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I mostly came to ask about the LB group, what can be done besides wait for camp cuts. I’m not seeing many (any) options at LB that make sense to this team right now and I’m wondering how big a concern it’s going to be. We have 3 viable starter: JOK & Tony Fields at WILL and Anthony Walker at MIKE. JOK played 11 games last year, Walker played 3. Phillips is out and other than Fields I know nothing about the rest of the guys in that group. Any hidden jems in the group? I know Kunaszyk played last year but I can’t remember anything about him. I don’t remember any of their names being prominent during any camp or preseason game chatter.

Aside from LB, what are our most glaring weaknesses? Kicker? I’m actually feeling pretty good about most of the rest of the team but maybe I’m missing something.

You're forgetting Takitaki.

I don't put a lot of stock into preseason games but a few things did stand out to me. One is what a LB'ers duties are is based a lot on scheme. What I saw in that preseason game against Washington was that JOK was given latitude to read and react. Not so much an assignment to a player or area of the of the field but more to diagnose the play and react to what he is seeing. In order to make the full use of his skill set I think that's the way he should be used and should have been being used all along. And while he added some bulk during the off season it didn't really seem to impact his speed or reaction time.

It may very well be the scheme in and of itself may prove to be valuable in bringing out the best in the Browns LB'ers and show it hasn't been about being weak at the LB'er position as much as it is about the way they were being used in the past. Time will tell I suppose.

Ahh, you’re right, at SAM. And Adams, though I don’t have any idea about Adams, didn’t watch the Bears. Takitaki never impressed me much but he’s indeed there. Though I think he was another injury last year?

Diabate

- QB play ... we have the potential to have a good QB, but the verdict is out. We're going to go as Watson goes. He ran well the other night, but it's tough to tell other than that. I'm hesitant to think he'll be what we need him to be.

- Kicking game. York has all of the talent you need, but he's got the yips during games. He's gotta become more consistent 45 and in.

- LB corp. But we knew that coming into the season. We've really done a nice job upgrading the DL in front of them.

- Backup RB. At some point we need someone besides Chubb to give us a spark back there.

He did, Tore his ACL week 13

I remember his pick 6 for a large run against Wentz, which helped win that game. IIRC that was 2020

And the pick against Big Ben in the 4th quarter of the AFC Wild Card game which pretty much sealed the win for the Browns

With the kicker, I think people get too hung up on FG%. In many cases making even 1-2 more kicks makes the percentage look good enough. Had he made some of the blocked kicks his percentage would look better.

Don't forget about Jordan Kunaszyk,

Some quick replies to some of the comments:

Takitaki was playing some good ball last season until his injury. Solid linebacker, glad we kept him. Dependable tackler, seems smart and besides, my wife giggles whenever the announcers say his name.

Sooner or little we have to give J. Kelly Jr. a real shot. Surely to hell he can pick up a block in pass protection. What’s the problem here? The guy has looked good every time he’s been on the field.

I’m only a little worried about Cade York. My biggest worry about a weakness is our HC and his decisions. Kick the FG when it’s 0-0 in the first quarter, when you’re on the road and facing fourth and goal from the sixth.. I also would like to see Watson running less, just enough to install a fear on the opposing D. Last thing we need is for our $240 million dollar man to get hurt due to some BS RPO.

IMO, the fact we haven't given Kelly a shot is all we need to know. I think he lacks some burst and doesn't run north/south enough. I have no idea about his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield though.

Our weakness are the same as its been since berry took over, lack of playmakers on defense, particularly linebackers, no kicker an our depth isn't that great at quite a few positions. I still think Stefanski doing both HC/OC is a weakness because he's not great at either and its a matter of splitting duties and really being invested as a HC and looking at the team as a system. We will see this year, no excuses from Berry/Stefanski. Our drafts have been meh, but we've spent on proven players in FA and bringing in a good DC will help tremendously. Offense is stacked the best its ever been since 99, hell probably even farther back to the kosar days.. So if they falter this year, we will be rebuilding again with nothing to build with. But I actually anticipate a playoff season if we stay healthy. All indications are that the offense really works with Watson/Chubb leading the charge.

Is that possible with the "organization" holding him back?
I think, b/c
the "org" ,or HC, or whatever it is, couldn't maximize the other @uarterbacks, some regular contributer on here said it best about 2.6 years ago when after a regular or preseason game that in Case Keenum we had found another @uarterback that Head Coach couldn't win with.
Then Head coach couldn't win with Jacoby Brisset, but Jacoby was a known commodity with a low ceiling, and a history from indy,

WHOA , That all fits the latest RB they signed.... YIKES

But, back to your offensive philosophy ... and playcalling?... hurting your @uarterbacks game,

that is the real weakness
and no amount of adding talent can over trump bad coaching,
"nothing overtrumps bad coaching," > we learned that in about... 2006 ish, and that was almost 30 years ago.

ahem seventeen I mean.

Would you like to tell us what their record is? Saying they're the best since Marty isn't very high praise. I believe they're exactly two games over .500 at 26-24. I'm not sure that's the mountain I would wish to stand on.

I think a huge weakness is that this team
Has been unable to dictate tempo or impose
It's will on the other team.
When was the last time the Browns truly physically
Dominated a team at their level or above their
Level?
The Browns have had talent. The problem is
They never had the attitude of tenacity to make
The other team hurt. Too much softness in
The roster.

26-24 is also a fact. I'm not saying they're bad or that they haven't been at least somewhat hamstrung by the QB position. I believe they certainly have been. I also think that's a much more convincing argument than saying what your statement strongly implies which is, "They suck less than the incompetent idiots idiots that have been here since Marty left." With the exception of Bill Belichick of course who wasn't here long enough to amass a better record.

I would certainly say it's gotten to the point that it's put up or shut up time and I'm sure we both agree that we hope they put up.

whats also a fact is Dorsey had more to do with it than Berry did.. Until we go to playoffs and make deep runs consistently this staff sucks.. its up to them to prove otherwise..

LOL - Dorsey The Doof - hehehe...

Excellent
2nd point who on this board predicts the 29th draft pick surrendered to Houston this year?

Well Kevin Stefanski seat is getting hotter even in the preseason.

Dorsey to me was hot and cold. Some big hits with Ward & Chubb in the draft. Traded for Teller. But when you have 4 of the first 36 picks and you blow 2 of them, especially the #1 overall, that speaks volumes.

Cornerback, may be a weakness
The only sure corner is Greg Willliams and he is banged up.

Done, and it is refreshing to have new kicker admit Cleveland isn't made for FG success- SKI has reasons to use all four downs.

Now that we have a new PK I don't believe we have a glaring weakness. Some say LB but we have decent players there and don't forget we had a DC last season who wasn't playing schemes to our D players strengths and a D-line that couldn't stop the run and made it tougher for our LB's. The key? staying relatively healthy. If DW plays at 75% at the level he was, I think he'll be better than that, he'll be better than any QB we've had since Bernie. There is cause for some legit optimism. JMO

No glaring weakness?
It is the Browns, we are headed toward "opening day"

If it weren't for a final second kick, ... that EVEN AFTER, they had the most Dominant first half plus five minutes defensively, against the Carollina @uarterback last year, ... even after that,
that if it weren't for a final seconds kick, then you would be looking at about the 24th consecutive opening day loss with one outlier.

so, Can we put "offseason programs inability to get the team ready, or fired up, or in sync enough, or in somehow/someway ready to play a game at the start of the year"
as a weakness. A glaring weakness.

Can we put that, there is really Nothing New from the trio of Depo, The GM, and the Head Coach,
in 2023, from 2022, as a weakness,
they are doing the same thing they have done before, relying on analytics
making sure they have the right amount of players on the right amount of contracts and hoping that their in game analytic that will re@uire them,
in the best case scenario, to recover an onside kick late in the 4th to get a win, maybe twice, maybe two onside kicks,
or, to get that first down on 3rd and inches, when even if they gain 4 yards the refs will now say it's 4th and inches,
b/c the Browns Head Coach, can't try anything new, even if ya twist his arm.
so, making player contracts... instead of finding recipes' to win individual games. < as a weakness.

I am concerned that we:

Don't have a backup G on the roster...not just poor depth at G...NO depth at G...and no...I do not think that Harris or Wypler can effectively play G. I know Dunn can be called up...but that can only be done (3) times and he could be poached with ease. We are a twisted ankle away from having Harris protect our 1/4 billion $ man;

Didn't really see much (yet) from DW leading to the expectation that he will be back to his elite self;

Have a HC who is simply not HC material;

Won't be 'ready' for the start of the season.

the eighty five bears didn't, the 03 lions didn't, < that is an example of naming another team,
now
name another team, 'besides the 202I or 22 Browns' also led by Berry and Depo, that waited until fourteen days before the opener

to realize they didn't have any kicker at all.

when they could have figured it out during the entire offseason,

I think, that no other nfl team in history, that is or was not using these stupid analytics ever did such a bone headed thing, once, let alone twice in 4 years, i.e. Seibert to the Chicago bears guy.

but Berry is apparently above @uestioning that he's all that and a bag of chips as a gm.

Maybe they knew what they wanted to do sooner, but were waiting for a guy to get cut or the price to go down. Or they were hoping York would get it sorted out between the ears because he's a talented kid.

We got a historically above average kicker (% wise) for a future 7th. Much ado about nothing.

The '85 Bears had a rookie kicker that missed 6 FGs and then went 28/41 in '86. Just saying.

I believe Dunn is on the active roster now, I think it happened when they put Alex Wright on IR.

...I don't think Wright got put on IR. Last I heard, he was back practicing.

I think Dunn is still on the PS. Hurst was signed back to the active roster when the LB (K name I can't spell) went on IR.

I actually kind of want to see Hudson inside.

In history? History hell, it happened this year......

Veteran Kicker Nick Folk Excited About His New Opportunity with the Titans

Aug 31, 2023 at 03:58 PM

https://www.tennesseetitans.com/new...bout-his-new-opportunity-with-the-titans



And then there's the Bronco's trading to get Wil Lutz from the Saints also this year on august 29th. That's twice just this year.

this would be a welcomed experiment

I expect that Dunn will be a PS player called up to the 53 on gameday.