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I was panicked last year by week 16-17 ... and he's no better now. It's red alert time for me. He seems like he can't read a defense, has no confidence or consistency.

For every good play he has, there are 3 bad ones

Any chance the Jets would consider Watson for Dalvin Cook trade? LOL

I've seen people say "we need to just play to his strengths for the time being" ... what ARE his strengths?

Watson is terrible. As soon as it became clear last year that he had no idea what to do once he dropped back in the pocket I had a bad feeling this is where it would end up. It was the same issue with Baker. Reading a defense pre snap means nothing. Knowing where to go with the ball post snap is literally the difference between winning and losing. It got no better in preseason and the Eagles practice. We are stuck unless Watson gets hurt and DTR gets in. He showed how to play the QB position post snap.

If there is any optimism at all its the defense. They are legit good. They need to accept putting it all on their shoulders. Browns can make the playoffs with this defense. But they need to accept the challenge. Not hang their heads in typical Browns fashion.

The Steelers are not a good team. Competent QB play and we blow the Steeleers out last night. Disappointing we cannot get to 2-0 ever.

agreed ... his post-snap QB play is atrocious. You gotta just go straight gun from now on to eliminate that process and simplify it.

No longer are we a running team

j/c...

we are 2-0 with Baker, Brissett, Holcomb, Couch, Garcia, Anderson, etc

No way we are 2-0 with Baker. He has the same issue as Watson. Brissett would be a toss up but likely not 2-0 there either. Couch is the only one as long as it is early in his career couch before he got pulverized.

Do you think the Bucs have a better team than the Browns?

I honestly don't want to continue to refer to his past history but his latest under pressure match moments behavior has similarites with his off the field behavior with all these women who, if I put it nicely, accused him of inappropriate behavior.

Either his thought process isn't good enough or when he's under stress he tend to make "dumb" decisions without value the consequences into consideration.

There're too many times where he has lost his composure for it to be a coincidence. Combine that with Stefanski's lack of leadership and Deshauns fully guarantee salary and you have a unmanageable situation with almost zero financial accountability and limited power to correct a unattainable leadership situation. Either we need a new HC with better leadersship skills or we sooner or later need to cut ties with a underperforming and highly overpaid franchise QB. I personally is much more in favor of letting Stefanski go than Watson but keeping both seems to not be the best way forward based on both past history.

Is there any viable way to get out of his contract without having to gut the team? Possible to eat the remainder of his contract with restructuring of other contracts?

There is a great article on this on the OBR this morning.

And yes, the article has come out 8 games into Watson's career with the Browns.

Baker has done just enough to NOT lose in 2 games, so I guess it's an argument... either way these comparisons are going away after he plays the Eagles.

So the way that reads we are stuck with him.

Yes.
We are 100% on the hook for ALL of that money, so there is no way at all we dump him early and allow him to go get another contract.
Plus, there's probably zero chance that we could absorb the acceleration of all unaccounted for prorated bonus money, even if we gutted the team.

We are stuck with this.

Imagine being Berry and being thrust into the Watson decision ... and putting together this great roster, and then watching that disaster last night

Hari kari is still an honorable option.... or resignation. Whichever.

The Browns would have to cover Watsons salary as well.

I'd be ok with that. Lol

Watson isn't an NFL QB he's a thrower, he needs to be in the shotgun where he can see the field during the whole play because he can't read the defense fast enough when he has to turn his back to the defense to fake a hand-off. He's a backyard QB where the WRs run whatever routes they feel like and you just throw to which ever one that gets open. Didn't like the trade when it happened and I like it even less now.

Genuinely curious, who made the call on Watson?

It’s obvious what’s going on with DW. He got his guaranteed money and he really doesn’t care anymore.

And that's a legitimate question. All we know for sure is that the man who writes the checks okayed it. Otherwise we may never know for sure. But we all know if it continues on its current path, there will be fall guys that pay the toll.

Who made the call on Watson..?...JIMMY HASLAM

No doubt there were others who support the BOSS but when it comes to spending 3 first round draft picks and $230 million...only one person makes that decision in Cleveland.

Haslam is totally involved in running this franchise and everyone else is around to give their support to Jimmy

I’m not going to throw in the towel after game 2, but damn DW needs to figure it out. Last year they called it rust. Maybe this is why he needed so many massages, he needed the oil like a tin man with a permanent fight against rust. Everyone said he was elite. I’m still waiting to see even a glimmer of that.

And for the Baker Bashers, y’all and OBJ did this… enjoy it.

I'd feel so much better if Watson just looked a little "off" or whatever, but he is BAD right now. Across the board ... decision making, slow eyes, inaccuracy, bad body language, etc. He's garbage

More problems for Watson?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-evaluate-discuss-plays-involving-132419821.html

yeah, I couldn’t believe he used the face mask to push those guys into the dirt like that. There was no incidental about that and he should be fined. And quite frankly, I wouldn’t care in the slightest if he were suspended or benched for it. just plain dirty play and low character af.

I must've missed him shoving an official, and the announcers must have as well because I don't remember it at all. The first facemask was egregious (grabbed it, held, and pulled defender down to the ground). The second one was much less so (less so than when he himself was dragged down by his facemask early in the game).

If he shoved an official, he's definitely going to get some heat and deservedly so. He was extremely undisciplined most of the game.

NFL basically saying, "you can have him, Browns".

And I'm certainly not expecting you too. But a more accurate description would help. He is an NFL veteran QB with four years as starter of the Texans who has started 8 games with the Browns. He played six games last season with the Browns, had the entire off season, training camp and preseason to prepare for this season. That's where it stands as of now.

While one may have been somewhat less egregious, they were both very blatant and obvious face masks. I mean last week we heard that somehow an NFL football magically transformed into as Nerf football that absorbed water which made it heavier. At some point we have to call it for what it is.

Here is the shove…

Thanks for posting the clip.

Yeah, dudes have been sat for WAY less than that. Usually zero tolerance.