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Or the students were just dumb. That's the message I got.

I didn't expect you to understand it. Same as most times. Students that did poorly in other classes still did good in math classes one of my teachers taught. Because he knew how to communicate the lessons being taught. Hopefully that helps simplify things for you.

I'm glad you understand that.

At least I admitted my gaffe. You? Not so much.

jc:

Pit...sometimes I'm just not in the mood to argue and nit-pick...especially when there is not a disagreement.

Another fail.

I think Staley is the worst HC in the entire league, but he did have success as a DC for the one year he held the job. That is what made him [and being part of the McVay tree] a HC candidate in the first place. On the other hand, I didn't like how he was blaming his players after the game last night and took no accountability at all.

You absolutely crack me up. First, to call Staley "the worst HC coach in the NFL, by far" when his record the last 2-years puts Stefanski's record those same 2 years to shame is out and out comical. Secondly, with Staley, you always refer to him being responsible because he's the HC but with Stefanski it is the defense's fault, and they have to get rid of Woods. Though I will agree that the Chargers defense for the year was like watching the Browns defense - they did make the playoffs while our Browns are sitting their azzes at home for the 19th time in 20 years. I don't know if the Chargers ownership will move on from Staley or not (their decision) but IMHO, it's quite hypocritical to be throwing stones at another team after the two years our Browns have just had - it's a very thin glass house at best.

Finally, the opinion, "but he did have success as a DC for the one year he held the job. That is what made him [and being part of the McVay tree] a HC candidate in the first place." How many years did you say Stefanski had experience in as an OC? Who has the better team record the two years they have both been HC's? I'm just wondering, if Staley is the worst HC in the NFL, by far yet he's posted a better record than Stefanski with a playoff appearance over the last 2 years as HC, what is the adjective you have for Stefanski?

Staley would make sense for our FO. Not sure he has the personality we need IMO. We need a more hard nosed guy to be a complement to KS

Teflon.

I thought this was a Defensive Coordinator Candidate thread?

I don't know. After listening to his milquetoast comments he might fit right in.

In name? I haven't seen anything that indicates he has much if any input to the defensive side. So in a practical sense he is the OC but his title is HC. I don't hate him and haven't ask that he be fired or anything. But the situation is what it is. But hey, he does have the title of HC and gets paid to be that so he is the HC. I mean they have him listed as the HC on the Cleveland Browns web site, right?

Just my 2 cents - I'm not reading hate for Stefanski, I am seeing a poster question how one HC (Staley) is castigated in comparison to one HC (KS) who is venerated. Yet if you compare records, accomplishments and how each team has performed under each coach the facts don't support those completely contrary opinions of each HC.

And they hijack yet another thread. More and more people are on to you guys. Trust me on that one.

Are you and your cronies having group PM's now? How would you know what "more and more people are onto "otherwise? What's next, are you guys going to start a bridge club, have a quilting bee?

Are you actually trying to make a comparison between Stefanski and Belichick? As I've pointed out before, that's reaching back almost 30 years to try and make a comparison. With 32 team in the NFL and almost 30 seasons between the two, that's a pretty easy thing to do. In your comparison you must have forgotten to mention one large difference. Bellichick's season record didn't get worse every year he coached in his first three years.

Let's be candid here. MemphisBrownie posted a tweet stating an opinion that if LA fires Staley, he should leapfrog to the top of the DC list for the Browns. That post is perfectly in line with the thread "Browns DC Candidates." You then HIJACKED the thread by stating the opinion that Staley is the "worst HC in the NFL, by far." I responded to your off the cuff opinion that had nothing to do with the thread by pointing out the facts that clearly show that your opinion is lacking validity. You now in turn are attacking multiple forum posters for engaging in a topic you created "all by yourself" and now showing how hypocritical you are by claiming other people hijacked a post when the guilty party has been you - as it is on almost every thread.

Just because you don't like him doesn't make him unqualified to be the Browns DC if released by LA. I mean after all; the fact is he's been a better HC than the one we have in Cleveland over the last two years. The NFL is still about wins and losses - that hasn't changed in 102 years.

When he doesn't like the comments he makes it personal. Then he blames everyone else for being a bully. It's his M.O.

I mean if your point is that mediocrity is better than misery I would agree. Once again, I've never said I don't like him or want him fired. It's just that some look at things from a more realistic standpoint and some have more of a blind loyalty always searching for any positive needle in the haystack they can find and dismissing everything else.

Not that there's anything wrong with either. That doesn't mean those two points of view have to be enemies or either side loves or hates the Browns any more or less. That's just something we, or others try to convince ourselves of.

I certainly don't begrudge you looking at everything in a positive light. Backing the team and or the coach doesn't mean I have to like or agree with everything they do. It doesn't mean you're somehow a better fan of the team than those who question them. I would hope that you consider that not everyone is going to blindly back every move, player or coach on this team. That even those who don't want a HC fired, such as myself, aren't going to blindly sit here and yell "Rah, rah, rah!" about everything. And that doesn't make anyone here enemies, or at least it shouldn't. There's nothing wrong with a little critical thinking.

Also, if we had a more capable DC our record for the last 2 years would have been better. Probably winning seasons instead of losing ones. I know some will blame KS for that but it is the truth. We have been that close. JMO

Who hires and is responsible for the coaching staff which serves under the HC? The reason I'm asking is because it appears people seem to think that the hirings or firings of the coaching staff, overseeing the coaching staff and being the boss of the coaching staff isn't the responsibility of the HC. At least that is the impression I get from some posts on here including the one you just made.

Pit, I'm sure KS had a lot to do with Joe Woods hiring. However, he's not the one who called the D plays or didn't make the needed in game adjustments. That's on Woods and those factors along with the slow starts by the D in the last 2 years probably cost us a playoff spot and winning records.

You do realize that Stefanski could have fired him after last season, right? I guess my point is if you have a foreman at work that keeps screwing everything up, isn't it the job of his boss to correct that? Or do you absolve his boss of keeping that foreman on the job and blaming that foreman for continuing to screw up?

Yes of course. Maybe KS didn't fire him at the end of last season because the D straightened out and was playing better by then. KS gave him this season based on that but when the exact same thing happened again it was felt a change had to be made and was.

So you don't feel that 8-9 and 7-10 is the very definition of mediocrity? And you don't think the losing ways before Stefanski got here was misery? I'm not sure that going from a playoff team his first year and working his way down to a 7-10 record in his third year is making the point you think it is. But to each their own.

Can we stop with the idea that K S could have hired or fired anybody, or that anybody could have hired or fired anybody last season that wasn't the Haslams
It seems nobody has been hired or fired, on that level, except by the Haslams, since they bought the team, and that was way back, way way back when ...

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Google, and the Browns defensive coordinator news makes me ask
Heck half these guys are already D. Coordinators or better, how are they going to make a lateral move, or do we expect they'll get fired and then come to Cleveland,
or Are they going to get a big money contract to come to Cleveland, but, ... found these 4 names.

Dennard Wilson
Sean Desai, <<<<>>>> hey, hire both of those << the Browns need all the help they can get, one can coach special teams.
Schwartz
and Flores

and the latter 2, It doesn't read like they'd go to the Browns except as a demotion or not getting what they were trying for.
Joe Woods... wasn't broken.

j/c...

Lots of people seem to like this guy....

Only posting the non-fluff from this article. Click the link if you's like to see the whole thing


As I have throughout the process, here is what I am hearing about the Browns search:

Nothing surprised Cleveland in their interviews so far:

The team was aware that Brian Flores could have head coaching interviews that could delay him being available if they chose him

Jim Schwartz is not currently being pursued by other teams, gives the team some time with that candidate

The newest addition to the process, Dennard Wilson, is someone they would like to add to the staff with a new DC, if able to, but is a real candidate for the top spot as well

They, like other teams, thought it would be tough to get Jerod Mayo out of New England but were excited about getting the chance to meet with him

As Allbright mentioned, Staley would be high on their candidate list but waiting for the Chargers to make a decision might be difficult

If Cleveland adds another candidate (outside of Staley), it may be in part to extend the process while Flores’ head coaching interview(s) take place

We do not have any information on when Arizona will be interviewing Flores but a former player of his, Adrian Wilson, is in a position of authority there so he’s a real candidate

All of the pieces are now in place with a new one (Staley) possibly becoming available very soon. Hopefully, the Browns and their fans will know who will be running the defensive side of the ball very soon.




https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/...s-jim-schwartz-brandon-staley-sean-desai

He has already said he isn't a fan of the team any longer and is here to troll the board.

Thanks for the information.

I wonder if Arizona is serious about hiring Flores or if it's more for PR?

It's a bit concerning that apparently other teams are not interested in Schwartz.

I kinda expect for Staley to get the axe early this week. Not sure how I feel about him as a DC.

The Wilson situation is interesting. During the season, I checked out the resumes of our defensive coaching staff. Not very impressive. I'm assuming we will make other changes once the DC is hired.