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Originally Posted by dawglover05
Tactically-speaking, I don't think the Republicans are approaching this very well. If they have damning evidence on Biden.
They dont


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If they had it,, I mean, if they had the proof, they'd be setting up impeachment hearing right now.. Not next week, not in a month...RIGHT NOW..

Until they do that, I see this entire deal as another "hillary ran a brothel" thing.. Or another John Durham investigation that got nowhere. Or Barack Obama wasn't born here...

The reason you don't hear about this on MSM is because they aren't buying it., They'll all cover it if it becomes clear it's not BS


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So, you don't believe the links given?

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THREAD OF LIES. Debunked BS GOPer talking points intended to distract t from Trump’s CRIMINAL prosecution. Nothing in this thread is worth the bytes to store it.

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I guess we'll find out, Mr. Screamer.

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We already found out. Quit calling me names.

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We haven't found anything out yet. Your opinion is meaningless.

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Originally Posted by archbolddawg
So, you don't believe the links given?


No I do not


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It sounds like the connection would the the timeline (?). Repeated payments over a stretch of time after a large deposit that follow a pattern.

At least I THINK that's what I got from reading the memo.

I'm with you. If there's something to go after then go after it. Nobody on our side of the political process (citizens) is going to stress over accountability.


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No, he doesn't believe it... it's all #fakenews


This web of corruption makes Watergate look like a childhood prank.


The Bidens’ Influence Peddling Timeline

2013
November 1, 2013
China – BHR
Hunter Biden, business associate, and Chinese investors agree to create Bohai Harvest RST Equity Investment Fund Management Co., Ltd. (BHR), an investment fund controlled by the Bank of China, to focus on mergers and acquisitions, and investment in and reforms of state-owned enterprise.

December 4, 2013
China – BHR
Vice President Biden travels with Hunter Biden on Air Force 2 to China and meets CEO of BHR, Jonathan Li. Shortly thereafter, BHR’s business license was approved and Hunter Biden was a board member.

February 5, 2014
Kazakhstan
Kenes Rakishev, a Kazakhstani businessman, meets with Hunter Biden at a hotel in Washington, D.C.

April 15, 2014
Ukraine
Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, appoints Biden business associate to their board of directors.

April 22, 2014
Kazakhstan
Kenes Rakishev’s Singaporean company wires $142,300 through his Latvian company to a Rosemont entity.

April 22, 2014
Ukraine
Vice President Biden travels to Ukraine and gives an anti-corruption speech.

April 23, 2014
Kazakhstan
The Rosemont entity wires $142,300 to a car dealership in New Jersey for a new sports car for Hunter Biden.

May 12, 2014
Ukraine

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Wheels up DC. Next stop → Romania

Burisma announces Hunter Biden joined its board of directors.


May 21, 2014
Romania
Vice President Biden visits Romania and delivers a speech to the Romanian Prime Minister, judges, prosecutors, and leaders of the Romanian Parliament.

September 12, 2014
China – BHR
BHR invests $1.7 billion in CCP-linked petroleum and chemical company.

December 9, 2014
China – BHR
Hunter Biden and business associate invest $484,920 into BHR.

December 22, 2014
Kazakhstan
Kenes Rakishev’s Kazakhstani oil company and Burisma join with a CCP-linked company and announce a transnational financial arrangement.

March 20, 2015
Ukraine
Hunter Biden organizes a business dinner at Café Milano in Washington, D.C. where he has his father to stop by the dinner to meet a high level Burisma official, Vadym Pozharskyi.

September 1, 2015
China – BHR
BHR joins with a CCP-linked entity to acquire US-based Henniges Automotive in a deal reportedly worth $600 million.

September 28, 2015
Romania
Vice President Biden welcomes Romanian President Klaus Iohannis to the White House. A readout of the meeting states, the “Vice President welcomed President Iohannis’ focus on anti-corruption efforts and rule of law as a means to strengthen national security and promote greater investment and economic growth.” President Iohannis said the Vice President “voiced satisfaction over Romania’s progress with the fight against corruption.”

November 2, 2015
Ukraine
Vadym Pozharskyi suggests high level U.S. level officials come to Ukraine and talk with Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin and President Petro Poroshenko about Mykola Zlochevsky’s investigations. Prosecutor General Shokin was investigating Burisma and Burisma’s owner, Zlochevsky for fraud. Prosecutor General Shokin is the Ukranian government official Vice President Biden demanded Poroshenko fire.

November 5, 2015
Romania
Romanian businessman, Gabriel Popoviciu, begins making deposits into Robinson Walker, LLC’s bank account. Robinson Walker, LLC is an entity owned by a Biden associate, Rob Walker. Popoviciu’s company sent Robinson Walker the first wire for $179,836.86. From November 2015 to May 2017, Popoviciu’s company paid Robinson Walker, LLC over $3 million. Biden family accounts received approximately $1.038 million from the Robinson Walker, LLC account after Popoviciu’s deposits. Sixteen of the seventeen payments from Popoviciu’s company to Robinson Walker, LLC were made while Joe Biden was Vice President.

November 6, 2015
Ukraine
Amos Hochstein, a high level U.S. government official working in the Obama-Biden Administration, meets with Hunter Biden and discusses Burisma.


November 11, 2015
Romania
Rob Walker’s account wires Hunter Biden $59,900.

November 11, 2015
Ukraine
Amos Hochstein meets with Vice President Biden in the West Wing.

November 12, 2015
Ukraine
Amos Hochstein calls Hunter Biden.

November 13, 2015
Romania
Hunter Biden travels to Romania to meet with the U.S. Ambassador to Romania.

November 13, 2015
Ukraine
Vice President Biden announces trip to Ukraine to take place the first week of December 2015.

November 14, 2015
Ukraine
Vadym Pozharskyi emails Hunter Biden confirmation that the Vice President will be traveling to Ukraine.

December 7, 2015
China – CEFC
Hunter Biden and CEFC Chairman Ye Jianming begin communicating regarding a possible U.S. partnership.

December 7, 2015
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $59,725.

December 7, 2015
Vice President Biden arrives in Ukraine, where he demands Prosecutor General Shokin be fired if Ukraine wants $1 billion in International Monetary Fund (IMF) loans.

VIDEO: https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Biden-Firing-Ukraine-Prosecutor-Clip.mp4?_=1

December 9, 2015
Ukraine
Vice President Biden departs Ukraine and gets a commitment from President Poroshenko that Prosecutor General Shokin will be fired.

December 17, 2015
Ukraine
Vice President Biden hosts a holiday party at the Vice Presidential residence, which Amos Hochstein and Hunter Biden both attend.

December 23, 2015
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $60,091.24.

January 20, 2016
Ukraine
Vice President Biden meets with President Poroshenko in Switzerland at the World Economic Forum where Biden reinforced the linkage between the loan guarantee and the necessary reforms.

February 4, 2016
Ukraine
Mykola Zlochevsky gives Hunter Biden unspecified, extravagant birthday gifts.

February 11, 2016
Ukraine
Vice President Biden and President Poroshenko conduct a call.

February 12, 2016
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden’s Owasco P.C. $61,126.24.

February 16, 2016
Ukraine
President Poroshenko asks Prosecutor General Shokin to resign.

February 18, 2016
Ukraine
Vice President Biden calls President Poroshenko to thank him for calling on Prosecutor General Shokin to resign.

February 19, 2016
Ukraine
President Poroshenko says he recieved Prosecutor General Shokin’s letter of resignation.

March 24, 2016
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $61,816.05.

March 29, 2016
Romania
Hunter Biden meets again with U.S. Ambassador to Romania.

March 29, 2016
Ukraine
Ukranian Parliament approves President Poroshenko’s firing of Prosecutor General Shokin.

May 23, 2016
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $123,830.80.

May 23, 2016
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $53,419.74.

July 11, 2016
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $116,860.93.

August 31, 2016
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $20,000.00.

September 22, 2016
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $32,092.81.

September 29, 2016
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $20,000.00.

October 11, 2016
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $41,638.12.

November 1, 2016
China – BHR
BHR agrees to purchase Lundin Mining Corp’s minority stake in African cobalt/copper mine Tenke Fungurume Mining S.A. for $1.14 billion.

November 15, 2016
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $122,179.

January 1, 2017
China – BHR
BHR invests $460 million in a Chinese facial recognition company.

January 20, 2017
Important Date
Obama-Biden Administration ends.

February 2, 2017
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires unspecified Biden account $20,000.

February 10, 2017
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires unspecified Biden account $20,000.

February 13, 2017
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hallie Biden $10,000.

February 16, 2017
China – CEFC
Chairman Ye Jianming gives Hunter Biden a diamond worth $80,000 after having dinner together in Miami, Florida. saywhat

February 16, 2017
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires unspecified Biden account $20,000.

February 27, 2017
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $14,000.

March 1, 2017
China – CEFC
Chairman Ye Jianming’s company wires $3 million to Robinson Walker LLC. Robinson Walker, LLC is an entity owned by a Biden associate, Rob Walker.

March 6, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires unspecified Biden account $5,000.

March 13, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires unspecified Biden account $25,000.

March 20, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires Hallie Biden $25,000.

March 27, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires Hunter Biden’s Owasco P.C. $50,000.

March 29, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires an account associated with Hunter Biden $100,000.

March 31, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires Owasco P.C. $50,000.

March 31, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires Owasco P.C. $100,000.

April 3, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires James Biden’s JBBSR INC $50,000.

April 3, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires JBBSR INC $50,000.

April 14, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires an company associated with Hunter Biden $10,692.

April 18, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires Owasco P.C. $300,000.

April 20, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires JBBSR INC $120,000.

April 21, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires unspecified Biden account $25,000.

April 24, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires JBBSR INC $125,000.

May 1, 2017
China- CEFC
In May, Joe Biden attends a CEFC meeting at the Four Seasons in D.C, according to a Biden family associate.

May 13, 2017
China – CEFC
Email between Biden business associates about the ownership of the CEFC deal, mentioning “10 held by H for the big guy?”


May 17, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires unspecified Biden account $15,000.

May 18, 2017
China – CEFC
Robinson Walker wires JBBSR INC $15,000.

June 2, 2017
Romania
Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $61,726.87.

July 30, 2017
China – CEFC
In a WhatsApp message to a Chinese company, Hunter Biden states, “Please have the director call me – not James or Tony or Jim – have him call me tonight. I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. I am very concerned that the Chairman has either changed his mind and broken our deal without telling me or that he is unaware of the promises and assurances that have been made have not been kept. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand. And now means tonight. And Z if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you Zhang or the Chairman I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. All too often people mistake kindness for weakness – and all too often I am standing over top of them saying I warned you. From this moment until whenever he reaches me.”

Hunter Biden goes on to say, “Ok my friend – I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father. I sure hope whatever it is you are doing is very very very important.”

August 2, 2017
China – CEFC
Arrangement between CEFC and Biden family changes as original Biden associates are removed. Hunter Biden writes “The chairman changed that deal after we me[t] in MIAMI TO A MUCH MORE LASTING AND LUCRATIVE ARRANGEMENT to create a holding company 50% percent [sic] owned by ME and 50% owned by him. Consulting fees is one piece of our income stream but the reason this proposal by the chairman was so much more interesting to me and my family is that we would also be partners inn [sic] the equity and profits of the JV’s investments.”

August 2, 2017
China – CEFC
The joint entity, Hudson West III, LLC is formed, with 50 percent owned by CEFC agent Gongwen Dong and 50 percent owned by Hunter Biden.

August 3, 2017
China – CEFC
In a Whatsapp exchange, Hunter Biden tells CEFC associate Gongwen “Kevin” Dong, “The Biden’s are the best I know at doing exactly what the Chairman wants from this [partnership].” Gongwen Dong is a business associate of Chairman Ye Jianming who executed numerous transactions on the Ye’s behalf.

August 4, 2017
China – CEFC
CEFC wires $100,000 to Hunter Biden’s company, Owasco PC.

August 8, 2017
China – CEFC
CEFC wires $5 million to Hudson West III.


September 21, 2017
China – CEFC
Hunter Biden requests keys made at his office shared with his Chinese partners: “Joe Biden Jill Biden Jim Biden Gongwen Dong (Chairman Ye CEFC emissary)”; and to adjust his business signage listing The Biden Foundation and Hudson West (CEFC US) on the sign.

November 8, 2017
China – CEFC
Patrick Ho, a CEFC agent in America, arrested at JFK airport on suspicion of bribery and money laundering on behalf of CEFC China.

2018
February 13, 2018
Kazakhstan
The U.S. Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) issues a notice accusing Rakishev’s Latvian company of money laundering.

March 1, 2018
China – CEFC
Ye Jianming detained by Chinese authorities for “suspected economic crimes.” His whereabouts remain unknown.

March 23, 2018
China – CEFC
Hudson West III LLC and CEFC begin to dissolve.

December 5, 2018
China – CEFC
Patrick Ho is convicted for violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act in a multinational bribery scheme and money laundering offenses.

March 19, 2019
China – CEFC
Patrick Ho was sentenced to three years after he was found to have bribed officials in Africa in pursuit of oil deals to benefit CEFC China, as well as laundering money through various international accounts to perpetuate these business dealings.

April 25, 2019
Important Date
Joe Biden announces his presidential campaign.

September 21, 2019
Important Date
Joe Biden responds to reporters in Iowa inquiring about his relationship to Hunter Biden’s foreign business ventures: “I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings.” (PROVEN LIE)

October 13, 2019
Important Date
“Hunter neither played a role in the formation or licensure of [BHR], nor owned any equity in it while his father was Vice President. He served only as a member of its board of directors, which he joined based on his interest in seeking ways to bring Chinese capital to international markets. It was an unpaid position. . . . To date, Hunter has not received any compensation for being on BHR’s board of directors. He has not received any return on his investment; there have been no distributions to BHR shareholders since Hunter obtained his equity interest. Moreover, Hunter played no role in directing or making BHR’s investments. Hunter intends to resign from the BHR board of directors on or by October 31, 2019.” – spokesman for Hunter Biden (BLATENT LIES)

December 8, 2019
Important Date
“I don’t know what he was doing,” Joe Biden said of his son’s work for Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, in an interview. “I know he was on the board. I found out he was on the board after he was on the board, and that was it.” (LIAR)

June 13, 2020
Ukraine
Ukranian law enforcement announces $6M bribery scheme by Mykola Zlochevsky in order to end probe into the Burisma founder.

June 30, 2020
Important Date
FBI FD-1023 form is created. An FD-1023 form is generated by the FBI to memorialize information obtained from a confidential human source. This confidential human source told the FBI that an oligarch had told the CHS he had bribed then-Vice President Biden $5 million (and $5 million for his son, Hunter Biden) in exchange for certain actions related to Ukraine.

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/fd_1023_obtained_by_senator_grassley_-_biden.pdf

October 22, 2020
Important Date
During an October presidential debate, Joe Biden responds to a question about election security: “I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life.” 🤣 (LIAR)

October 22, 2020
Important Date
During the same October presidential debate, Joe Biden also said, “My son has not made money, in terms of thing about, what are you talking about? China. The only guy who made money in China is [President Trump].” 🤣 (MORE LIES)

March 16, 2023
Important Date
The Oversight and Accountability Committee releases its first bank records memorandum revealing over $1 million in payments from a Chinese company to the Bidens through an associate.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Bank-Records-Memo-3.16.23.pdf

March 17, 2023
Important Date
When asked about his family dealings and whether Biden family members received money from his son’s business associates, Joe Biden responded, “That’s not true.” (LIAR)

May 10, 2023
Important Date
The Oversight and Accountability Committee releases its second bank records memorandum revealing the Bidens’ influence peddling schemes in Romania and China.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Bank-Memorandum-5.10.23.pdf

June 22, 2023
Hunter Biden Criminal Investigation
The Committee on Ways and Means releases IRS whistleblower testimony about the Department of Justice’s politicization and misconduct with respect to allegations against Hunter Biden.

July 19, 2023
Hunter Biden Criminal Investigation
The House Oversight Committee holds a hearing with two IRS whistleblowers who testified about the Department of Justice’s misconduct and politicization in the Biden criminal investigation. Key takeaways from the hearing can be found here.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/hearing-wrap-up-irs-whistleblowers-expose-how-bidens-were-treated-differently%ef%bf%bc/

July 20, 2023
Important Date
Senator Chuck Grassley released an unclassified FBI-generated record describing an alleged criminal scheme involving then-Vice President Joe Biden and a Ukrainian business executive. Senator Grassley acquired the record, an FD-1023, via legally protected disclosures by Justice Department whistleblowers.

https://twitter.com/GOPoversight/status/1682067528242151427?s=20


July 24, 2023
Important Date
Business Insider reveals Hunter Biden’s gallery sold art to major Democratic donor and >>>Biden-appointed commissioner Elizabeth Hirsh Naftali.<<<

https://www.businessinsider.com/hun...s-gallery-elizabeth-hirsh-naftali-2023-7

Naftali was appointed by President Biden to the Commission for the Preservation of America’s Heritage Abroad.

This is the same Commission President Obama appointed Eric Schwerin, Hunter Biden’s longtime business associate, to in 2015. This comes after President Biden “pledged that there would be an ‘absolute wall’ between his official duties and his family’s private business interest.”
(DIRECT, BLATANT INFLUENCE PEDDLING... AND MORE LIES)

July 25, 2023
Important Date
Washington Examiner reveals Alexander Mackler, a close associate of the Biden family and former Biden Staffer, spent years working in the Delaware U.S. attorney’s office. According to Mackler’s LinkedIn, part of his tenure was under U.S. Attorney David Weiss. He also had overlap with the months when whistleblowers said the office took up an investigation of Hunter Biden.

“Mackler also appeared to have a close personal relationship with Hunter Biden. In emails found on Hunter Biden’s laptop, Mackler corresponded frequently with Hunter Biden and his business associates and even referred to Hunter Biden fondly as a “brother” in October 2018.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/close-biden-political-aide-weiss-hunter

July 26, 2023
Hunter Biden Criminal Investigation
Hunter Biden’s Sweetheart Plea Deal: Politico obtained a copy of Hunter Biden’s sweetheart plea deal.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/26/proposed-hunter-biden-plea-agreement-00108426

July 26, 2023
Hunter Biden Criminal Investigation
Hunter Biden’s Sweetheart Plea Deal Hearing Transcript: U.S. District Judge Maryellen Noreika refused to rubberstamp Hunter Biden’s sweetheart plea deal. At the hearing, the Justice Department admitted that Hunter Biden’s sweetheart plea deal was unprecedented. Hunter Biden also admitted that he made money from China, contradicting Joe Biden’s claims that his son never made money in China. Hunter Biden also admitted that his former business partner was CCP-linked Ye Jianming. The hearing transcript can be found here.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Hunter-Biden-Plea-Hearing-Transcript.pdf

July 31, 2023

Ukraine
The House Oversight Committee held a transcribed interview with Devon Archer, Hunter Biden’s former business associate. During the transcribed interview, Archer testified that Joe Biden was “the brand” that Hunter Biden sold around the world to enrich the Biden family. Archer also admitted that Burisma would have gone out of business if ‘the brand’ had not been attached to it.” Key excerpts and the full transcript can be found here.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-releases-devon-archers-transcribed-interview-transcript


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Lol. Mostly just a joke, bro. Although the similarities reveal some colorful contrast in how Pitt has approached the cases. We watched him parade around saying "Twenty-two, twenty two, twenty-two!!" as if the sheer number should be more than enough for anyone to apply common sense to the situation. He was right, and most of us did. Different litmus test this time around. wink

This is sad. You're trying ro compare first hand witness accounts to second and third hand rumors. But any port in a storm I guess.


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There are plenty of first hand witness accounts in the Biden case -- you call them all liars before you even hear what they have to say. Hypocrisy much?


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Then bring them. Let them talk and let's see what they have to say. Thus far we have seen what they have to say. And it's pretty much the opposite of what Comer has claimed they would say.


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Enough evidence of influence peddling to sink the Titanic.

Pitt: "That's not what Comer said they would say!!"


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It’s so funny watching right wingers whine about hunter biden while simping for trash men like Andrew Tate.

This is why the majority of Americans roll their eyes at whatever right wingers are outraged about.


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You said something about witnesses. Whose moving the goal posts now?


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There are plenty of first hand witness accounts in the Biden case -- you call them all liars before you even hear what they have to say. Hypocrisy much?

Yeah, well there's only one problem with that BS. That's not even close to what I said. But that's never stopped you before so why should it stop you now? Here's what I said about it when you asked my point of view since that seems to be some kind of point you're making by lying about it......

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My point of view is that none of us really know either way. The investigation has not been concluded as of yet. And yes, as cited in my two examples above, at least to this point in time, much of the wild accusations they have made turned out to be false or at the very least accusations they claimed of which they lacked the evidence to support.

So my point of view is let it play out and see where things end up. My point of view is that based on their track record to this point, as with most things political, don't take anything they say or claim at face value. Allow the process to play out. Fact check everything and don't claim victory until you win. Too many people get disappointed when they think their team has won the game before the third quarter has even ended.

I understand how painting a false narrative has become attractive and promoted in today's society. But that's a little hard to get away with when the truth is posted on the previous page of this board.


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What's the point? You do a right turn and ignore all the witness testimony.

According to you, all of this goes in the wastebasket... All because Comer said Archer would directly implicate Biden.


Devon Archer testified that the value of adding Hunter Biden to Burisma’s board was “the brand” and confirmed that then-Vice President Joe Biden was “the brand.”

Archer admitted that “Burisma would have gone out of business if ‘the brand’ had not been attached to it.” He believed that Hunter Biden being on the board and the Biden brand contributed to Burisma’s longevity. People would have been intimidated to mess with Burisma legally because of the Biden brand.

In December 2015, Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma, and Vadym Pozharski, an executive of Burisma, placed constant pressure on Hunter Biden to get help from D.C. regarding the Ukrainian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin. Shokin was investigating Burisma for corruption. Hunter Biden, along with Zlochevsky and Pozharski, “called D.C.” to discuss the matter. Biden, Zlochevsky, and Pozharski stepped away to make the call. This raises concerns that Hunter Biden was in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

Devon Archer testified that Hunter Biden put then-Vice President Joe Biden on the speakerphone during business meetings over 20 times. Archer testified that Joe Biden was put on the phone to sell “the brand.” These phone calls include a dinner in Paris with a French energy company and in China with Jonathan Li, the CEO of BHR.

Archer acknowledged that then-Vice President Biden had coffee with Jonathan Li, the CEO of BHR, in Beijing. Then-Vice President Biden even wrote a letter of recommendation for college for Li’s daughter.

Archer confirmed Joe Biden was referred to as “my guy” by Hunter Biden.

In spring of 2014, then-Vice President Biden attended a business dinner with his son, Hunter, and his associates at Café Milano in Washington, D.C. Elena Baturina, a Russian oligarch who is the widow of the former mayor of Moscow, attended the dinner. Notably, the Biden Administration’s public sanctions list for Russian oligarchs does not contain Baturina.



None of that means anything "because Comer", right?


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Maybe you should go back and look at what Archer was "supposed to testify to". He was supposed to show evidence that Joe Biden was directly involved with Hunter's business dealings with Burisma.

And of course your sources didn't use quotes and instead twisted what was actually said. What he did say was that Hunter was trying to sell the idea of the brand to the board.

What you have done is show that Hunter Biden is a scum bag. Something I didn't need to be convinced of.

It also neglects to say that Archer directly stated that Joe Biden NEVER discussed any business in those phone calls.

So no, I don't doubt that Hunter Biden used the fact that his father was Vice President of The United States to try to influence and make it appear to increase his value for his own personal gain.


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House GOP releases new memo on Hunter Biden's foreign business dealings, reviving old claims

The president says he wasn't involved; Republicans say they don't need proof.

House Republicans on Wednesday released a 19-page memo with "new information obtained in the [Oversight] Committee's investigation into the Biden family's influence peddling schemes," according to Rep. James Comer, R-Ky., the panel's chairman.

But an initial review of the document indicates that the conduct it describes draws heavily from past congressional reports and previously released testimony.

Many of the details highlighted in the new memo date back to a 2020 report published by Republican Sens. Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson, of Iowa and Wisconsin, which found that Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden's overseas business ventures were "awkward" and at times "problematic" for U.S. officials but provided no new evidence and found no instance of government policy being altered as a result.

Other parts of the memo were made public last week, when the Oversight Committee released the complete transcript of its interview with Devon Archer, a longtime former business associate of Hunter Biden.

The most notable element of the committee's memo could be its claim that it does not need to find evidence directly connecting Joe Biden to what it described as "Biden family" business efforts in order to demonstrate corruption.

Since Republicans retook the House last year, they have launched multiple investigative efforts aimed at learning more about who paid Hunter Biden in the past, when and why, and they have contended that the swirl of foreign money sullies Joe Biden himself.

In Wednesday's memo, Republicans on the oversight panel argued that critics "purport a weak defense by asserting the Committee must show payments directly to the President to show corruption."

"This is a hollow claim no other American would be afforded if their family members accepted foreign payments or bribes. Indeed, the law recognizes payments to family members to corruptly influence others can constitute a bribe," the committee's Republicans went on to write, citing the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

That law warns against payments to relatives if they are used "as an indirect way of corruptly influencing ... [an] official," which GOP lawmakers haven't proven.

In closed-door testimony last week, Archer told the oversight panel that he saw no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden in connection to Hunter Biden's business dealings but described to lawmakers how Hunter Biden offered clients "the illusion of access" by promoting the "Biden brand."

The White House has repeatedly dismissed claims of misconduct by the president, saying there is no evidence that Joe Biden was or is connected to his son's business work. The president has said the same.

"House Republicans can't prove President Biden did anything wrong, but they are proving every day they have no vision and no agenda to actually help the American people. For them, it's all about partisan games and political attacks that serve themselves and get themselves attention on rightwing media – not about taking on the big challenges facing our country," White House counsel's office spokesperson Ian Sams wrote in an email to reporters on Wednesday.

House Democrats likewise pounced on the new memo, contending it is part of Republicans' "increasingly embarrassing attempt to justify their baseless calls for an impeachment inquiry."

"Committee Republicans have once again released information on financial transactions that do not involve the President," said Maryland Rep. Jamie Raskin, the ranking Democrat on the Oversight Committee. "Instead, they rehash the same Hunter Biden business dealings that Congressional Republicans identified at least three years ago."

In a statement, Comer defended his panel's work, saying in part: "The House Oversight Committee will continue to follow the money trail and obtain witness testimony to determine whether foreign actors targeted the Bidens, President Biden is compromised or corrupt, and our national security is threatened."

Here is a closer look at some of the details in the new memo.

In one case, the memo highlights a $3.5 million payment in 2014 from the wife of the former mayor of Moscow to Rosemont Seneca Thornton LLC, the business entity the committee says was co-founded by Hunter Biden and Archer.

This payment was included in the 2020 report issued by Senate Republicans, and former President Donald Trump highlighted this alleged transaction in his first debate with Joe Biden.

An attorney for Hunter Biden at the time said the claim was "false," telling ABC News that Hunter Biden had no interest in Rosemont Seneca Thornton when the payment was made and was not, as Republicans claimed, a co-founder. (This lawyer made a distinction between Rosemont Seneca Thornton and Rosemont Seneca Partners, which Hunter Biden actually did co-found.)

Politico reported that Trump also sought to engage the former Moscow mayor for business opportunities prior to his time in office.

Another major claim in the Republicans' new memo is that Hunter Biden accepted a $142,300 wire transfer from a wealthy Kazakh businessman for a sports car.

This, too, was part of the Senate report published in 2020.

Comer describes an allegation from Archer -- which was described in reporting about Archer's testimony -- that Joe Biden attended a dinner in 2014 at Washington eatery Café Milano with business associates of Hunter Biden's.

According to Archer's testimony, Joe Biden arrived and greeted guests at the 2014 dinner, sat down and "talked about the world, I guess, and the weather, and then everybody left."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hou...T4aOkcUJ_DknR7bLtxCS5nG9MJKIovwdI86r0haQ

I guess Comer and crew feel like if you throw up the same vomit over and over again, eventually someone who is hungry enough will eat it. That appears to be true.


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“There’s this testimony now where one of your son’s former business associates is claiming that you were on speakerphone a lot with them talking business,” Doocy told Biden at a public event in Belen, N.M.

Peter Doocy crating more false information to spread among FOX News viewers asking a question he knows is based on lie to Biden in New Mexico.

Biden responded with...

“I never talked business with anybody,” Biden shot back. “And I knew you’d have a lousy question.”

Doocy pressed the president, asking him “what makes it a lousy question?”

“Because it’s not true,” Biden responded.


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Crackhead loses laptop.

Laptop contains info of Hunter's business dealings including talk of 10% to the big guy.

FBI disappears laptop for two years, calls it "Russian disinformation", admin shuts down all discussion on social media.

Dozens of visits to Biden's office at the White House, from Hunter's business partners while Joe insists he's never discussed Hunter's business dealings.

Justice Department lets the statute of limitations expire on Hunter’s most blatant tax violations despite overwhelming evidence.

Justice Department seeks utterly unprecedented plea bargain that would’ve given President Joe Biden’s son blanket immunity for any crimes.

Justice Department still silent on his failure to register as a foreign agent, when that “work” was how he “earned” those millions.

IRS agents testify under oath that standard investigative steps were blocked and that they were steered away from analyzing Joe Biden’s role in his son’s enterprises, despite communications that clearly implicated him.

Meanwhile, Hunter says he can't afford to pay his mortgages or child support.

Hunter does "legal" work as a board member with a Ukrainian firm accused of bribery and his work with a Chinese businessman now accused of fraud.

Over 10M is funneled through a series of shell companies (why do that, when it's all "legal" work?) and ends up in the accounts of all Biden family members, including grandchildren.


If Joe is not the "bug guy", who is? Obama??


But, but, no DNA evidence!! willynilly


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More claims based on "feelings and beliefs" rather than any factual evidence. "But he said big guy."

The funny part is you just saw them state they didn't have to directly connect it to Joe Biden to prove he was involved. Now who in the hell would say that if they had proven in any way that Joe Biden was directly involved? Yet still you believe.


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Let me know when Joe Biden is indicted, you know, like the fascist orange loser.

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The committee just put out a memo that said they don't have to show Joe Biden's direct involvement to prove he was directly involved. That's some direct whacked out BS to cover their own asses.


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More GOPer logics.

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Let me know when Joe Biden is indicted, you know, like the fascist orange loser.

Please let me know as well.. I'm interested.


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The committee just put out a memo that said they don't have to show Joe Biden's direct involvement to prove he was directly involved. That's some direct whacked out BS to cover their own asses.


How the hell does that work?


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Originally Posted by Damanshot
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The committee just put out a memo that said they don't have to show Joe Biden's direct involvement to prove he was directly involved. That's some direct whacked out BS to cover their own asses.


How the hell does that work?


All they have to do is follow the money. They have the bank records. They have Hunter's statements that he was paying Joe half the money.

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Originally Posted by EveDawg
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The committee just put out a memo that said they don't have to show Joe Biden's direct involvement to prove he was directly involved. That's some direct whacked out BS to cover their own asses.


How the hell does that work?


All they have to do is follow the money. They have the bank records. They have Hunter's statements that he was paying Joe half the money.


So you are saying that Biden didn't have to have involvement in order to be involved?

Again, I ask, How the hell are they going to do that?

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What's the point? You do a right turn and ignore all the witness testimony.

According to you, all of this goes in the wastebasket... All because Comer said Archer would directly implicate Biden.


Devon Archer testified that the value of adding Hunter Biden to Burisma’s board was “the brand” and confirmed that then-Vice President Joe Biden was “the brand.”

Archer admitted that “Burisma would have gone out of business if ‘the brand’ had not been attached to it.” He believed that Hunter Biden being on the board and the Biden brand contributed to Burisma’s longevity. People would have been intimidated to mess with Burisma legally because of the Biden brand.

In December 2015, Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma, and Vadym Pozharski, an executive of Burisma, placed constant pressure on Hunter Biden to get help from D.C. regarding the Ukrainian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin. Shokin was investigating Burisma for corruption. Hunter Biden, along with Zlochevsky and Pozharski, “called D.C.” to discuss the matter. Biden, Zlochevsky, and Pozharski stepped away to make the call. This raises concerns that Hunter Biden was in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

Devon Archer testified that Hunter Biden put then-Vice President Joe Biden on the speakerphone during business meetings over 20 times. Archer testified that Joe Biden was put on the phone to sell “the brand.” These phone calls include a dinner in Paris with a French energy company and in China with Jonathan Li, the CEO of BHR.

Archer acknowledged that then-Vice President Biden had coffee with Jonathan Li, the CEO of BHR, in Beijing. Then-Vice President Biden even wrote a letter of recommendation for college for Li’s daughter.

Archer confirmed Joe Biden was referred to as “my guy” by Hunter Biden.

In spring of 2014, then-Vice President Biden attended a business dinner with his son, Hunter, and his associates at Café Milano in Washington, D.C. Elena Baturina, a Russian oligarch who is the widow of the former mayor of Moscow, attended the dinner. Notably, the Biden Administration’s public sanctions list for Russian oligarchs does not contain Baturina.



None of that means anything "because Comer", right?

For a number of reasons I am not following closely at the moment and not able to post much -

That said - this post here isn't any sort of "gotcha" moment. There's way less here than say the Mueller Report. There's smoke. But nothing of substance.

The long time line posted - again, lots of smoke. Lot's of Hunter being a douche and name dropping and trying to piggee back of Daddy. I hope Hunter gets dinged for everything he's done that is unlawful. But nothing in either post is proof of anything regarding Sleepy Joe. Keep digging - I have no problem with that. I remember the angst shown towards investigating Trump - I forget what the wording was by many, but something like "an investigation in search of a crime" - or a fishing expedition... Whatever - I was fine with the highest positions in the land, appointed Supreme Justices or Politicians being investigated to the Nth degree. Left, Right, Center - they should all be held to the very highest and most transparent standard possible. But at this time I'm seeing more noise than substance with regrard to Joe B. And the noise I'm seeing is shockingly worse hearsay than anything Trump was investigated for - so there seems to be a massive double standard going on - not neccessarily you, but by the Right Wing Media machine which is no doubt where at least some of your 'facts' originate.


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There is, to date, no smoking gun. I'm not trying to say anything I posted is a smoking gun. There is a body of evidence. That's what I'm providing. Evidence of what? That is still to be determined.

My issue is with the inherent bias towards taking every shred, singularly, waving one's hand (seemingly in disbelief) and refusing to give any credence to the big picture. Also, 'facts' are facts whether they all add up or not. Everything I posted is a fact.

Last night there were texts released that show "Sleepy Joe" was sharing accounts with Hunter. That too will receive the same hand wave. "Well, that doesn't really prove he knew anything".

Lastly, I'm not sure a "double-standard" is anything more than an accurate description of the media machine at large. I mean, seriously, if Trump broke wind in public, I'm sure there would be a new indictment.


I noticed you've been mia, I hope all is well. If not, consider getting it off your chest here. Either in a post or pm. It never hurts to get some non-committal input or advice.

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Originally Posted by EveDawg
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The committee just put out a memo that said they don't have to show Joe Biden's direct involvement to prove he was directly involved. That's some direct whacked out BS to cover their own asses.


How the hell does that work?


All they have to do is follow the money. They have the bank records. They have Hunter's statements that he was paying Joe half the money.

Both of those would be direct evidence. But this far they lack such evidence.


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Indictments are based on actual evidence provided to a grand jury who had the charges explained to them in relationship to what constitutes a crime being committed. The grand jury then weighs the evidence and what needed to be done to commit that crime and decides whether there is enough evidence to go to trial. And they have. 91 times. And that's just against trump alone. While I was calling what was going on the "trump crime syndicate" more in jest to combat those on the right saying "the Biden crime family", come to find out a grand jury actually found enough evidence to charge his syndicate on the RICO act.


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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I can’t wait to see the evidence used in the charging of Biden… I bet it looks like the tooth-fairy or a leprechaun, straight from crap people make up land.

I really do wish GOPers would find something substantial; I’m getting tired of all the winning Biden brings us.

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