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YES, they are. I’ve only been screaming that on DT for what, 6 years? Stupid as the day is long.

I missed a lot? What are you saying, that it's OK to harm grand Jurors after the fact... That's fricking idiotic.

Dude went over the cliff a long time ago.

I'd feel horrible. And I'd want retribution.

I don't believe that their names should have been released. At least when it's clear that we have some of the dumbest people on the planet willing to do them harm all in the name of guy who thinks he's a god or king or something like that.

Trump has demonstrated that he has the power to call them off. He's not doing that. He's egging them on. If anything happens to any of them, he deserves to be held to account.

I'm thinking both you and Arch misread my comment.

Re-read what I posted. I think you missed the point.

Pretty sure I did from you response.
At the time, I thought it was an odd post from you.
Though I am still not sure what you were tying to say

I think what he's trying to say, and I agree with him, is that if they target anyone and everyone who had anything to do with trump being indicted, arrested or tried, it is a way of intimidating anyone who might do the same now or in the future. To me that would include potential witnesses in all of trump's upcoming trials.

So far they've threatened members of the grand jury, the judges and the prosecutors. Georgia law compels their legal system to include the names of people in the grand jury in the indictment. That's something I think they should rethink. They used that information to dig up their addresses, their pictures and even their professional information and post it on far right web sites.

I don't see where arch dud anything to advocate that behavior, just explain it. Or maybe I was reading it wrong myself.

I would definitely agree with that but got the opposite from the original post.

I can see why you might be reading it that way. I just took it to be from a different direction. Who knows?

What I was attempting to say is, the die is cast, the jurors already did their job. Trying to intimidate them now is worthless. So any attacks on them are TOO LATE

Considering the trump brigade are still pointing at Hillary’s personal email server. I wouldn’t expect them to stop beating any dead horses they come across.

I would agree with you when one looks at it from a micro level. If you look at it only from the angle of them as having done their job already.

On a macro level it's shows everyone that no matter what you might do, are going to do or might do in the future, if it's against trump there will be consequences to pay from his supporters. It's a message to anyone who may be future jurors in the upcoming court cases against trump. It's a message to future potential witnesses in upcoming court cases against trump. When looking at it big picture it's pure intimidation and a message moving forward to detour anyone and everyone who may rule against trump or testify against trump.

Still, they are done and can no longer affect any outcome. It's all an attempt to intimidate. That's Trumps whole thing. And it follows that his supporters think the same way.

Intimidation of judges and jurors is an attack on the country's judicial system.

There must be a response that this will not be tolerated. It is the foundation of law and order.

I don't know what can be done other than tracking phone calls by law enforcement. At some point trump needs to be held accountable. trump should be informed that he will be held accountable. That he needs to inform his followers through his platform to stop threatening people who are there to perform their civic duty.

It is atrocious that this thug is not currently behind bars. This is like the Mafia in Italy or El Chapo the Mexican drug lord.

Wake up America not woke. trump is a criminal and belongs behind bars.

He wouldn't even tell his supporters to stop assaulting police officers on Jan. 6th. He's not going to tell them to stop doing anything that undermines our legal system. He will only tell them to do things he believes will support himself.

There is no misconception about trump and who he is.

There is the law. He has violated the terms of his release.

The four grand juries that made the decision to indict him. Need to set conditions that are iron clad regarding what can be said in regard to his cases outside the courtroom. Violation of any conditions should be enforced with immediate incarceration.

This country cannot be held hostage by this punk thug.

Here are the conditions on his $200k bail.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ps-bond-200000-georgia-case/70645363007/

He agreed.

"Go ahead punk. Make my day."

Nicole Wallace had a piece on the violence and threats being perpetrated by the right today. They’ve attacked libs, lgbtq, teachers, pro choice supporters, all of our institutions, law enforcement, judges, lawyers, prosecutors, witnesses, election workers, woke companies, minorities and immigrants, BLM, and basically anyone and everyone who would hold them accountable or who disagrees with their dystopian world views. She asked,(paraphrasing) “What do regular Americans do when they go so far and when do we put a STOP to it all?”

The entire MAGA movement is a cancer on the US.

The maga people read this as normalizing violence. trump promotes it and they follow his lead.

trump needs to go to prison. He is a cancer. He will go down in history as such.

I just have a hard time believing that anyone would or could ignore all the evidence right in front of them that Trump did indeed do the things he's accused of.

How do they ignore his call to find 11,780 votes. HOW? He had secret documents in Mar A Lago... HOW do the ignore that?

What type of ignorant fool just decides, it's not real?

I'm all for him having an opportunity to defend himself but damn, this is hard to overlook.

Four unrelated grand juries decided to indict trump.

They don't make those decisions unless there is conclusive proof. You don't put an ex president on trial to lose.

He is guilty. He knows he is guilty. Now justice matters.

It's actually not quite that simple. While I do understand what you're saying and I believe just the things we do know are very revealing, there is a lot of evidence that we don't know about. And it's also quite true that federal prosecutors have a very high conviction rate. But the duty of a grand jury is not to have "conclusive proof" with which it would take to convict a defendant. Their duty is to decide if they believe there is enough evidence that it's worthy of moving to trial. Those are two totally different thresholds.

Often times a grand jury isn't even shown all of the evidence. Prosecutors in many instances only show a grand jury enough of the evidence to try to meet the threshold of what they need to convince a grand jury that it is worthy of prosecuting the charges they are bringing forward.

And I think we have to remember, all it takes is one juror that can slip into the jury pool that would never convict trump under any circumstances to cause a mistrial. As much as many would like to see this as cut and dry, it's most certainly not.

There will most likely be many motions brought forward to suppress certain evidence and we have no idea how a judge will rule on motions the defense brings forward. I'm sure both trump as well as his co-defendants will be trying to put this trial off as long as possible hoping against hope he will win the 2024 election so they will all be pardoned before they could ever spend a day in jail. And as much as many find that frustrating when that's your only real hope it is the smartest thing they all could do considering their situation.

Georgia Republican lawmaker moves to impeach Trump prosecutor Fani Willis

State senator Colton Moore calls for review of Fulton county district attorney’s actions after indictment of ex-president

A Republican state senator in Georgia has moved to impeach the Fulton county district attorney, Fani Willis.

The move comes in the wake of Willis’s delivery of a 41-count indictment against the former president Donald Trump and his operatives on state racketeering and conspiracy charges over efforts to reverse Trump’s 2020 presidential election loss in the state.

On Thursday, Colton Moore wrote a letter to Governor Brian Kemp in which he called for an emergency review of Willis’s actions.

“We, the undersigned … hereby certify to you … that in our opinion an emergency exists in the affairs of the state, requiring a special session to be convened … for all purposes, to include, without limitation, the review and response to the actions of Fani Willis,” Moore wrote.

Moore, who represents senate district 53, posted his letter on Twitter alongside the caption: “As a Georgia state senator, I am officially calling for an emergency session to review the actions of Fani Willis.

“America is under attack. I’m not going to sit back and watch as radical left prosecutors politically TARGET political opponents,” he added.

In a statement reported by the rightwing media outlet Breitbart, Moore said: “We must strip all funding and, if appropriate, impeach Fani Willis.”

Moore appears to have also launched a website for the official petition of Willis.

“Corrupt district attorney Fani Willis is potentially abusing her position of power by pursuing former president Donald J Trump, and I am calling on my colleagues in the Georgia legislature to join me in calling for an emergency session to investigate and review her actions and determine if they warrant impeachment.

“The politically motivated weaponization of our justice system at the expense of taxpayers will not be tolerated. I am demanding that we defund her office until we find out what the hell is going on. We cannot stand idly by as corrupt prosecutors choose to target their political opposition,” the website read underneath a headline of “God. Guns. Liberty. Leadership.”

Moore’s announcement triggered praise from several conservatives online, with one person writing: “Finally a Republican with courage. So refreshing to see someone FIGHT instead of sit back and say ‘there’s nothing we can do.’”

Another user wrote: “Finally, a Republican with a backbone.”

“Republicans who walk the walk are my kind of Republicans,” someone else wrote.

Following Willis’s delivery of the 41-count indictment, the Fulton county district attorney, who is African American, has faced a wave of racist abuse online including from Trump, who, using a thinly veiled play on the N-word, wrote on Truth Social: “They never went after those that Rigged the Election … They only went after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/17/republican-georgia-moves-impeach-fani-willis

Are there no depths they won't sink to?

And he'll still be the nominee to boot.

Bro- their basements have no floors. Just a big, very deep hole that reeks of Sulphur.

Georgia’s fake electors acted at Trump’s direction, indicted ex-GOP chair says

David Shafer, former chairman of the Georgia Republican Party and one of the 19 defendants in the Georgia election interference case, argued Monday that he and other Republican fake electors acted at former President Trump's behest in the case.

Why it matters: As defendants in the sprawling case begin to turn themselves in ahead of the Friday deadline, Shafer's position signals that some may be posed to turn on the former president.

State of play: "Mr. Shafer and the other Republican Electors in the 2020 election acted at the direction of the incumbent President and other federal officials," Shafer's lawyers wrote in the court filing Monday.

"Attorneys for the President and Mr. Shafer specifically instructed Mr. Shafer, verbally and in writing, that the Republican electors' meeting and casting their ballots on December 14, 2020 was consistent with counsels' advice and was necessary to preserve the presidential election contest," they added.

Shafer — like co-defendants Mark Meadows and Jeffrey Clark —is seeking to have his state-level case moved to federal court, where his case would be presided over by a federal judge and have a potentially more sympathetic jury pool.

The big picture: Shafer presented himself as the "chairperson" of the Electoral College of Georgia and filed a fake slate of 16 pro-Trump electors in Dec. 2020, per the New York Times.

Shafer is facing eight charges in the indictment handed down by an Atlanta grand jury last week, including false statements and writings, forgery in the first degree, and impersonating a public officer.

What to watch: Trump indicated on Monday that he'll surrender to Fulton County authorities on Thursday.

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/22/ge...bqgyTrXcxffs5rVu_pWq-QvEv4OtoxcGOvFrXRIc

While his statement certainly claims it was trump attorney's that instructed him on what to do, there is nothing that proves those instructions came directly from trump himself. As we saw in the example of the Stormy Daniels case, trump will use his attorneys to do the dirty work putting a layer of protection between himself and the actual wrongdoing. This is one of the reasons why I'm trying to caution liberals about having such high expectations on the outcome.

A jury of peers will decide and as you stated that could go sideways easily.

However, they have been working on this for two years. One would have to believe that they have the goods.

What is repulsive is jury intimidation. I know the process has to play out and there will be many challenges. Big money buys highly paid lawyers. The water will get muddy.

I am just a citizen who wants justice. I hope truth and justice prevails.

This year’s winner of the Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Awards award goes to…



Book him Danno.

" this isn't fair. I have very small hands it would only be a matter of time before I would drop my soap"

Sucks that he didn’t get to spend a night with Bubba… but at least he suffered a little.

A former president of My Nation just got fingerprinted, and subjected himself to an official mug shot.


U.S.A.
We're Number One.

Lock him up! Lock him up!

I love the 'defiant glower.'
It's so stereotypically straight-up Ganksta.


As much as he might try to make this picture fit the persona he's tried to ride for 8+ years...
... it's still a mug shot, taken...
...at a County Jail.


...just like The Central Park Five, who were "presumed innocent, until found guilty"...


____________________


The former President of The United States of America:
Perp-walked.
Finger printed.
Mug-shot.

...just like Willie Horton.





"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."


I was raised to never gloat in victory, whine in defeat, or wade in the waters of Schadenfreude...
...but even My Parents would elicit a wry smile at the irony of this s#.


#thuglyfe
#streetcred
#ifoughthelaw;law won
#mugshot


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If trump the Thug cared just a wee bit about the United States.

He would drop out of the race. Allow the Republican Party to get behind a new candidate.

But he doesn't care and has never cared. He will continue to run. He has to because he is a coward and in his warped mind.
He is running with the idea that he can pardon himself from all these crimes that he is guilty of.

The orange rat has backed himself into a corner.

Now it is time that justice should prevail and should put his ass in stir.

I echo this. At first, I thought it might be a little humorous to see a Trump mugshot, but when I actually saw it, my primary emotion was definitely sadness at the state of affairs of what our politics have become.

First Elon came out with "X formerly known as Twitter".

Then Trump had to one up him and became "Inmate #01135809 formerly known as Donald Trump.

This was truly yet another sad day for our nation.

And once again crickets from the trump brigade.

And here they go again......

House Judiciary Committee launches inquiry into Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis

The Republican-led House Judiciary Committee has opened a congressional investigation into Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, a development that was first reported by CNN and comes the same day Trump is slated to surrender at the county jail after being charged for participating in schemes to meddle with Georgia’s 2020 election results.

The committee sent a letter to Willis on Thursday asking whether she communicated or coordinated with the Justice Department, who has indicted Trump twice on two separate cases, or used federal dollars to complete her investigation that culminated in the fourth indictment of Trump. The questions from Republicans about whether Willis used federal funding in her state-level investigation mirrors the same line of inquiry that Republicans used to probe Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who indicted Trump in New York earlier this year for falsifying business records to cover up an alleged hush money scheme.

In the letter to Willis, House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan, an Ohio Republican, laid out why he believes his panel has jurisdiction over the state-level probe and accused Willis of being politically motivated, noting she set up a new campaign fundraising website days before the indictment came down and complained that she required mugshots for those charged – including Trump – which had not been the practice in his previous three indictments.

“You did not bring charges until two-and-a-half years later, at a time when the campaign for the Republican presidential nomination is in full swing,” Jordan wrote. “Moreover, you have requested that the trial in this matter begin on March 4, 2024, the day before Super Tuesday and eight days before the Georgia presidential primary.”

Jordan gave Willis a September 7 deadline to hand over any documents or communication related to their request.

The Fulton County DA’s office declined to comment. But Willis has previously denied that she coordinated with Special Counsel Jack Smith’s office and has consistently defended her investigation against accusations that it was politically motivated.

Meanwhile, Georgia Republicans could launch their own state-level investigation into Willis’ probe, according to GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, who has spoken to top officials in the state about a potential probe. She also told CNN earlier this week that she was pushing for a congressional-led inquiry into Willis.

“I’m going to be talking to Jim Jordan, (House Oversight Chair) Jamie Comer, and I’d like to also ask (Speaker) Kevin McCarthy his thoughts on looking at doing an investigation if there is a collaboration or conspiracy of any kind between the Department of Justice and Jack Smith’s special counsel’s office with the state DA’s,” Greene told CNN. “So, I think that could be a place of oversight.”

It all amounts to a familiar playbook for House Republicans, who have been quick to try to use their congressional majority – which includes the ability to launch investigations, issue subpoenas and restrict funding – to defend the former president and offer up some counter programming amid his mounting legal battles. But they’ve also run into some resistance in their extraordinary efforts to intervene in ongoing criminal matters, while there are questions about what jurisdiction they have over state-level investigations.
Keeping the spotlight on Biden

As their target list on behalf of Trump grows, House Republicans are also cranking up the heat on their own investigations into the Biden family.

Just this week, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy vowed to move ahead with an impeachment inquiry of President Joe Biden after the House returns from August recess if the Biden administration does not turn over more documents and information related to the Republican led investigations related to Hunter Biden – the strongest sign yet that House Republicans are poised to launch an impeachment inquiry of the president.

A McCarthy spokesperson did not respond to CNN’s request for comment to elaborate on the speaker’s remark that opening an impeachment inquiry hinged on whether committees received the “bank statements, the credit card statements and other” documents they were asking for.

House Oversight chair James Comer has subpoenaed six banks for information regarding specific Biden family business associates, received testimony from Hunter Biden’s associates and reviewed hundreds of suspicious activity reports related to the Biden family at the Treasury Department. The Kentucky Republican has not yet subpoenaed bank records from Biden family members themselves. He boasted in June on Fox Business that “every subpoena that I have signed as chairman of the House Oversight Committee over the last five months, we’ve gotten 100% of what we’ve requested, whether it’s with the FBI, or with banks, or with Treasury.”

The House Judiciary chair, GOP Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio, just subpoenaed four individuals involved in the Hunter Biden criminal probe and has requested a number of documents and interviews pertaining to special counsel David Weiss’ ongoing criminal investigation.

There is still some skepticism among more moderate Republicans, however, about whether they should be trying to intervene in ongoing investigations and whether an impeachment inquiry is warranted.

Behind the scenes, members of the House Judiciary panel, who would help oversee an impeachment inquiry, have recently been discussing how all signs are pointing towards the House launching one in short order.

“We had even some of our more moderate members saying that the oversight wasn’t serious if the next step wasn’t an impeachment inquiry,” Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, a top Trump surrogate and Judiciary panel member, told CNN about a recent committee call. “There was great interest among my Judiciary colleagues to really include and involve everyone in the conference. There’s a real desire to get everyone on board and go through the evidence with those who might remain skeptical.”

Trump’s allies have called for Congress to expunge Trump’s two previous impeachments, a move that has sparked pushback by many even among House Republicans.

Greene, who spoke with McCarthy on Tuesday, said she doesn’t think the votes are there yet for expunging Trump’s previous two impeachments, even as the former president continues to promote the idea on Truth Social. But she said, “I think the impeachment inquiry looks very, very good.”

“He is spending the recess talking about it constantly,” Greene added of McCarthy. “I really feel strongly that that’s something that’s going to happen.”
House GOP lays groundwork against Fulton County

Even before Trump’s indictment in Fulton County his congressional allies were laying the groundwork to take aim at Willis and broader election laws.

GOP Rep. Russell Fry of South Carolina introduced a longshot bill earlier this year to give current and former presidents and vice presidents the ability to move their civil or criminal cases from a state court to a federal court as the investigation in Fulton County was ongoing. Fry introduced the bill shortly after Trump was indicted by Bragg on more than 30 counts related to business fraud.

The Judiciary Committee, which has jurisdiction over Fry’s bill, is examining ways to move this bill forward and schedule a markup, two sources familiar with the process told CNN.

Fry, who tweeted shortly after the Fulton County indictment that the outcome underscores the need for his bill, said in a statement to CNN, “these rogue prosecutors shouldn’t be able to wield unwarranted power and target our nation’s top leaders for their political agendas.”

Separately, the House Committee on Administration has been working on a conservative election integrity package that Republicans are calling “transformative,” but Democrats frame as “designed to appease extremist election deniers.”

Republicans argue the bill gives states the tools to strengthen voter integrity, implement selection reforms in Washington, DC, and protects conservatives’ political speech. Democrats, meanwhile, contest the legislation attacks the freedom to vote, burdens election workers and creates less transparency in elections.

One of the nine hearings that Republicans held on the bill, which recently passed out of committee and is ready for a floor vote in the House, was held last month in Atlanta.

The top Democrat on the panel, Rep. Joe Morelle of New York, accused Republicans of playing defense for Trump through the field hearing, which Republicans have said was not the case.

“One might ask, why are we here in Georgia? The answer is simple. We’re here because in 2020, Joe Biden won and Donald Trump lost. There was no widespread voter fraud in Georgia, there were no suitcases full of fake ballots, no voting machines changed any votes. In fact, we know of only one possible crime that took place, because it was recorded on tape,” Morelle said.

Democrats on the House Oversight Committee have also accused their Republican counterparts of coinciding the release of key interview transcripts with days consumed by Trump’s legal woes, according to a recent memo released by Democratic committee staff.

An Oversight Committee spokesperson said in a statement to CNN, “to be clear, there was absolutely no connection between the transcript releases and anything else covered in the news.”

The types of moves Republicans made on behalf of Trump in the wake of the Fulton County indictment are not necessarily new. After Trump was indicted by the Department of Justice in two separate cases, Greene called for Congress to defund Smith’s office, who is overseeing the two federal indictment cases, and House Freedom Caucus members issued a statement Monday that they would not support even a short-term government spending bill that does not address what they see as the weaponization of the Department of Justice.

Gaetz recently introduced a resolution to censure and condemn the judge presiding over Trump’s federal indictment in the 2020 election subversion case.

Despite the partisan back and forth, Trump’s Capitol Hill allies remain unfazed. But, not all Republicans have bought into the Trump defensive strategy.

“Nobody is paying attention other than the people who are obsessed with Trump,” a senior Republican lawmaker told CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/24/politics/house-republican-conference-trump-defense/index.html

This is what weaponization looks like

Actually we should have avoided all this BS by prosecuting the law on trumps first impeachment. But no, the Goper lead Senate refused to prosecute the obvious.