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Nice Special Teams signing considering we lost Tae Davis the other day.

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I really hope we sign him.

He may not be an all pro but he is the type of guy that teams need. When he was with the Colts all you heard was how great he was as a teammate.

Players respect Walker. It is plain and simple.

Washington is not a good destination. That place has been an eye sore under Snyder.

We can find another middle linebacker that is not the issue. The issue is Walker is known and is a plus player.

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Browns doing a nice job of improving this off-season.


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He is known for special teams.


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Here is what ESPN's Michael Rothstein [I'm guessing he is paid by ESPN to cover the Falcons] had to say about Ford:




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Mike Ford, CB/S/ST

Age: 27

2022 stats: 8 defensive tackles, 7 special teams tackles

The skinny: Ford has developed into one of the league's top special teams players and is a key contributor there. Pay no attention to the defensive numbers (although he could play corner or safety in an emergency) and look at the overall value to a phase of the game Atlanta places an emphasis on.

Re-signing chances: High

https://www.espn.com/blog/atlanta-f...ght-do-with-each-of-their-25-free-agents

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The type of signing that will go unnoticed by many.

Most special teams players are unheralded. Yet over the full season they are important.

Our special teams over the last two seasons was poor overall. Priefer paid the price. When you sign a guy like this for $2 plus you expect him to make plays.

AB has been methodical about improving the areas that needed to improve.

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A GM should try to make upgrades to all positions on the team whenever it makes sense and can be done. ST's are no different and neither is depth at all positions. I think he will be used as the gunner on ST's and should be a huge improvement in that capacity.


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@Bull_Dawg the contract updates for the players noted, because the moneys become guaranteed, those moneys now get spread across the remainder of the contract for salary cap purposes. While this is "kicking the can down the road" it does open up those moneys to be used this year.

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The type of signing that will go unnoticed by many.

Most special teams players are unheralded. Yet over the full season they are important.

Our special teams over the last two seasons was poor overall. Priefer paid the price. When you sign a guy like this for $2 plus you expect him to make plays.

AB has been methodical about improving the areas that needed to improve.


I agree. I always find these signings "interesting" because I've thought of many STers as being bottom-of-the-roster guys who make the team because of the ST ability...and are unlikely to see the field otherwise. This guy isn't a total project, so he may see the field if circumstances dictate...so that's good. With our luck, we will draft a late-round guy/flyer with promise who will have to make the team on Sts while developing into a contributor otherwise...and we will be "stuck" with (2) guys who will only play Sts in '23. It won't affect the cap...it won't stymie the growth on O, D, or STs...but it could make the 53 even tighter to crack. I'm sure the coaches and FO would welcome that "problem".

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Man...I do not get the love for Walker. He's a good guy and all...but he doesn't do anything special to my (admittedly untrained) eye.

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@Bull_Dawg the contract updates for the players noted, because the moneys become guaranteed, those moneys now get spread across the remainder of the contract for salary cap purposes. While this is "kicking the can down the road" it does open up those moneys to be used this year.

I don't think all guarantees get pro-rated. Signing bonuses are guarantees that do. The option bonuses do, also, get pro-rated, it appears. I think the money becoming guaranteed, by itself, just means we'd still have to pay them that if we cut them now. For example, before only 10M of Myles' contract was guaranteed, now the full ~$17M is guaranteed. It doesn't change anything on the cap. I'm still trying to figure out if the option bonuses change anything capwise or if they were already assumed for cap space projection purposes. Before we could have gotten out of them, but now they've been paid and the cap hits are fixed as they were spread out as projected, I believe.


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He had a $1.2M contract last year playing behind Lockett and Metcalf. Can't imagine any deal being more than one year for much money. Clearly, the Browns are trying to find a speedy/deep threat WR. I'd rather have someone like Chark or Hardman for a little more. Maybe he is in town because the other options fell through in some form or fashion??


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Could be an option as a slot receiver. Good speed. Catches the ball. Injured last year w/Seattle. I think he missed about 5 or 6 games. I don't think I watched him last year in Seattle. I liked him in SF. I remember him taking a knee in honor of his son who was born prematurely and died. Not sure about the money? I do think we could use help in the slot.

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Why a thumbs down - this guy fits the Berry Mold to an absolute tee. Talented, ubber athletic - underachiever so far in his career. That's been the Berry MO with several signings. Some have worked out some haven't but we have never given away much to try them out and see if they can turn their careers around.


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I think a lot of fans are expecting an answer instead of what you described as an " underachiever so far in his career". Someone who is actually a more proven WR. Which could still happen. At this stage I think a lot of fans are looking for more of a proven commodity at the WR position than placing odds on another "Some have worked out some haven't."

Like I said that could still happen. Hopefully Goodwin is being considered for someone further on down the depth chart than the answer some people are hoping for if he's signed. I could see him as a further on down the depth chart guy which may be an upgrade in that role. Which this FO should still be striving to accomplish so if that's how it works out I think it would be a good signing.


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Why a thumbs down - this guy fits the Berry Mold to an absolute tee. Talented, ubber athletic - underachiever so far in his career. That's been the Berry MO with several signings. Some have worked out some haven't but we have never given away much to try them out and see if they can turn their careers around.


He is 32 years old. His best days are long gone. To me this is like throwing in the towel on signing a WR.


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Why a thumbs down - this guy fits the Berry Mold to an absolute tee. Talented, ubber athletic - underachiever so far in his career. That's been the Berry MO with several signings. Some have worked out some haven't but we have never given away much to try them out and see if they can turn their careers around.


He is 32 years old. His best days are long gone. To me this is like throwing in the towel on signing a WR.

I respect your football knowledge, so I will give my opinion and then ask you a question. I don't like this FA WR class. At all! I have said it numerous times. I have maintained we should concentrate on the defensive side of the ball in FA and go after a WR or two in the draft. I think the FA WRs all have huge question marks and will cost way more than they are worth. If we do go after a WR, I would target a lower tiered guy like Goodwin. I liked Thielen, but even he got more than he is worth.

Now the question: Do you really think it would be wise to spend significant money on any of the FA WRs out there, especially given their injury history and inconsistent production?

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I would rather see a trade for a WR or sign one (Hardman) that could be with us for more than a year.
The roster spot he would take up would be better spent (imo) on a player who has a future with us past this season, especially with DPJ possibly hitting FA next year.


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I understand what you are saying about, "I liked Thielen, but even he got more than he is worth." But that's a common misconception a lot of fans have. They often look at signings from the past off season and see this years salaries as being too high. We both know that the price tag for WR's has been escalating so that was to be expected. Then there's the increase in the salary cap which means in general the price tag for skilled players simply continue to rise. It's just the price of doing business. An NFL FO has one of two choices. Either keep up with the cost of the market or refuse to sign mid to upper level FA's.

So far the Browns FO has been managing that fine line between doing both and a good job of it at that.


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I hope there's something to this. It would seem odd to me that the Browns would go all in on watson and then be stingy in regards to the WR position.


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If true, I don't really get the "why" of pursuing this trade. That's a lot to give up for a guy who is "okay." Also, I'm pretty sure that 2023 is the last year of his rookie contract and he is almost certainly going to want a big dollar contract.

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The hard part when looking at Jeudy is judging his time with Denver.

He is 23. Still very young.

The Denver qb situation has been unsteady. Jeudy went into a tough situation. If there is interest on the Browns part. They have to look at him as a long term investment who would take over for Cooper at some point.

Always hard to tell what Jeudy's true potential is? If they look at him and see more than he has done so far.

Then he may be worth their second rounder.

I don't have an opinion on him.

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I hear you. I think he is a good player. I think he has the ability to be upper echelon. I worry because we have already traded away picks for Watson. My biggest concern is his contract status. Imagine giving up a #1 and he leaves after a year. That's scary.

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Pick up Jeudy's 5th year option in 2024. By the time Jeudy is due for a big contract, Cooper's contract has expired following the 2024 season in which Cooper will be 31.

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Since we do not have a first rounder this year or next.

We would only make this deal with what we have. Some kinda of package of second rounder plus.

I don't think we really need a "A list" guy.

We have Chubb. He will get his. Cooper and DPJ will get targets. I think we will throw more to Njoku and Akins.

We really do not even know what we have in Bell. He has good numbers against man. He was ok for a first year player playing with two qb's.

No way he was going to get many targets last year. We do not know what we have in Woods and Weston.

Jeudy would be a big add. But I am not counting on him. I think we can get a guy to fill a role. We don't need a guy to get 80 catches and 1000 yards.

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