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And that's it in a nutshell. DW knows what he has to do; play better. He's done it before he isn't injured or too old. He should be able to do it.

We're going to find out if things continue to go bad. If things turn the corner, winning cures everything. But if things continue on this downward spiral, we'll find out how this plays out. Just remember, watson got so frustrated with losing in Houston he wanted control over naming the coach and GM. His frustration ended up with his refusal to play and sitting out. So the best some of you can hope for is a new and improved watson not only on a player level, but from a personality and character level as well if things continue to spiral. An indication were those two egregious face mask calls unless you don't believe those weren't an indication of anything either.

And how soon you forget where comments such as these ended up leading last season on the D side of the ball when a player said there was confusion in communication. It's odd how at that time fans knew what was being said and about who, but now suddenly they forgot about all of that. Chubb and Conklin getting hurt doesn't change the communication between the QB and the WR's/TE's.

Unless things change and the O starts producing well, we'll soon find out who ends up pointing the finger at who.

Yes, those QB's came from teams with unproven HC's. Those QB's played for teams known to be under performing. Those QB's played for teams who had signed a high priced QB that couldn't do much of anything for 8 straight games. Context means everything and you pretend it makes no difference. It just goes to show how desperate you are to make a point that simply doesn't exists here.

Stefanski did attempt to shape the offense around Watson, which looks to have meant just running more shotgun and designed runs. Pass concepts all appear to be the same as previous years. I think it was hard to tell for the coaching staff that this wouldn't work in training camp because they don't do a lot of hard practicing in training camp and the starters hardly play in preseason games. I think Stefanski started to figure out it might not be working which is why he played the starters in game 3 but it was too little too late. I think he went into the regular season crossing his fingers and hoping for the best.

The offense can produce points and guys are open. It's not a terribly creative offense. Execution is rhe main issue though. But Stefanski should have given up playcalling duties two seasons ago. It's kind of funny that he admits things are wrong with the team and replaces coaches but just not him. It's everyone else that isn't doing a good job. I think he sees it as purely an execution issue so he can't be to blame. He sees his offense working and the players just aren't doing it right. Meanwhile, he just can't seem to stack wins, no one really considers hin a great coach, and his record declines year after year. All this while having uber talented teams.

I don't think Stefanski is an ego maniac. I think he's inexperienced. There is no replacement for experience. And no one above him is forcing his hand because they are all inexperienced as well. in the grand scheme of things the best you can describe him is average to below average. I think that's the way NFL insiders, knowledgeable nfl people, hard-core fans, and casual fans across the board would describe him. Sometimes it is the obvious answer and the masses get it right.

So we are stuck with him and stuck with Watson. We'll continue to trot out 12 win talent and end up on 7-11.

That's where we are.

Unless.....


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Did you forget about this little gem? According to what the public was being told they worked together to build this offense. It was a collaborate effort, remember?

Designing a game plan to "protect" the OL makes things harder on the QB. Yet, when replacing a veteran OL with a mid round rookie in his first start and he'll be facing TJ Watt, it's a natural reaction.

Hopefully they go back to the plans they had and practiced all off-season. Monday night wasn't that, and a ridiculous amount of things went wrong that were unrelated to the scheme.

I'm at the point where if I'm Haslem, I'm hiring some private investigators to keep tabs on DW and dig up any dirt on him to try to void the contract.

Okay I'll admit after 8 games DW has been average at best. The last game was very winnable and as we all know we lost because of turnovers the first not being his fault. I still believe DW will get better. I still believe our O is better with DW than Baker because DW is a better athlete more skilled with a stronger arm that opposing DC have to prepare harder for. I have nothing against Baker. I liked him and hoped he did well here and was our QB for the next 10 years. He wasn't and we have what we have. Again, I believe DW will get better and our O will improve. JMO

Hopefully "feelings and beliefs" will win out in this case. Thus far that hasn't worked after 8 games.

Agreed bone and another issue that's not being discussed much is the PI that was not called on our last play. The ref was standing right there and didn't call it. I'm not saying we lost because of it but it should have been called and at least would have given us another few plays. You can bet it would have been called if it was the other way around!

I'm pretty sure the ref felt that was an uncatchable ball. Which it was. If he had been open by ten yards there's no way he could have caught that ball in bounds. When a ball is deemed uncatchable they don't make that call.

Maybe paying a kings ransom for all of those previous FA QB's that flopped should have been a clue. It's bad enough to fail when drafting a QB in the 1st round. But it's far worse when you pay them over 200 mil. and multiple first round picks and they fail.

If the ref deemed that ball un-catchable, why didn't he call holding? Because it certainly WAS holding at a minimum.

Whatever the reason for our problems on O we need to get it straightened out quickly. The AFC is wide open right now. The Jets lost AR, the Bengals and Chargers are 0-2, the Chiefs don't look as strong as advertised and the Bills don't either. With our D, the way it looks right now, we can play with anyone. If we lose our next 2 games because of our O I think something needs to be done and fast. We can't throw this season down the drain with the talent assembled here. A coaching change or at least how our O is run will have to be addressed. WE have 3 straight games at home. If we lose tomorrow, it's a real possibility we could be 1-4 because we have the Ravens and 49ers next. That can't happen and might kill our season. JMO

Because the ball was thrown so far out of bounds that aside from anything else that happened on that play he could not have caught that ball in bounds. I know people just love to blame the refs somehow for every loss the Browns have. Maybe if the QB had thrown the ball in a place the WR had a chance in hell of catching the ball in bounds we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I myself am not blaming the refs. We lost that game because of turnovers not to mention that 71-yard TD pass that wouldn't have happened if we didn't allow a 1st down on 3rd and 10 and a run to boot on the play just before it.

this is probably going to happen at some point honestly

It was the first time since week 2 2008 that i thought we were clearly going to win over them. I was wrong then but I was justified now. Stack the rosters. The Browns are head and shoulders more talented than the Steelers. I cannot stress this enough....they are Watt and a bunch of jags. I was so confident of the win even after the pick 6.

The issue is we have Stefanski and they have Tomlin.

Quick, someone give me a Stefanski signature win. Or better yet, if Stefanski gets fired is he getting another head coaching gig? We all know the answer to this.

We are at a severe disadvantage every single game with our head coach. The Browns are so clearly the better team tomorrow that it should for sure be a win. We will see if Stefanski can coach the team to one.

Agree with you Rish. I was talking with a buddy the other day and asked what the signature win of the Stafanski era was. He replied the playoff win against pittsburgh. So I asked him where Stefanski was during that game. And he sad: That's right, he was home in his basement

Kevin "no one does less with more" Stefanski

Rishuz I am starting to agree with you. I like KS and want him to do well but the evidence is getting stronger against him. These next 3 games may tell the story. They are all at home. I feel we should win 2 out of 3. If we lose all 3 we might have some change coming. We can't be 1-4 after 5 games. Even a 2-3 record would be a disappointment.

We've all seen passes that are un-catchable being flagged for PI over the years, especially when the NFL needed Tom Brady to get a game winning drive. Unless some of the receivers are like Mr. Fantastic and can stretch his limbs, then it shouldn't be called. However the refs need to be consistent IMO, which will never happen of course

I could probably look this up but I am too lazy, and I would have little knowledge of the way the guy coached. I am not asking to a wise guy, but who was Watson's coach at Houston when he was very successful and what type of offense did they run.

Was it different than ours? Something must have worked for him to be near MVP level stats for a year or 2.

Do you think the HC is not responsible for the play of the starting @uarterback?
How about if the HC is responsible for who the starter is at @uarterback.
How about if the HC is r' for the preparation of the orchestrator of the offense from the on field,
or for making sure they get enough practice together as a unit, I mean the thrower and the catcher,

How about, if the HC is responsible in any way,, that if , in a big game, over 4 or five years, that way too often if the game is on the line, that way too often,
they end up relying on an H Back, or a 3rd TE, or a 3rd Rb. on a crunch play, and a lot of the time apparently by design.

Is none of it Stefanski's fault???

I think you are mixing up the end of the 2nd to last drive and the very last throw. 2nd to last drive I'll give you uncatchable. Very last throw was easily catchable if the DB hadn't prevented DPJ from coming back to the ball.

heres how i look at it. Watson before he came here was a top 5 QB, led the league in passing his last year and threw for 5k yards and 70%..elite by any standard. he also threw 33 TD's and only 7 picks. Stefanski was responsible for cousins lowest output in his time in Minnesota.., He's left there and cousins has gotten better, so to me, I'm looking at the guy who seems to get the least out of good players than I am the guy who just all of a sudden got worse when he came here. We will never win anything significant with Stefanski, regardless who the QB is. Yes Watson has looked bad here, but I don't think its all on him. I'm more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt than I am Stefanski since Watson has a history of playing at a high level, stefasnki rode Kubiaks coattails to an OC job and hasn't really done much to make his own way the further away from that job. Bottom line is unless your name is Andy Reid, you should not call plays as a HC

Is it really that surprising that Cousins' numbers got better once the Vikings drafted the best WR in the league? Dalvin Cook's numbers got a lot worse post-Stefanski.

Even Andy Reid struggles when his receivers are dropping passes that go right to the defense for INTs. See Kadarius Toney week 1. It's actually kind of eerily similar to Bryant last week. The Chiefs are 1-1, too, and their O has been struggling. They also have a struggling OT. Is Andy Reid suddenly a bad coach?

If we don't look improved coming out of the bye, then maybe I start to worry about Stefanski more. We could look much better today. (Though the Titans' D isn't the best opponent for a get right game)

To me, it's too soon to jump to conclusions this season. We'll see how it goes.

I tend to agree with you. Stefnaski didn't make watson an inaccurate passer. He also didn't make watson have ball security issues.

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Remember this guy boy did he really suck.

Yes, let's get rid of Stefanski so that we can end up with the next Hue Jackson.

Bill Belichick's record in his first four seasons in Cleveland was 31-33. You all would have tried to run him off, too.

Very catchable ball, particularly if the CB is not yanking him away from the catch.

One point is hard to deny no matter what our opinions may be. If things continue to go south we should all face the reality of how things will end. That 230 million dollar guaranteed contract assures us of how things will end here. No matter if the problem ends up being watson or not.

That contract means the Browns are married to watson. There's no way out of that. So when push comes to shove when the Browns feel they need to appease the fan base, it will be Stefanski who will be the sacrificial lamb.

Thanks for that replay. It shows without a doubt there was no way the WR could have caught that ball in bounds even if he had been open.

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