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Lamar?

Not always.

Or Huntley takes the next step and still gets 2nd or 3rd place every year.

This might have something to do with Lamar

Can't say I am surprised.

j/c:

I have to think Lamar stays in Baltimore when it is all said and done. The Browns threw a winkle in the contract negations with a dude whose mom is his agent. If there was any time Jackson needs to get an agent, that was the time.

And I hope they keep Lamar....we gotta make JOK worth the draft pick!

This.

I don't care what you do for a living, turning down 133 million guaranteed is a fools move. He may never get another offer that good. But I do have to say, "Mission accomplished, Andrew Berry!" At least a portion of the mission.

Yep, it's presented a challenge to all of the other 31 NFL teams. Teams who knew a fully 200+ mil. guaranteed contract was foolish.

So the Browns will have only overpaid him for three fifths of the duration of his contract?

No use fussing about the money, picks, or player for that matter; nothing will change for at least the next four/five years.

Yep, that's the only way to look at it to try and overlook that it was one fifth of his contract and that now there's only four years left. To the best of my memory that was is the most expensive Mulligan the NFL has ever seen.

Tell me again why the Browns should care about the Ravens and Lamar's contract? Then in a couple years why they should care about the Bengals and Burrow? It is not the Browns job to stay in line with other franchises. Do what is best for your team and not worry about others.

You named 2 out of the other 31 teams. It seems you and others support paying a contract with guarantees far more than any other contract in the NFL even among the QB's and maintain that's what was "the best for the Browns". No other organization in the NFL has done this. In your minds somehow this FO is smarter than all the other 31 NFL FO's. This was their third season. They didn't even sniff the playoffs and the browns finished last place in the AFC North. The evidence isn't pointing in a favorable direction in your claim this FO is or has been doing what's best for the Browns. The jury is still out on that one and they took a huge gamble.

But if you can convince yourself that the Browns have the smartest FO in the NFL, more power to you. Whatever works I guess.

Yep, that's exactly what he said.

Pretty much. Thanks for noticing.

Yes, the Watson move is a gamble. But I like this gamble better than all of these...

The potential for success is certainly higher.

I have no idea why Baker has to be brought up time after time. If by lots, you mean hand full of teams that's true as it pertains to trying to acquire watson. And you said it yourself that it was "The Browns offer". Did you even bother to read my response to Fate just above your post? I stated plainly that watson gave the Browns the potential for a higher probability for success than any other QB since the team returned. But what you posted about "the Browns offer" is the entire point some take issue with. It is totally unprecedented in league history. Never has such a contract been fully guaranteed.

An opportunity is based on whether it pays off or not. If it doesn't that opportunity is nothing more than sunk cost and will have turned out not to have been an opportunity at all. That remains to be seen. I'm simply saying that contract in and of itself totally changed the landscape in the NFL as it pertains to QB contracts. It appears to be nothing less than a desperation move after watson had already spurned the Browns and written them off his list.

People who are in this current FO as well as those who have preceded it have shown the total lack of ability in drafting a QB even if you give them the #1 pick much lest a mid first pick. So we certainly agree there.

The only real disagreement here is that contract. And if watson pays off the way you and others have yourselves convinced of it may end up being a good deal. But there's a big difference in an opportunity and a big gamble. As of now the jury is far from in on how that will all unfold.

I can help w/that. While it was not apparent to a small group of DawgTalkers, the rest of the NFL world recognized that he sucked and didn't want anything to do w/him. It was clearly evident to the Browns that they significantly upgrade the QB position to compete w/other AFC teams who had young, outstanding QBs. It's not rocket science.

Considering Baltimore offered south of Murray money my money is on Lamar walking.
The players union probably wants him guaranteed money north of leshaun sense he has achieved more.

I think that Baltimore is looking at Huntley and saying, let's just roll with him and save some dough. That Baltimore FO/Lamar relationship is starting to look dead to me.

I don't think they are going to roll with Huntley. They practically threw him under the bus for their loss to the Bengals. I do agree he was the reason they lost but if he was the QB they plan to move forward with they would have protected him some in the media.

You are correct that it's not rocket science. Anyone can see your incessant need to attack Baker at every turn. Don't pretend to blame Baker for the FO being so desperate they felt some need to offer another player a kings ransom after he told them he wasn't coming here. You sound like you're already making excuses for how you will blame Baker if this entire thing blows up in the face of this FO. And I would expect no less from you.

As usual, you get personal instead of dealing w/what I said. Take a freaking hike.

Typical way of avoiding what was posted by turning it on the one who posted it. Any time someone makes any point you disagree with that's the way you handle it. Avoid the points and blame the people who point them out instead. I pointed out the obvious and you try to twist it into being a personal attack. Hilarious.

You asked a question about not having any idea why Baker is brought up all the time.

I answered it honestly. It was evident to all but a few of you that the Browns needed a new qb. The league also agreed w/the Browns take that Baker is not the guy.

Don't ask a question if you don't want a truthful answer. You making this about me does not change the facts.

Ah, I see. You wish to rewrite what it is you actually said. You didn't say the Browns needed a new QB. That would be easy for anyone to agree with. At least almost anyone. As per usual, the one who acts like it's others who make things personal was the very one who did that here.


That's what you do all of the time. Then try to act like it wasn't you who made what could have been something civil into something nasty. But you keep doing you while you deny it.

You, you, you.