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The Browns could also lean on him to HC the team should Stefanski get fired mid-season next year.

Flores, Meyo, Schwartz would all be nice IMO

J/C

If a team is hiring an assistant to be on staff in case the head coach gets fired the following year, then fire the damn head coach immediately. He's clearly not your guy.

It's tongue in cheek!

An added bonus, no-less though.

Stefanski won't be fired at any point during the 2023-2024 season, imo.

As far as the DC replacement, I don't think we will necessarily go with a "big" name - definitely not someone that Berry and Depo envision being capable of taking over as HC should things go awry next season.

Maybe someone that hasn't been discussed too much among fans yet.

To add: JOK could prosper under the correct choice.

Updated list...

The two latest additions to the DC list include Sean Desai who was DC in Chicago in 2021 and is now with Seattle runs the 3-4 base too just like Flores and Mayo. Jim Swartz is working with a 3-4 base now in Tennessee but out of the four candidates - the only one with a lot of experience running the 4-3 base.

Just clicking here,, but what about Lovie Smith?

As previously discussed on the other thread, Mayo and Flores are 3-4 guys.

Schwartz runs a 4-3 and uses the Wide-9 for his DEs.

Desai's defensive scheme seems similar to Woods in that he deploys 2 LBers and 3 Safeties quite often, but I think he ran a base 3-4. That seems contradictory. I do think his intelligence and personality is more aligned w/our FO and HC.

I'm with whoever it was that said hold the Mayo. I'm tired of experiments where the Browns elevate someone to a job they have never come close to having before. The whole "let's see if they can do it" for the first time has gotten old. And I know some will say that's the way to find good coaches. And that's fine and all. But let's face it, with the group of talent this team has now and with watson under contract for the next four years, the time for experiments and "developing" a DC isn't what this FO should be doing right now. This team has invested 230 million dollars in a QB. That's not the time for an unproven commodity to be put in charge of the O or the D. The Browns under the current situation have a four year window of opportunity. They have to make that count before this whole thing gets blown up again. And with the deal they gave watson, they put their entire career here and moving forward on the line.

Check out the list of names and time served of our DCs since our return. Each one was regarded as a large upgrade over his predecessor. LOL


Cleveland Browns defensive coordinator history

Joe Woods
Woods is the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns since the 2020 season, a total of three years. The team made it to the playoffs one time (2020) and had a 1-1 record under Coach Woods in playoff games.

Steve Wilks
Wilks was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 2019 season.

Gregg Williams
Williams was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 2017-2018 seasons, a total of two years.

Louie Cioffi
Cioffi was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 2016 season. Cioffi's record as the team's defensive coordinator was 1-15-0, making him the least successful defensive coordinator in Cleveland Browns history.

Jim O'Neil
O'Neil was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 2014-2015 seasons, a total of two years.

Ray Horton
Horton was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 2013 season.

Dick Jauron
Jauron was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 2011-2012 seasons, a total of two years.

Rob Ryan
Ryan was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 2009-2010 seasons, a total of two years.

Mel Tucker
Tucker was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 2008 season.

Todd Grantham
Grantham was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 2005-2007 seasons, a total of three years.

Dave Campo
Campo was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 2003-2004 seasons, a total of two years.

Foge Fazio
Fazio was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 2001-2002 seasons, a total of two years. The team made it to the playoffs one time (2002) and had a 0-1 record under Coach Fazio in playoff games.

Romeo Crennel
Crennel was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 2000 season. Crennel's record as the team's defensive coordinator was 3-13-0, making him the third-least successful defensive coordinator in Cleveland Browns history.

Bob Slowik
Slowik was the defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in the 1999 season. Slowik's record as the team's defensive coordinator was 2-14-0, making him the second-least successful defensive coordinator in Cleveland Browns history.


https://pro-football-history.com/franchpos/32/8/cleveland-browns-defensive-coordinator-history

Yes Siree Bob, changing coaches always works.

As is often the case, when a HC is fired so is the rest of his coaching staff. So I'll ask again, name one Browns HC since the teams return who was fired here that went on to be a successful HC for any other NFL team? Thanks in advance.

j/c:

I think it just Browns fans hope more than anything. Selling hope is about the only thing the Browns have been good at since '99. Come the new season it'll be time to belly up to the bar for another round of hope.

Averaging a new DC every 1.5 years is pretty impressive! The Pumpkin and Woods get feathers in their cap for lasting the longest.

LOL......exactly.

I really like Schwartz. I think we have the pieces to make his defense go. Just need to add some monsters on the Dline

Flores or Schwartz would be the two at the top of my list, easily. I don't know much about too many of the candidates - but I like what Flores did in Miami and I don't care that he called out the owner who paid him to tank.... I like Schwartz. And I like DC's (and OC's) who have had stints at HC roles.

Agreed. Either one would be a good choice. That's one thing we have as Browns fans; plenty to talk about even if it's mostly negative....

Right now, I am hoping Flores is the choice. He's a tough guy. Very military oriented in his approach. No nonsense. I think he will shut up the defenders who point fingers rather than thumbs. I think Stefanski can turn the D over to him. Yes, they will consult, but the D will be Flores'. Just like guys like Andy Reed, Shanny, McVay, Payton, etc.

Of course, they never pick who I want, so I probably put the kiss of death on him.

It's time to bring Wink back to Ohio

I agree. We need someone tough running the D for the reasons you mentioned. Then KS won't have to worry about the D and can concentrate on bringing DW up to speed with whatever O we plan to run. Speaking of that we should be able to have a more wide-open O with DW. Maybe some new longer pass plays (as long as we can get another WR or 2 with speed)

Have the same thoughts... I like Flores and Schwartz out of that list...

Hold the Mayo and throw the sandwich on the Flores.

In keeping theme... May the Schwartz be with us.

Good article that illustartes Schwartz's fingerprints on the Titans defense.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/11/16/23461620/tennessee-titans-playoff-push-afc-south-defense

Not sure how the defense as a whole would do, but I think Garrett would thrive in a the wide 9 that Schwartz seems to like to run.

I think it would be a good fit for Delpit as well.

Yeah guys, nice stealing my ‘hold the mayo’ line, which I stole from Airplane. 😃
We don’t have a lot of 3-4 fits, we need to spend some up-level money on a stud DT, perhaps two. I’d throw money at Schwartz.

Wasn’t Schwartz known for the wide 9 in Philly? Is that what he typically does?

Only person I want in the list that we are considering is Schwartz.. the rest haven't done anything on their own

It would not surprise me if Jim Leonhard is hired to be the Special Teams Coordinator.

Personally I like Flores, but our personnel on defense seems a better fit for Schwartz.

I have always liked Schwartz. Probably because he was with the Titans for a number of years so I am more familiar with him. His D would be an easier transition than that of the 3-4 guys....assuming the 3-4 guys continue to be 3-4 guys. Nothing says they can't or wouldn't adjust their scheme to the players on this team.

Just because they haven't run 4-3 type D's doesn't mean they can't.

I like Leonard. I wouldn't rule him out for DC. I don't buy in to him not being an NFL coach before. That said, ST coordinator is an interesting thought.

That's an interesting thought. He's an extremely intelligent coach that would help us and we would provide him the valuable experience of coaching in the NFL so he could get a DC gig later on.

Flores or Schwartz. Either or and I will be very happy

Just a question. Does a new DC ever adapt his preferred scheme (3-4 to a 4-3 or vice versa) when he’s hired? Surely a good D coach can play it either way.

There's a lot to unpack with the first suitor in the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes. That team was the Miami Dolphins and their coach happened to be Brian Flores...

The cliff notes go like this:

Flores wanted to draft Justin Herbert, they drafted Tua instead.

Flores didn't really like Tua. I don't know if they were simply oil and water or which one had the bigger attitude problem.

Flores actually benched Tua in favor of Brissett. When Brissett got injured, he had no choice but to play him.

Flores really wanted Watson and even told Tua they were looking to trade for him.

Watson really wanted to play for Flores, and was one of the main reasons he was waiving his "no trade" to try to work out a deal.


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Was Miami Dolphins Brian Flores pitching a fit over Deshaun Watson?
by Brian Miller12 months ago Follow @Txmedic5

The Miami Dolphins surprisingly fired Brian Flores on Monday and the trickle effect is still coming to light four days later. So what’s the latest?

As the Dolphins begin searching for a head coach that even they may not have believed was going to happen this year, rumors have continued to percolate around the NFL with more and more information coming out.

We have heard the whole, “communication and relationship” versions of the Dolphins side of things and have yet to hear much from the Flores side of things, in fact, we have heard nothing but one thing, based on a new report, has me wondering if this entire mess wasn’t the culmination of Miami’s failed attempt to get Deshaun Watson?

We will dive into that in a quick second but to rehash, numerous reports have indicated that Flores didn’t like Tua Tagovailoa. Here are a few of the comments that have been reported.

✨ Tua and Flores had words and “eff” bombs at halftime of the Titans game.
✨ A report said that Flores told the young QB that he should have drafted Mac Jones this year to replace him.
✨ A report said that Flores would bench Tua and run a Brissett play if Tua didn’t do exactly what he told him to.
✨ Flores refused to endorse Tua during the Watson trade talks and then left the entire saga on the shoulders of Grier never commenting on the situation after.

Now, another report from an ESPN radio segment may shed even more light on all of this. According to this, you can watch below, Flores’ communication with the team wasn’t just with Grier but also with his assistants. Per the report, Flores stopped daily meetings and it makes you question what the game plans were like, especially on offense. According to this report, it started around November.


This brings us back to the topic at hand. Was his attitude change a result of being saddled with Tua and the Dolphins passing on Watson?

The trade deadline was early November and if this began to fester around Thanksgiving, it would tie into the entire situation with Watson.

After Flores was fired it has been widely reported that Flores was all in on Justin Herbert over Tua Tagovailoa and when that didn’t happen we saw a lot of changes in Miami. If we go back to last year, Flores was very quick to pull Tagovailoa in favor of Ryan Fitzpatrick. There has not been a time that Flores hasn’t pulled Tua to run a Jacoby Brisett short yardage play despite the fact that Tua is much faster.

Back to the 2021 season, the timeline suggests that Flores’ attitude change around Thanksgiving. That would align with the reports that Flores benched an otherwise healthy Tagovailoa against the Ravens. After Brisett went down with injury, he had no choice but to play Tua.

With the internal drama of Deshaun Watson in the rearview mirror the Dolphins went on a seven game winning streak and climbed back into the playoff race. That ended in Tennessee but the writing may have been on the wall long before that.

One of the biggest questions asked after that loss to the Titans that eliminated Miami was made to Mike Gesicki. Gesicki was asked if the Dolphins had a game plan for bad weather. Miami was coming off a short week after a Monday night win over the Saints. Gesicki simply said, “no”.

That raised a lot of eyebrows in social media and some mainstream media circles. Tua had one of his worst games as a pro and the Dolphins were heading home for good. This is the game that Tua and Flores exchanged words, Tua dropped the “eff” bomb and told Flores “you can’t talk to people that way”.

It may seem that wheels fell off after that loss but now, it seems as though the wheels were coming off long before and started shortly after the Dolphins failed to get Watson in Miami.

Was Flores so enamored with being right about his quarterback that he would basically sabotage his own football team by not talking with his assistants? Degrading his QB in front of others so much so that a player on the team, during a game whispered to Tua that it wasn’t him, “it’s the coaches”?

We will never know what might have changed or remained the same had Watson joined the Dolphins. The relationship strain between Flores and Grier may have started to boil over after the trade deadline as a result but it likely began to fester when Tagovailoa was drafted, something many believe was a request by Stephen Ross that Grier adhered to.

Regardless, it is over now and while things may still come out as this process moves along, the picture being painted by many outside of the Dolphins organization isn’t a pretty one and the parting of ways was almost destined long before Black Monday.

This was embedded in the article:




https://phinphanatic.com/2022/01/14...phins-coaching-search-doesnt-make-sense/

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