DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Kevin McCarthy ousted as Speaker of the House

Because Fox and the other MAGA outlets have give them their walking orders to blame the dems. No different than every other time they screw the pooch.

Rumour has it that Trump is ineligible to be speaker of the house due to the fact that he has been indicted.

Rule 26 as I recall for the House.

Well played.

I can't know this for sure, but I think (believe) that had McCarthy had not Trashed and Backstabbed the Dems, some might have been willing to save him, But given the circumstances, why should they.

Your characterization of my previous post is as accurate as is it on my voting record.

While Republicans are foolish enough to believe their feckless leaders that this is somehow the fault of the dems, one need only ask them how many Republicans voted for Nancy Pelosi to become Speaker of the House?

I have not looked it up-but i was driving a couple of days ago and was listening to XM and they were saying that one of the many reasons the dems were going to vote Qevin out is that they wanted some rule changes-
I wonder could the repubs go and change this rule-I just looked it up-a majority vote could change a rule, but they "normally" don't do it in the middle of a session.

See my comment about the loaded gun on the table.

One of the concessions that McCarthy made to become the speaker was to change the rule that allowed a single member to put on the floor a motion to vacate. Normally that would require a majority of the majority party, it is an internal rule in the GOP Caucus called the Hastert Rule.

Gaetz and the "Chaos Caucus" knew exactly what that meant, and is should surprise no one the motion was put into place.

Now republicans are complaining about how unfair the rule change was.

Dems historically never vote for a speaker from the other party, and they did not change.

The only chance McCarthy had was to be nicer to the dems, and marginalize the Chaos Caucus. He did not do that. In fact he went back to the same old dem demonization on Sunday. And now he is out.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...8a719faa3e48b68e1f9e782c3882fa&ei=11



Here's what House rules say about Trump serving as speaker of the House — and why they might not matter

© Provided by VERIFY
On Oct. 3, Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) became the first House speaker in U.S. history to be ousted from the position.

Since he was stripped of the gavel, several House Republicans have suggested Former President Donald Trump could become speaker, since the role doesn’t have to be filled by a current member of the House of Representatives.

Rep. Troy Nehls (R-Texas) said in a post on X that he nominates Trump for the role. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) also said she would support Trump.

But some people claimed Trump’s legal challenges disqualify him.

After Trump’s name was floated as being on the short list for nomination, “Rule 26” was trending on X and Google, with claims he actually can’t be speaker because he’s under indictment.

THE QUESTION
Is it against House rules for someone under indictment to be Speaker?

THE SOURCES
Rules of the House of the Representatives, 118th Congress
House GOP conference rules of the 118th Congress
Democratic caucus rules for the 118th Congress
Nicholas Creel, assistant professor of business law and constitutional law expert at Georgia College and State University
THE ANSWER
Yes, the GOP has Rule 26(a) and the Democrats have Rule 4, both of which say the speaker can’t hold the seat while under indictment. However, these rules aren’t legally binding and aren’t always followed.

WHAT WE FOUND
Each party adopts its own set of rules at the start of each Congressional session. The GOP’s conference rule, House Rule 26(a), and the Democratic party’s caucus rule, Rule 4, each have the same rules about holding a leadership position while under indictment.

They both say a member who has been indicted for a felony that could carry a sentence of two or more years imprisonment needs to vacate their position.

The House also has rules for all members in its code of conduct that say the same thing.

Rule 13 in section 10-B reads: “A member who has been indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years’ imprisonment may be imposed should resign from any committees … and should step aside from any party caucus or conference leadership position.”

Trump’s four indictments include numerous felony charges that carry sentences of two years or longer.

But there is an important caveat to point out.

House rules aren’t like laws – they don’t come with the weight of a court; they are self-imposed and self-enforced by the House.

Violations of House rules can be investigated by the Ethics Committee, but that committee doesn’t have much power beyond issuing warning letters and sometimes fines.

More severe disciplinary actions can be taken by the House after review from the Ethics Committee, according to the Congressional Research Service.

Those actions are:

Removal: A supermajority of at least two-thirds of the House must vote to remove a seated congressperson.
Censure: A formal statement of disapproval which requires a formal, majority vote.
Reprimand: Another statement of disapproval, but is less serious than a censure. A reprimand also requires a formal vote by a majority in the House.
So, while we can VERIFY there are rules against a person under indictment holding the speakership, those rules can be ignored or changed.

In the case of Trump, if a majority of representatives vote to install him as speaker, he would be violating the current house rules, according to Nicholas Creel, assistant professor of business law and constitutional law expert at Georgia College and State University.

“The rule would apply to Trump as he would be a member of House leadership in the event he were to be elected to the Speakership. At that point, he would then be serving in violation of Republican conference rules as he is already under a felony indictment in four different jurisdictions,” Creel told VERIFY.

However, that same majority is unlikely to turn around and vote to expel Trump for violating House rules, and could even vote to change the rules.

When asked about being speaker, Trump told reporters at a New York courthouse on Oct. 4 that he will “do whatever it is to help” Republicans in the speakership race, but that he is focused “totally” on his presidential campaign.

“If I can help them during the process, I would do it. But we have some great people in the Republican Party that could do a great job as speaker,” he said.

Republicans control the majority in the House. They control the ability to change the rules. McCarthy agreed to change a rule to get the votes to be the speaker. Let's not pretend they can't or won't change the rules over this part as well if that's what they decide they wish to do.

It is silly to expect one political party to cover for the stupidity of the other.

They tend to be brutal to each other if an opening exists.

Case in point: Merrick Garland and Mitch McConnell. Then Amy Coney Barrett and Mitch McConnell.

Dems in control of Senate, Scalia passes, Garland nominated, and nothing is done until after the election.

GOP in control of Senate, RBG passes, and Barrett is fast tracked before the election.

Bottom line? Nothing changes but taxes.

You forgot death….

One more to add to the pile of silliness.

Did Republicans really expect Democrats to support the speaker of the Republican party who opened an impeachment inquiry against a Democrat President without any real evidence against the Democrat President?

McCarthy could not play checkers in a game of chess.

LOL Gopers talking about how long it would take Harris to become POTUS and wishing the death of RBG while trump was potus was typical communist thinking.

We do this s just to p you o.

Yes, that seems to be what you generally do.

What does that say about you?

Didn't you know you're not supposed to put that part in writing. They might revoke your "Democrat card."

Lmao@you if you think either perfect or me qualify for a DEMOCRAT CARD. PIT is more likely to have one of those than us, way more. We extremist leftie radicals are reduced to fringe commentary on the crazy that is today’s America. And it is our job to call out the ridiculous crazy going on across the political spectrum in the world. Why? Because were good at it.

I would actually give you some props for a lot of what you say and your intelligence and dissection of certain issues. You certainly have your headline grabbing moments, but you also have substance.

That being said, what he said about Perfect - minus the Democrat card - is pretty spot on.

Your definition of "ridiculous crazy" just happens to be far different than most peoples definition.

I bet you think this song is about you. Don’t you?

the gop card holders get their panties in a wad when we point out how ridiculous they are to think democrats should vote to keep McCrappy in charge of a dysfunctional House on the hill. Like it’s the responsible thing for Democrats to do as they openly gang up on him.

Ooh, a Carly Simon reference. Well played sir, well played.

AS if the circus wasn't bad enough already......

Trump endorses Jim Jordan for House speaker

Former President Donald Trump endorsed Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan’s bid for speaker of the House Friday.

In a post on Truth Social shortly after midnight, Trump said Jordan “will be a GREAT Speaker of the House, & has my Complete & Total Endorsement!”

Trump’s intervention into the race came after he expressed openness to temporarily serving in the role himself and, per a source familiar with discussions, considered a visit to Capitol Hill to speak with Republicans in the coming days as they weigh a new speaker.

The former president is not expected to go to Capitol Hill, a source close to Trump said Thursday night. The Messenger first reported the internal discussions on a potential trip.

Republicans are slated to hear from speaker candidates at a forum next Tuesday, setting up the next possible House-wide speaker vote on Wednesday, October 11. House Majority Leader Steve Scalise and Jordan have announced their candidacies, and others could still enter the race, but it remains to be seen whether the conference can coalesce around a viable successor to McCarthy.

In the meantime, the vacancy leaves the House essentially paralyzed.

Trump approached about serving as speaker

Trump has been approached in recent days by GOP lawmakers who have floated the idea of him serving as speaker, even on a temporary basis, one source familiar with the conversations said, and has been “intrigued” by the idea.

“They have asked me if I would take it for a short period of time for the party, until they come to a conclusion – I’m not doing it because I want to – I will do it if necessary, should they not be able to make their decision,” Trump told Fox News Digital. Trump told Fox he was focused on his presidential campaign but that he would be open to serving for a “30-, 60-, or 90-day period.”

Trump has told those with him this week that while he is “flattered” and “honored” that people have raised his name, he is not seriously entertaining the idea, according to two people who have spoken with him about Kevin McCarthy’s ouster.

Trump is “entirely focused” on running for president, the two sources said, characterizing his public posturing on the narrative that he could be elected speaker as Trump relishing the attention.

“A lot of people have been calling me about speaker. All I can say is we’ll do whatever is best for the country and the Republican Party,” Trump told reporters outside the courthouse in lower Manhattan on Wednesday during a break from his civil fraud trial.

Republican Reps. Troy Nehls of Texas and Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia had publicly said they would support Trump for the role.

If he did run, Trump would need to earn the majority of the votes of lawmakers present and voting, which could prove difficult for a former president who is polarizing even among members of the GOP conference. Rep. Mike Lawler, a GOP freshman from a swing district in New York, told CNN earlier Thursday that he doesn’t see a role for Trump in the speaker’s race.

Asked by CNN’s Jim Sciutto whether he wanted the former president to come to the Capitol, Lawler said, “I think the choice for speaker will be someone who is currently a member of Congress and I think these discussions should be among the members.”

And even if Trump were to be elected, it’s unclear whether he could get around House Republican conference rules that state any member who is indicted on felony charges that carry a prison sentence of two or more years is required to step down from leadership. Those rules are self-enforced and could be changed – but only after a speaker is elected.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/05/politics/trump-considering-capitol-hill-visit-speaker/index.html

Exactly., Dems helped McCarthy keep the government open and the next day, McCarthy trashes them on national news.

He's a worthless arse.

Really? Well, enlighten us. If we were to look at your voting record, what will it say?

Trump as speaker- he's ineligible- too many indictments- can't legally be Speaker, but President is OK. Got to love our country. GOP Jordan has no real proof or reason to impeach Biden--yet, he's the best choice for Speaker of the House. INCREDIBLE- I can't believe we've elected so many nutjobs. Their only purpose is to get reelected.

Many GOPers like their leader- Trump- what's in it for ME. We can look forward to federal shutdown- GOP ain't smart enough to know when it happens- it ensures a Democratic victory come 24. Idiots.

-Early on (~20 years ago), heavy Republican
-~15 years ago, heavy shift to towards Independant (wherever possible)
-Now that I've moved back to Ohio, my voting record is "blue'r" than it's ever been, mostly due to very limited good options.

TLDR - lots of voting for candidates that I knew probably wouldn't win, but I could least look at myself in the mirror after. Never voted for Trump (not even in that primary as I have been registered as an Ind). Voted for Biden in 2020 (felt yucky after that but Jan6 and all the info coming out of that made me feel MUCH better in my decision (anything but Trump)).

Voted against Issue 1 (amendment shenanigans) in August.

And that's the sad part of your post. Even after we cast our vote for the best candidate available to us, many of us still often times feel yucky after casting our vote. Somehow that has to change.

I'm convinced that happens because we expect/demand perfection where there can't be any. We also have a system that allows Judges and elected officials to benefit from all the graft available to them.

I mean we let them take money in the form of campaign donations, cars, trips/vacatons etc. Who are the idiots that allows citizens united to ever become a thing?

We expect/ demand perfection? Do you really think that's the problem? At this juncture mediocrity would be an improvement.

...We'd probably be better off having a politician draft lottery....if the draft pool consisted entirely of illiterate illegal immigrants.

At least they might be willing to listen to the experts and put in work.