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It's 4:12pm and this is the 53 man roster listed on the Browns website: link
Browns' initial 53-man roster by position:
Quarterbacks (2): Dorian Thompson-Robinson, Deshaun Watson
Running backs (3): Nick Chubb, Jerome Ford, Pierre Strong Jr.
Wide receivers (6): David Bell, Amari Cooper, Marquise Goodwin, Elijah Moore, Donovan Peoples-Jones, Cedric Tillman
Tight ends (3): Jordan Akins, Harrison Bryant, David Njoku
Offensive linemen (9): Joel Bitonio, Jack Conklin, Nick Harris, James Hudson III, Dawand Jones, Ethan Pocic, Wyatt Teller, Jedrick Wills Jr., Luke Wypler
Defensive linemen (9): Jordan Elliott, Myles Garrett, Shelby Harris, Siaki Ika, Isaiah McGuire, Ogbo Okoronkwo, Za'Darius Smith, Dalvin Tomlinson, Alex Wright
Linebackers (7): Matthew Adams, Mohamoud Diabate, Tony Fields II, Jordan Kunaszyk, Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Sione Takitaki, Anthony Walker Jr.
Defensive backs (11): D'Anthony Bell, Grant Delpit, M.J. Emerson Jr., Mike Ford Jr., A.J. Green, Ronnie Hickman, Rodney McLeod, Cameron Mitchell, Greg Newsome II, Juan Thornhill, Denzel Ward
Specialists (3): Corey Bojorquez, Dustin Hopkins, Charley Hughlett
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I think this decision is a clear indicator of the stark difference between how this team is being ran now verses in the past.
Before, I think they would have sided with keeping the younger WR with high potential rather than a 32 year old that has shown limited production over the past four years. And in this case I really wish they would have. I mean Goodwin is a decent WR but it's not as if he's going to light it up. He hasn't caught more than 27 passes in a season or caught for over 400 yards in those past four seasons either.
But he certainly has NFL experience. There is certainly a lot of film on the guy showing him having success against top NFL competition covering him in the secondary. Some actual proof he can compete against the best. That's something they don't have with Watkins.
In years past I think they may very well have went with the young guy with upside rather than stick with a 32 year old with limited potential. But when you're playing for now rather than trying to build a roster for the future, your strategy changes. The strategy does change. We aren't looking so much at what a player can do for us in 2-3 years. It's more about who can help in the next game. Goodwin still has the Jets and that is something our other receivers don't have. If Goodwin can get a safety leaning his way over the top, it opens a lot of the middle. Watson has a strong arm. It doesn't hurt to have a receiver who can go and run under a deep ball.
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Glad to see this. I want to see more of his game. Any feel for his upside, Dawgs?
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Glad to see Hickman made it! His flashes impressed me. Seems pretty calm and steady. I had a sense we were better prepared responsibly ready to play D. We have had a scoring defense. I am impressed with their demeanor, seen some lightning, waiting on a thundering swagger.
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Andrew Berry cut Austin Watkins, the Browns best WR of 2023 preseason ...a young receiver who led the Browns in receptions, yards and touchdowns in preseason. Watkins is a 25 yr old, 6-2/209lb WR with excellent hands and proved to be durable.
Goodwin has done NOTHING for the Browns in the preseason, but try to heal his "blood clots"...plus he's a going to 33 yrs old in Nov. and is smallish in size, 5-9, 185 WR who ran 4.27-40 many years ago.
Goodwin catches about half the passes targeted toward him. Goodwin's injury history over the last 2 yrs is below:
MARQUISE GOODWIN INJURY HISTORY (2021-2022)
Shoulder & wrist strain....Week 15 (2022)....Games missed-2
Groin strain....Week 8 (2022)....Games missed-1
Back strain....Week 4 (2022)....Games missed-0
Knee sprain....Week 4 (2022)....Games missed 1
Foot injury....Week 12 (2021)....Games missed 3
Hopefully Andrew Berry will get lucky and get Watkins on the practice squad. Berry open for criticism due to this move. Let's hope it works out ok for the Browns..!
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When will we know if Watkins cleared waivers and we can put him on our PS?
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Overall, no huge surprises as far as the 53 goes. Thought Watkins would, but other than that no real shocks imo.
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Andrew Berry cut Austin Watkins, the Browns best WR of 2023 preseason ...a young receiver who led the Browns in receptions, yards and touchdowns in preseason. Watkins is a 25 yr old, 6-2/209lb WR with excellent hands and proved to be durable.
Goodwin has done NOTHING for the Browns in the preseason, but try to heal his "blood clots"...plus he's a going to 33 yrs old in Nov. and is smallish in size, 5-9, 185 WR who ran 4.27-40 many years ago.
Goodwin catches about half the passes targeted toward him. Goodwin's injury history over the last 2 yrs is below:
MARQUISE GOODWIN INJURY HISTORY (2021-2022)
Shoulder & wrist strain....Week 15 (2022)....Games missed-2
Groin strain....Week 8 (2022)....Games missed-1
Back strain....Week 4 (2022)....Games missed-0
Knee sprain....Week 4 (2022)....Games missed 1
Foot injury....Week 12 (2021)....Games missed 3
Hopefully Andrew Berry will get lucky and get Watkins on the practice squad. Berry open for criticism due to this move. Let's hope it works out ok for the Browns..!
I don't know if that would be excessive. I don't hear you complaining about Hospital ward missing multiple games a season The bottom line is it was determined that Goodwin would give us more help this year. I will also add that it isn't over just yet. I liked Watkins as well. It may not be over for his return. I'll also add that i don't think Goodwin is who bumped Watkins off the roster. I think it was Ventrone and or Schwartz. I think it came down to Diabate or Watkins. In the end it was determined that Diabate was going to have a bigger impact. I don't think Watkins was going to help special teams and the D. Both areas that needed to improve.
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I'll also add that i don't think Goodwin is who bumped Watkins off the roster. I think it was Ventrone and or Schwartz. I think it came down to Diabate or Watkins. In the end it was determined that Diabate was going to have a bigger impact. I don't think Watkins was going to help special teams and the D. Both areas that needed to improve. solid point!
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I don't know if that would be excessive. I don't hear you complaining about Hospital ward missing multiple games a season
The bottom line is it was determined that Goodwin would give us more help this year. I will also add that it isn't over just yet. I liked Watkins as well. It may not be over for his return.
You want to start a Ward thread, go for it...btw, I'm not in love with Ward either.
Any way we try to justify Berry's "boneheaded" move to cut Austin Watkins and while keeping the aging, often injured Goodwin who's catch % is around 50%...iow, he catches about half the passes that are thrown to him over his 9 yr career.
Andrew Berry has an issue where he falls in love with some players even if those players suck on the field. I say forget the analytics and stop watch and put more emphasis on a player's performance on the field.
I'm also very concerned about the quality of the Browns OLine depth...but that's just me.
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So, I skipped almost all of preseason. But I would like to know how everyone feels about our chances at this point?
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So, I skipped almost all of preseason. But I would like to know how everyone feels about our chances at this point? lots of injuries 7-10 Some Injuries 10-7 no injuries 12-5
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The d might be special. Hope so
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Looks like most of the draft choices made it.
Tillman, Jones, McGuire, Jones, DTR, Mitchell. Congratulations
Looks like a couple of UDFA made the 53.
Diabate and Hickman. No surprise there, but I was rooting for Watkins as well.
Teams reshuffle the practice squad, so we may see an unknown player there. Derek Anderson wound up a Brown that way.
There will be no playoffs. Can’t play with who we have out there and compounding it with garbage playcalling and worse execution. We don’t have good skill players on offense period. Browns 20 - Bears 17.
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Yep, no telling on the PS. We will try to get some of our cuts back and you never know who we have our eye on from other teams. Probably mostly guys we had on previous years draft boards who we never got a chance to sign.
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I don't know if that would be excessive. I don't hear you complaining about Hospital ward missing multiple games a season
The bottom line is it was determined that Goodwin would give us more help this year. I will also add that it isn't over just yet. I liked Watkins as well. It may not be over for his return.
You want to start a Ward thread, go for it...btw, I'm not in love with Ward either.
Any way we try to justify Berry's "boneheaded" move to cut Austin Watkins and while keeping the aging, often injured Goodwin who's catch % is around 50%...iow, he catches about half the passes that are thrown to him over his 9 yr career.
Andrew Berry has an issue where he falls in love with some players even if those players suck on the field. I say forget the analytics and stop watch and put more emphasis on a player's performance on the field.
I'm also very concerned about the quality of the Browns OLine depth...but that's just me. Tough calls have to be made. Goodwin brings the speed a team likes to have to help stretch things on the vertical. In the end I don't think it was Goodwin or any of the other receivers who bounced Watkins off the 53. I think it was Diabate or Hickman. Probably more Hickman. Diabate got a pretty sizeable signing bonus to sign with us as a UDFA. I think it was 5th round money. In the end both of those guys will be able to make immediate contributions on special teams for sure and possibly the D as a whole. Both of those areas needed more help than the WR did. At best Watkins was only going to see very limited action this season. I also think the teams feels that Watkins has the best chance to clear waivers. The guy is already 25 which is nearing that barrier age of 30 for wide receivers. We have to remember, our philosophy, or roster strategy has changed. Gone are the days where projecting guys 2-3 years down the road have taken a back seat to how can a player help todays team? That's what happens when you establish a pretty solid roster and are looking at winning today more than developing players for the future.
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Good points Peen.
Keep in mind, when the roster and depth gets stronger the roster cuts become harder to make. Especially when it comes to the end of the depth chart. There are various reasons to keep a player over another. Examples: salary cap implications, vet leadership or experience over youth (or that can be reversed depending on the team building scenario), versatility of the player.
I’m not saying it is right or wrong regarding certain players, but you need versatility at some positions. The more versatile the playbook can be the more different looks and defensive keys the defense has to account pre-snap and substitutions.
Our receivers:
Cooper 6-1 211lbs
DPJ 6-2 204
Tillman 6-3 215
Bell 6-1 212
Moore 5-10 180
Goodwin 5-9 185
I’m not seeing all these “smallish” WRs on the roster. I’m seeing a WR roster with a lot of different skill sets. These WRs specialize in different areas of the whole the field; short, crossing/underneath, medium, and deep.
Soon we will see how they will perform on the field compared on paper.
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IMO when you look at receivers you look at them individually and then spatially inside the offense.
How will the passing game attack the field? Included in the receiver unit is the TE's.
The 2023 offensive scheme is no longer beginning with the base set 12 personnel. We are not going to be what we were before. Line up with two or three TE's, under center using play action. The base set will be 11 personnel out of shotgun.
That means 4 receivers in space. Cooper and DPJ outside, Moore in the slot. Njoku at TE. It will act like a defense in quarters. Each receiver will attack an area of the field.
We will also go empty backfield with four wideouts where Goodwin goes vertical.
The 2023 Browns will be a passing offense. DW will run the offense and have the ability to call plays at the line. We will also use DW as a designated runner with RPO options.
DW will act like a point guard and distribute the ball. Ideally the attack will be diverse with even distribution. Nick will get plenty of touches but they will come in different ways. He will get screens. He will get checkdowns on delays. We will also incorporate plays under center where we will use play action and rollouts. Not unlike the old plays with Baker.
This offense IMO will be what KS has always wanted to run but could not. He adjusted to fit the quarterback he had to work with.
DW is not limited in any way. He is like the queen on a chessboard.
It should be fun to watch.
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hopefully Dunn and Hurst are back after injury designations .... and let's hope York and Watkins pass through unclaimed
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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If we are to win this season we to get rid of York but I think we will put him on the practice squad cause I heard in camp he made 99% of his FG tries.
I expect to see Dunn back as he is the 6th man.
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Agreed Bone.
Your post is a great breakdown of the point I was trying to make.
And what “should happen” is those weapons should cause issues (confusion) with the different levels of the defense. Does the safety roll to one side? How good are the other teams nickel and dime? Do they switch or stay with their man? Is a LB exposed to a WR/TE? All things the receivers and QB need to decipher.
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Why did you put blood clots in quotes?
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Since the 86/87 season this season offers the best hope we have had.
It should be really fun to watch because of their "potential."
It still has to happen on the field. We all know how good the division and the AFC is.
As a fan it is exciting. I am kind of in fan heaven. The Braves enter September as the best team in baseball. I don't miss a game. We face the Dodgers this weekend with the best record in the NL on the line. Plus the MVP race between two Braves Acuna and Olson and two Dodgers Betts and Freeman.
Post season baseball on the horizon.
The Browns beginning the 2023 season. We open against the division favorites the Bengals at home. Let's get ready to Rumble.
I am glad we face the Bengals. If we want to be the best. We have to beat the best. I want the competition.
It would be super cool to come out firing and take the Bengals down.
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So in your wisdom you have concluded that Watkins playing against second and third string NFL players, some of which I am sure were also cut this week, means more than a body of evidence against top NFL talent. Got it.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Schwartz may be back indeed lol
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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#Browns are expected to put together their 16-player practice squad this afternoon. Many players recently released are expected to return.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Why did you put blood clots in quotes?
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If we are to win this season we to get rid of York but I think we will put him on the practice squad cause I heard in camp he made 99% of his FG tries.
I heard that alot too, but then you stuff like this:
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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and that story on York is WILD
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Waiver claims.
No Brown cut was claimed.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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