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Thanks, Board Officer Pit but I'll choose to keep it here as it relates to cap space available for all teams as free agency is still ongoing.

Wonder what the 49ers might be willing to trade from their DL.

Jets only have $10M. I wonder how, if at all, that would affect the Rodgers deal.

You see, I'm not the one who is always complaining about keeping salary cap discussion limited to the salary cap thread. We both know who that is. I was just wondering how different the reaction would be from your ilk if I was the one who did the same thing. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

Please don't try and ruin another thread.

I didn't do anything of the sort. I simply posted a link to the salary cap thread. It was you who posted this in response.


Then I explained the reason for my post. I'd say the ball is in your court.

No one cares about your stupid question. You have not acknowledged that they kept Conklin and Pocic. You continue to throw shade on the Browns. That's your right, but don't pout when we ignore your agenda.

the best backup is the one that never plays a snap all season

A better question might be why would Froholdt want to be a backup here when he'll likely start for Arizona?

I'd say that Pocic was our best backup center considering Harris was supposed to be the starter.

Considering we've been able to function with "some guy named Blake" thrown on the field, I think Callahan will figure something out at G.

Lol. What a mess.

A real life Lionel Hutz.

I liked Froholdt too. I liked him when he played at Arkansas. I have always liked Arkansas. I liked the name of the state when I was a kid and I like their helmets and name. Razorbacks....how cool is that?

He signed a 2 year deal with Az....I think it was Az..I don't know that we didn't make an effort to sign the guy. It probably came down to him or keeping Pocic, so with that in mind, I am glad we kept Pocic. Sometimes it is what it is. The realities are you can't keep everybody. We have a lot of money invested in the O-line.

I would have liked to have kept the guy, but he wasn't going to start, and he wasn't good at center. If he had been, we may have kept him. You can only spend so much on a guy who projected out as a back-up.

I would have liked to have kept him and sure Berry and coaches would have, but we have only so many dollars we can spend on the O-line without taking shortcuts somewhere else.

So it boiled to keeping a center who was pretty darn good or keeping a guy to play center who was maybe marginal. I seem to recall you saying you played center in HS. Then you know it isn't a position you can just stick anybody in there to play. It doesn't mean the Dane wasn't a good player. He just wasn't a center. He is a guard.

Just because a guy plays center doesn't mean he can play guard or just because a guy plays guard means he can be a center. Different strength and agility requirements involved.

The Complete Collusion Gym.

This will be perfect for me to take to the movie theater. No more sitting in a reclined seat like a couch potato. I'll be working up a sweat in the aisle!

Side note: I feel like Lamar Jackson is about to get Kaepernick'd.

Once again, the NFL rears its ugly head w/unfair treatment, dirty tactics, inconsistent decisions, and collusionary actions.

I don't know that it's collusion as much as teams understanding the circumstances.

Any team making an offer would have to make it so high that Baltimore would not match it, otherwise you're just creating unnecessary media attention.
In doing so, you have to make sure you have the financial end ready to deal with the it, in which many would need to clean out some other contracts to accomplish the financials.

Not saying there isn't any "collusion", but just because there aren't teams lining up, doesn't mean there are. The chances of successfully signing him are low without an outrageous offer.

The tag he is on is "built in" collusion. Also, I was speaking more of how they made the non-certified agent public.

Vers, I'm not trying to argue as I know you are pretty passionate about the rift between the NFLPA and owners in the league. So answer if you want to or don't. With that said, I'm not sure the league needed to send a memo and "shine light" on a strange situation that they don't really approve of. However, it is strange and a lot of everybody has said this makes it hard to work towards a contract.

I heard one talking head make mention of the fact that agents do a lot of their work at the combine every year... a place where you can at least get a pulse, kick ideas around, etc... There was no agent for Lamar there, obviously. Instead, all we have is a vague idea of Jackson's demands; and all interested teams have (legitimately) is a chance to overpay for an enigmatic, sometimes great, sometimes average QB... or do Baltimore's work for them.

Anyway...

Didn't the "built in" collusion start with his own team choosing that tag?

Did the Ravens want to collude to keep Jackson out of football or give him the shaft? Or was it to let the market determine the value of a QB that couldn't finish the last two seasons and thinks he should be the highest paid in the game... "guar-un-teed"?

You're the GM... Lamar seems earnest in wanting to make the move and puts the "offer" ball in your court. What is your final offer?

I almost did not make my previous post because I know you think the idea of collusion is ridiculous. We disagree on that and it's no big deal.

I do think Lamar should have an agent.

I do not think the NFL had to make the memo so public. They are purposely painting an unflattering picture of Lamar.

When I mentioned "built in" collusion, I was not talking about Lamar's case. It's like that for every player. Many NFL players--mostly former--have talked about the Non-exclusive tag as being "built in" collusion. It's not a secret.

I need to see how this breaks down because right now I'm confused. Guaranteeing $30M in 2026 now as part of a 1 year extension for a guy who will be 36 seems odd. It is likely a sort of retroactive signing bonus that will be spread out starting now, but it just sounded weird.

From a larger article:

j/c

Just a comment by Ozzy Newsome on what has helped complicate the Lamar situation....

Good. I hope the Browns made the situation very complicated for the Ravens and next year the Bengals. There not our friends and we should do everything in our power to make things harder on them. That is what good GM's do. There was talk the Ravens actually want to somehow get Lamar to sign the franchise tag for 1 year and revisit the contract again next year to see what the Bengals do with Burrow.

If there is built in collusion, then the NFLPA helped buil;d that in .... oe at least agreed to it.

I agree. They are forcing him to stay in Baltimore and take what he can get or walk. I hate to see it too, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I want him gone, just not from the NFL altogether.

Yep, and I hated the trade, but you have to give AB and the FO credit for creating this situation too. We have our guy, and now the guy on every other team thinks, why not me too?

I have to believe we have our guy, and I have said I think fully guaranteed contracts were inevitable, especially for certain positions. We do need to consider that at some point in the future we will be "bitten" by this for a different player. It may not be this front office that has to deal with it, but I am not front office fan.

The genie is not going back in the bottle forever.

Could RB Kareem Hunt return to the Browns?

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/could_rb_kareem_hunt_return_to_the_browns/s1_13132_38610303

Boy, it sure would be nice to find a way to fit him in. He's by far our best back out of the backfield, IMO. If Berry somehow signs Hunt back, say for two years on the cheap, then this would be the best offseason the browns have ever had. If there was a better one, I'm either forgetting it or was unaware, but AB is fire as a GM. And shame on anyone who says differently.

That’d be cool if KH came back. I noticed that losing D’Ernest Johnson to FA didn’t get a lot of play around here but I thought we’d keep him. He is a damn good back and has shown it. If Chubb gets hurt, I hope we have Kareem to help our run game.

According to this ESPN grading scale, the Browns roster is ranked 9th overall.

Not surprisingly, our OL is ranked the highest of our position groups, followed by the corners, with QB and Edge being tied for third best. Some may argue the RB unit should be higher, but it's right behind the QB and Edge ranking. I'm assuming that not signing Hunt and losing DEJ hurt that particular grade.