each team ... I guess with your obsession you will need to find cast iron links. That will "prove" what compensation was agreed. Without that - no-one knows. Example (from memory) - it was reported HOU wanted 3 first round picks. But the Browns gave up 3 first round picks, a 3rd rounder and 2 fourth rounders.... Did others offer as much? More? Did some offer multiple first rounders this year meaning less needed on the back end? Did some of the teams offer back end loaded deals that HOU accepted? .... Maybe you know and can share, because the rest of us don't know. Which is the original statement you are still railing against.

Do you have any evidence that Houston was demanding 3 1st round picks plus even more draft picks for watson other than some public statement indicating it? Do you know what the minimum offer Houston approved among those teams they approved? That's really the only sticking point here. No need to act as though others are acting in bad faith or trying to insult you.

How about you guys show some links that say the Browns were the only team to agree to Houston's demands?

I'm done w/it. The rest of the board will decide on who is telling the truth and who is trying to start a fight.

Yet it wasn't us claiming to know what Houston's demands were and what the offers they approved were. I would be done with it too if I were you.

Refusing to address credible points by you is not an indication other people want to fight. You've used that BS for a long time now when you wish to dodge an actual discussion you want to avoid.

Between the two of us...only one disappeared while things were rolling.

j/c:

Hmmmm.......


Nick Caserio: There were “a few more” teams interested in Deshaun Watson
Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2022, 5:18 PM EDT


Four teams ultimately jockeyed for position to secure the services of Deshaun Watson: Panthers, Saints, Falcons, and Browns. More than four were interested.

The field was cut to four based in large part on teams failing to meet Houston’s threshold trade expectations.


“I would say there was a fair amount of teams, but what we tried to do was bring the teams that had a legitimate interest, and that was based off the compensation that was presented,” Texans G.M. Nick Caserio told reporters on Saturday. “Going back to the earlier questions, I think there was a certain threshold that I had established in order to make it a legitimate discussion, and if we got to that point then we could engage further. I don’t want to get into the exact number, but there was a few more, however many teams than what everybody was reporting towards the end.”

The Colts reportedly inquired, but they had the door slammed in their faces by their division rivals. The real question is which other teams made a trade offer that was deemed too low to secure permission from the Texans to meet with Watson?

That was indeed a genius move by Caserio, the smartest thing the Texans have done in several years. If they had (as I thought they would) allowed Watson to meet with teams and then create a list of those for which he’d waive his no-trade clause, Watson possibly would have decided to waive his no-trade clause for only one team. That would have destroyed Houston’s leverage when the time came to talk trade.

By pre-qualifying teams to trade for Watson by requiring acceptable trade terms to be tendered, the Texans ensured that they would get what they wanted for Watson before letting Watson decide what he wanted.

The fact that a few more teams tried is intriguing, since perhaps one or more were considering swooping in with an offer the Texans would have taken in order to make a last-ditch run at Watson.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...more-teams-interested-in-deshaun-watson/

Let me guess..........."this proves nothing." LOL

Well it 100% doesn't tell us what any team offered for Watson. As has been mentioned multiple times - we know what the Browns offered. We don't know what anyone else offered. From your post, I guess you are verifying this?

I get confused... this ongoing 'debate' has had so many angles.

What does this prove, other than the fact that Deshaun is an elite QB and most NFL teams would love to have one?

Yeah. I’ve moved on from Baker, from 2021, the trade for DW, the draft picks we gave up, et cetera.

The draft picks - we just have to deal with that hobbling, and by that mean we have to dig harder into the WR and DL prospects in the next draft.

I’m glad we have DW, he’s an elite, Super Bowl-winning type of QB.

Sorry eotab, I forgot to acknowledge your post. I hope you’re on the mend, I always like your contributions .