DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus FBI Raid pt. 2

"If I were to remain silent, I'd be guilty of complicity." - Albert Einstein

1. I'm not outraged. I actually really don't care. Just entertaining to watch the $%^show and excuses.

2. YOU are the martyr-mode-victim every time something is posted about Biden... "Where were you when Trump blah, blah, blah?? Broken record x 559

Actually this entire thread was posted about the raid on trump. And of course you still haven't addressed "Where were you then?" Instead you try to blame me for asking the obvious. I've never played the martyr because I don't allow you and some of your cronies to make me a victim. that power you will always be denied. And you have failed at it yet again.

There have also been no excuses made for Biden by me. I've said from the very beginning that it should be investigated and let the facts take the investigation wherever it leads.

I have pointed out the differences between the two cases which you wish to label excuses because you refuse to admit some of the obvious differences.

And as anyone can plainly see, you still refuse to address any points that have been made but rather try to undermine the person asking those questions. You somehow think people can't see that.

Waiting for the stupid meme now……..

I'm also only here for the ships and giggles....and I lucked into another episode of Pitt and the Whatabouts!

this is a typical comment from Trumpians that lost an argument.

Typical lib TDR. Anyone that doesn't take the left side of every argument is a Trumpian. I can't stand the guy, he's an arrogant lying criminal. He needs to fry for the classified documents too. But I don't blame him for every negative thing that comes down the pike like you do.

Just saying..better that the president thinking Corn Pop did it....lol

j/c:

Just a general comment regarding all of these issue with Hillary, Trump, and Biden. I have a very good friend who works as a Security Director in "Intelligence". I won't get any more specifics on exactly where but he is knee deep/hands-on investigating these matters at the moment, both with Trump and Biden. Anyways, the question was brought to him on whether or not this more commonplace than we realize and the media is blowing these issues way out of proportion based on their outlet's particular political leanings. His response was broad and not too detailed for obvious reasons. Paraphrasing:

It is not common whatsoever and the behavior should never become commonplace. What we are seeing is nongovernmental individuals ascend to the upper echelon of political power w/o a strong background in government. As a result, there is a general lack of awareness to what this all means and we're seeing a lot of these political newbies being tapped into important roles in government on both sides of the aisle. So, essentially, there is no education for these people, and thus, no appreciation for regulations and rules with such sensitive information.

The bigger issue here is that of Biden who has been a career politician and this is happening. With Trump, it seems more likely this would happen although not excusable, but him being an outsider/uneducated compared to Biden's career in government is concerning from an investigation point of view.

FWIW.

First of all, let's get something straight.. there is no official thing called TDS. It's made up by people like you.

For someone that doesn't like Trump, you sure defend him as lot

Trump and his kind ARE responsible for quite a bit of the unrest in America today. As a for instance, did he start the Proud Boys,, NO... But he made the legit. Did he start the Oath Keepers, NO but he made the legit. You see where I'm going!

trump made racism fashionable in the republican party.

When all you have it this kind of weak BS why do you even bother? I know you don't like it when someone actually brings facts to the table that shows the difference between the two cases, but this is elemntary school level material at best. Surely you can do better than that.

It's just some lame azz thing made up to make it seem like it's you that has a problem when you bring up all of the myriad of things trump has done and said. You know, since you can't defend trump, blame those pointing out what he's done. It's not very creative.


That's the way it works in many cases. They claim they don't support him but are quick to dismiss what he's done, ignore what he's done, make excuse for what he's done or blame others for pointing out what he's done.


Oh they see it, it's just that they blame you for saying it.

I see the blame far from that. I guess it just depends on your point of view. (shrug)

I had no idea that appearing to wear blinders the way some on this board have conducted themselves for years now in regards to trump was considered a POV. I guess you learn something new every day if you try.

Sing along with The Whatabouts everyone!




What about Trump......Trump Trump Trump Trump

Lame and predictable. Lack of imagination. Blind follower and still blaming everyone else for your refusal to act like anything other than a blind trumpian I see. At one time I felt you were more than a mindless mockingbird that did nothing but repeat the ignorant drivel of others. You have taught me better than that. A meme from someone else and a line repeated a million times is all you have? How far the mighty have fallen.

Classified documents found at trump’s former vice president’s home in Indiana in unsecured location……wait for the crickets on this one.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vi...overed-classified-documents-indiana-home

Documents found in Pence's home.

https://apnews.com/article/mike-pence-classified-documents-791bba57abaf50377f0938f0d293f36e

Derp.

‘Decisions are imminent’ on charges in Trump’s effort to overturn 2020 election in Georgia, Fulton County DA says

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis suggested Tuesday that the special grand jury investigating Donald Trump and his allies’ efforts to upend the 2020 election in Georgia has recommended multiple indictments and said that her decision on whether to bring charges is “imminent.”

A hearing is underway in an Atlanta courtroom on whether to publicly release the special grand jury report. Willis opposes the release, citing her ongoing deliberations on charges.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/politics/fulton-county-trump-grand-jury-hearing/index.html

You keep bringing up "the facts" and how these two cases are so different.

Here's a few you keep ignoring:

Biden was not the president; there is always more leeway given to the president, especially since he can declassify.

They are now finding documents taken during Biden's senate days. It's starting to look like he was a serial-secret-document-hoarder. He's obviously a repeat offender of the likes we've never seen in Washington.

It's not okay because he decided to give them back.

Law stipulates that when they are taken, for any reason, they have to be under the highest of security... Trump's were at Mar-a-lago (guarded by the Secret Service); Biden's were scattered all over the place, the bulk of them being guarded by his garage-door-opener.


"Elementary"? There are a lot of facts on both sides. Neither party is without blame and should be punished; but your idea that one is perfectly acceptable and the other is pure evil is pretty silly.

Hang Mike Pence.

Wow. That story is just rife with inconsistency...


Pence’s lawyer said in his letter that the former vice president “was unaware of the existence of sensitive or classified documents at his personal residence” and “understands the high importance of protecting sensitive and classified information and stands ready and willing to cooperate fully with the National Archives and any appropriate inquiry.”

“Before we left the White House, the attorneys on my staff went through all the documents at both the White House and our offices there and at the vice president’s residence to ensure that any documents that needed to be turned over to the National Archives, including classified documents, were turned over. So we went through a very careful process in that regard,” Pence said.

He said that Pence “engaged outside counsel, with experience in handling classified documents, to review records stored in his personal home after it became public that documents with classified markings were found in President Joe Biden’s Wilmington residence.


Sooo... you didn't know you had any. How could you, really, when attorneys carefully went through all documents before you left office to make sure there was no sensitive data?

Yet... as soon you found out Bien got busted, you immediately "engaged outside counsel, with experience in handling classified documents" just to check and make sure.

And lo and behold! 🤣

Yet as a former president is leaving he is no longer president. I understand what you're saying and if you think that applies to former presidents we simply disagree. While somone is president you are correct. Once they are no longer president?


Other than the fact that when one has well over 300 documents and the other has far less than 50 documents and you describe the one with less than 50 as the hoarder between the two, we agree.


It's most certainly not. Just a stark contrast between the two.


I don't think the amount of documents found in his garage are something that can be described as "bulk", but okay. And as far as I know the secret service was never in charge of the security of secret documents at Mia Largo. They were far too busy trying to protect trump at a resort where hundreds of people were walking around at any point in time. You know, within proximity to over 300 documents he was illegally and purposefully withholding at Mia Largo. I'm pretty sure the garage door opener wasn't dealing with those kind of crowds.



I've never said that nor even so much as insinuated that. One was most certainly far more egregious. But neither is right. As more has come to light Biden is looking even worse. My issue has been that there are certainly differing circumstances surrounding the two cases. Refusing to comply with a subpoena for eight months being one of them.

We agree much more than you think we do.

I felt very much the same way about you. I think our opinions may vary in degrees but overall aren't that different.

WTF is going on? Was there a rummage sale on classified material? Fry everyone that has them illegally in their possession. Maybe that's how we can drain the swamp.

Not saying that's a bad idea but the way the law is written a lot of it has to do with intent. And that may be a little harder to prove in court.

Pretty soon the lawyers for Obama and Bush are going to make a statement.

At this point nothing would surprise me.

j/c

Perhaps at this time, anyone that served in Congress over the last, eh, 15 years or so should be investigated, and every president and v.p. for the last 20 years or so as well. This is just getting stupid.

Grade school libraries have more have more protection of documents than our government.

Apparently.

I'm curious as to what the procedure is to protect these documents, and how one goes about getting them. What does an official need to do to get them, and why can't they be traced?

At this very moment, my lawyers are checking my garage, my studio and all the closets in my home. Good thing only I know about my storage unit across town

I would buy into that if you weren't far too intelligent to be a politician that would have access to such documents.

If I were the Clinton’s I’d self deport to South America. Bolivia maybe? And we already know what’s hidden away in Lindsey Graham’s closet.

They may not be able to be put in prison but they should have their security clearances revoked and prohibited from getting it re-instated in my preference ever but at a minimum 20 years. This effectively prohibits them from holding office for the near future. It gets complicated with Biden as he is the seating president. I would have it go into effect at the conclusion of his current term. So he cannot run for re-election.

And before anyone brings up hilary and her emails, I said the exact same thing about her ar that time. I didn't think she should be put in prison but I did feel her security clearance should be revoked and thus eliminating the possibility of her returning to office in any capacity.